World cup thread

CombatClaret · Post by **CombatClaret** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 3:30 pm

CrosspoolClarets wrote:Looking at all that strapping on JBG’s calf I’m not optimistic he will be fit for July, but great for him to play in the World Cup.

Compression is just basic injury treatment, doesn't mean much.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 3:33 pm

Messi proper trying to make up for that pen.

Come on iceland.

IndigoLake · Post by **IndigoLake** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 3:36 pm

Huge exaggeration there to try and claim another penalty. Argentinian style I guess.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 3:36 pm

Penalty. VAR doesnt give another. Blatant.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 3:36 pm

IndigoLake wrote:Huge exaggeration there to try and claim another penalty. Argentinian style I guess.

Defiintely penalty for me.

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 3:37 pm

That looked a trip, no VAR. Wtf?

yTib · Post by **yTib** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 3:38 pm

sick of the commentators banging on about var.

and it was never a penalty.

Claret · Post by **Claret** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 3:38 pm

ElectroClaret wrote:That looked a trip, no VAR. Wtf?

Spot on. Wtf is VAR for?

starting_11 · Post by **starting_11** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 3:38 pm

Not a penalty at all. Barely any contact, not enough to go down and if still unsure, check to see if the diving players are are splayed out as far in front of him as physically possible!

I, personally try to put my arms out to protect myself when I fall down, not to add effect to sailing through the air!!

Croydon Claret · Post by **Croydon Claret** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 3:46 pm

Get that goalkeeper signed up

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 3:46 pm

Amazing save. He saw that later than your mum's period.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 3:53 pm

Everything but score them argies....is this the chance?

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 3:54 pm

He's no ronaldo

IndigoLake · Post by **IndigoLake** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 3:55 pm

What a result for Iceland. Heroic performance, in my opinion. Appreciated their excellent organisation, grit and steel.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 3:55 pm

Ronaldo scores a hattrick in a huge world cup game against spain.

Next day Messi misses a penalty in a draw against Iceland.

Think that settles things.

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 3:56 pm

So Argies penalty claim no different to France, thus making a mockery of VAR

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 3:56 pm

IndigoLake wrote:What a result for Iceland. Heroic performance, in my opinion. Appreciated their excellent organisation, grit and steel.

Absolutely. May give england a bit of confidence too after seeing that.

Buxtonclaret · Post by **Buxtonclaret** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 3:56 pm

Well done, Iceland!
Stuck to their game brilliantly well. Played the "Burnley" way!
Had some decent chances themselves too.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 3:56 pm

Well done Iceland.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 3:57 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Absolutely. May give england a bit of confidence too after seeing that.

ecc · Post by **ecc** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 3:58 pm

What Iceland have achieved in recent years is off the scale.

Population: 334,000. Not much more than Leicester or Coventry.

Staggering.

I'm proud that one of their team is a Claret.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 4:02 pm

Penalty that was given. The panel and clattenburg say its a wrong decision. The penalty that wasnt given after VAR shoupdve been.

absolutely laughable.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 4:03 pm

yTib wrote:sick of the commentators banging on about var.

and it was never a penalty.

Yes, getting really boring now.

Paul Waine · Post by **Paul Waine** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 4:03 pm

ecc wrote:What Iceland have achieved in recent years is off the scale.

Population: 334,000. Not much more than Leicester or Coventry.

Staggering.

I'm proud that one of their team is a Claret.

or, as The Times put it "Croydon."

Now, who would we like JBG to suggest they should join him at Burnley?

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 4:03 pm

That's definitely a trip, the one that wasn't given, just showed it.

That should have gone to VAR.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 4:05 pm

Tall Paul wrote:All of those things are defined in the Laws of the Game.

All the laws of the game say is "If, in the opinion of the referee".

For example, what is deliberate handball?

No-one can say exactly what it is. That's the problem, likewise a foul. And when is a player interfering with play with regards to offside?

That's why there is nothing in the laws of the game which can define what they are.

yTib · Post by **yTib** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 4:08 pm

var and the fuss surrounding it is already a distraction.

technology should be used only in absolute incidents like whether a ball crossed a line or off side.

using it for contentious issues like fouls or handballs is ridiculous, especially when the replays are in slow motion.

another example of fifa justifying their massive wages by implementing terrible ideas.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 4:12 pm

Spijed wrote:All the laws of the game say is "If, in the opinion of the referee".

For example, what is deliberate handball?

No-one can say exactly what it is. That's the problem, likewise a foul. And when is a player interfering with play with regards to offside?

