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Re: Transfer Rumours Thread - NO FINANCIAL DISCUSSION

Post by It Is What It Is » Tue Jul 26, 2022 9:41 pm

I cannot understand why the transfer window is soooo long?
Should be closed by July 31 then every team knows exactly where they're at..
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Post by claretburns » Tue Jul 26, 2022 9:43 pm

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:
Tue Jul 26, 2022 4:36 pm
I had read he is on over 100k a week and was wanting a pay rise to sign a new deal, weird move as he can't be getting that much at Nice.
Nice are owned by Jim Ratcliffe, worth over 12 billion and one of Britain's richest men, I don't think wages will be an issue and as pointed out in the thread they have qualified for the Champions League as well this season. They lost their manager to PSG this summer and appointed Lucien Favre as their new manager, who managed them before and finished 3rd with them before moving to Borussia Dortmund.

Nice would be a good move for him, 35 years old and one final payday in a decent league and Champions League football.

And yes, when it comes to French football I am a Nice fan :D

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Post by Rileybobs » Tue Jul 26, 2022 9:44 pm

It Is What It Is wrote:
Tue Jul 26, 2022 9:41 pm
I cannot understand why the transfer window is soooo long?
Should be closed by July 31 then every team knows exactly where they're at..
The good news is we get to read this thread and the next few incarnations for another 5 weeks.

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Post by claretburns » Tue Jul 26, 2022 9:45 pm

It Is What It Is wrote:
Tue Jul 26, 2022 9:41 pm
I cannot understand why the transfer window is soooo long?
Should be closed by July 31 then every team knows exactly where they're at..
They did this a couple of years ago but English clubs complained it got us out of sync with European clubs and if a late bid came in and they lost a player the deadline had already gone and they couldn't get a replacement.

The hope was Europe would follow us and close the window before the season but they didn't and so we changed back to match them.
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Post by pushpinpussy » Wed Jul 27, 2022 5:55 am

there is only one person to blame for the football transfer mess we find ourselves in. step forward Jean-Marc Bosman.

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Post by gandhisflipflop » Wed Jul 27, 2022 8:11 am

pushpinpussy wrote:
Wed Jul 27, 2022 5:55 am
there is only one person to blame for the football transfer mess we find ourselves in. step forward Jean-Marc Bosman.
Thing is, it’s a bit like the Jimmy Hill scenario with the abolition of the maximum wage, if it hadn’t had been him it would have been someone else especially in the ultra capitalist part of the world we live in.

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Post by claretandy » Wed Jul 27, 2022 8:27 am

Bosscat wrote:
Tue Jul 26, 2022 8:31 pm
Wages RV nobody is saying its because yhey are vying for the same position ... £680k a week for Vinegar ffs
It's 680k a year, not a week.

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Post by Spijed » Wed Jul 27, 2022 8:38 am

A fair chunk of the season will have been played by the time the window closes.

That's a bit of a worry if we don't get off to a good start.

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Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Wed Jul 27, 2022 8:40 am

Spijed wrote:
Wed Jul 27, 2022 8:38 am
A fair chunk of the season will have been played by the time the window closes.

That's a bit of a worry if we don't get off to a good start.
7 games out of 46

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Post by winsomeyen » Wed Jul 27, 2022 8:42 am

Potentially 21 points.

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Post by warksclaret » Wed Jul 27, 2022 8:50 am

Spijed wrote:
Wed Jul 27, 2022 8:38 am
A fair chunk of the season will have been played by the time the window closes.

That's a bit of a worry if we don't get off to a good start.
Fearing a bad start to a season, will not be something new for Burnley fans. I did every year we were in the PL. I am less fearing the start now, than I was on the day we were relegated in May

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Post by Belgianclaret » Wed Jul 27, 2022 8:57 am

pushpinpussy wrote:
Wed Jul 27, 2022 5:55 am
there is only one person to blame for the football transfer mess we find ourselves in. step forward Jean-Marc Bosman.
Bosman was all about freedom of movement and the sole right of clubs being able to hold players to randsom and to sell them whenever it suited them.

Nowadays players do indeed have more rights, but it's up to the clubs to ensure that the essential contractual clauses are foreseen whereby their own rights are protected in case a player wants to move, simple as.