That's why there is nothing in the laws of the game which can define what they are.

HANDLING THE BALL

Handling the ball involves a deliberate act of a player making contact with the ball with the hand or arm.

The following must be considered:

the movement of the hand towards the ball (not the ball towards the hand)
the distance between the opponent and the ball (unexpected ball)
the position of the hand does not necessarily mean that there is an offence

Seems like it's defined to me.

The offside law also clearly defines when a player becomes involved in active play:

A player in an offside position at the moment the ball is played or touched* by a team-mate is only penalised on becoming involved in active play by:

interfering with play by playing or touching a ball passed or touched by a team-mate or
interfering with an opponent by:
preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the opponent’s line of vision or
challenging an opponent for the ball or
clearly attempting to play a ball which is close when this action impacts on an opponent or
making an obvious action which clearly impacts on the ability of an opponent to play the ball

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 4:12 pm

South West Claret. · Post by **South West Claret.** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 4:14 pm

The Iceland keeper didn't put a foot wrong who does he play for ?

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 4:14 pm

VAR is only used for goals, red cards, penalty decisions and cases of mistaken identity.

I think that's pretty limited. Do people think that it's being used for all tight offside decisions or all possible handballs, or something?

bobinho · Post by **bobinho** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 4:16 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Ronaldo scores a hattrick in a huge world cup game against spain.

Next day Messi misses a penalty in a draw against Iceland.

Think that settles things.

No it doesn’t.

yTib · Post by **yTib** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 4:18 pm

Tall Paul wrote:Seems like it's defined to me.

The offside law also clearly defines when a player becomes involved in active play:

they are clearly different.

the word 'deliberate' is open to a subjective interpretation by a fallible human referee whereas you are either offside or you aren't.

and charlie, a penalty can result from a contentious 'handball'.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 4:21 pm

Tall Paul wrote:Seems like it's defined to me.

"the movement of the hand towards the ball (not the ball towards the hand) "

Can you tell me if it's a penalty if the player slips on the floor but his hand goes towards the ball, like in today's game - Argentina v Iceland first half?

"the distance between the opponent and the ball (unexpected ball)"

So can you tell me at what distance a referee should give a penalty?

Where is the definition in that, other than in the opinion of the referee?

South West Claret. · Post by **South West Claret.** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 4:23 pm

South West Claret. wrote:The Iceland keeper didn't put a foot wrong who does he play for ?

He plays for Rangers.

CombatClaret · Post by **CombatClaret** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 4:25 pm

South West Claret. wrote:The Iceland keeper didn't put a foot wrong who does he play for ?

Randers FC in the Danish First Division.

South West Claret. · Post by **South West Claret.** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 4:26 pm

CombatClaret wrote:Randers FC in the Danish First Division.

Had another look and your not wrong

IndigoLake · Post by **IndigoLake** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 4:41 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Absolutely. May give england a bit of confidence too after seeing that.

I'd hope so. I've not been overly impressed with Uruguay, France or Argentina so far. It's probably a case of them still warming up but maybe they're not as strong as we think. I don't think we'll be as organised as Iceland but we could certainly take a leaf out of their book.

starting_11 · Post by **starting_11** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 4:53 pm

These big teams drawing could lead to some upsets and unlikely candidates progressing - a bit like in the Euros.

Might / could be an interesting WC.

IndigoLake · Post by **IndigoLake** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 4:54 pm

Good effort from the Peru players. Belting out that national anthem.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 4:55 pm

THAT IS AN ANTHEM AND PASSION. WOW

IndigoLake · Post by **IndigoLake** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 4:55 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:THAT IS AN ANTHEM AND PASSION. WOW

Great minds...

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 4:56 pm

IndigoLake wrote:Good effort from the Peru players. Belting out that national anthem.

It's just a song.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 4:57 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:THAT IS AN ANTHEM AND PASSION. WOW

My thoughts exactly!! Did I hear Denmark have only 700 there? Did he mean 7.000

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 4:58 pm

tim_noone wrote:My thoughts exactly!! Did I hear Denmark have only 700 there? Did he mean 7.000

7?

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 4:58 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:It's just a song.

IndigoLake · Post by **IndigoLake** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 4:58 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:It's just a song.

Correct.

yTib · Post by **yTib** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 5:00 pm

always loved hummel shirts with the chevrons.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 5:01 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:It's just a song.

Try telling my neighbours that. Had six belted out full blast already today.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 5:01 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Try telling my neighbours that. Had six belted out full blast already today.

Bloody immigrants.