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Post by Woodleyclaret » Wed Jul 27, 2022 8:58 am

I agree on the need for a good start ,that's why Max should play in every game till he leaves
His goals will help us get off to a flyer
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Post by Belgianclaret » Wed Jul 27, 2022 9:01 am

I agree on Cornet: should be played, not only for his qualities but also as a bargaining tool towards other clubs. Shows that we are not so desperate to get rid of him.
Actually, it would suit the player himself as it keeps him match fit in case the move goes ahead.
Unless he is refusing to play, which I haven't heard.
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Post by nyclaret » Wed Jul 27, 2022 9:04 am

warksclaret wrote:
Wed Jul 27, 2022 8:50 am
Fearing a bad start to a season, will not be something new for Burnley fans. I did every year we were in the PL. I am less fearing the start now, than I was on the day we were relegated in May
and who could forget the 2008/09 start to the season!

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Post by RVclaret » Wed Jul 27, 2022 9:06 am

Nixon doesn’t seem to think we are ‘in that one’ when asked about Delap

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Post by NewClaret » Wed Jul 27, 2022 9:09 am

Agree with the messages about Cornet. Nearly a fifth of the season is played in August. If we have a talent like him available to us we should be playing him.

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Post by NewClaret » Wed Jul 27, 2022 9:10 am

RVclaret wrote:
Wed Jul 27, 2022 9:06 am
Nixon doesn’t seem to think we are ‘in that one’ when asked about Delap
That’s a shame. In which case I’d love to know who we are ‘in for’.

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Post by RVclaret » Wed Jul 27, 2022 9:12 am

NewClaret wrote:
Wed Jul 27, 2022 9:10 am
That’s a shame. In which case I’d love to know who we are ‘in for’.
Yes quite odd there’s literally zero links, we can only assume we are working on things in the background and they are being kept secret, there’s no chance Kompany is happy with just Jay and Barnes

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Post by DukeOfBar » Wed Jul 27, 2022 9:17 am

not signed anyone for a while...... should I panic...??? ;-)

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Post by Steve1956 » Wed Jul 27, 2022 9:21 am

Has Vydra left the club now,he would rip this division if he was fit and got decent service....one of the better options that have been mentioned on here,I know he was injured but he's definitely worth a punt..a proven goalscorer at this level

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Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Wed Jul 27, 2022 9:23 am

Steve1956 wrote:
Wed Jul 27, 2022 9:21 am
Has Vydra left the club now,he would rip this division if he was fit and got decent service....one of the better options that have been mentioned on here,I know he was injured but he's definitely worth a punt..a proven goalscorer at this level
Injured and also out of contract, been offered a deal but hasn't signed as yet

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Post by gawthorpe_view » Wed Jul 27, 2022 9:23 am

DukeOfBar wrote:
Wed Jul 27, 2022 9:17 am
not signed anyone for a while...... should I panic...??? ;-)
Why not?, it's a nice day for it.


8-)

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Post by warksclaret » Wed Jul 27, 2022 9:25 am

Steve1956 wrote:
Wed Jul 27, 2022 9:21 am
Has Vydra left the club now,he would rip this division if he was fit and got decent service....one of the better options that have been mentioned on here,I know he was injured but he's definitely worth a punt..a proven goalscorer at this level
Think he is doing his rehab with us, but I think he has stalled on a two year contract offered, presumably on reduced terms.I think he is also being paid while injured, with BFC claiming on the insurance for these payments. Thats how I understand it

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Post by Steve1956 » Wed Jul 27, 2022 9:26 am

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:
Wed Jul 27, 2022 9:23 am
Injured and also out of contract, been offered a deal but hasn't signed as yet
Suppose he's waiting for other offers then,we didn't treat this guy that well as a club,never given an extended run..big man little man has served us well in recent years I'd love him to sign

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Post by Steve1956 » Wed Jul 27, 2022 9:28 am

What ever happened to Nakhi Wells?

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Post by alwaysaclaret » Wed Jul 27, 2022 9:32 am

NewClaret wrote:
Wed Jul 27, 2022 9:09 am
Agree with the messages about Cornet. Nearly a fifth of the season is played in August. If we have a talent like him available to us we should be playing him.
I'm not sure where people are getting this idea from that if he's still at the club he won't be playing, where the heck has it come from, has something been published somewhere that he won't be in or around the team selection, serious question, I'm just curious.

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Post by Steve1956 » Wed Jul 27, 2022 9:34 am

alwaysaclaret wrote:
Wed Jul 27, 2022 9:32 am
I'm not sure where people are getting this idea from that if he's still at the club he won't be playing, where the heck has it come from, has something been published somewhere that he won't be in or around the team selection, serious question, I'm just curious.
If we are paying him...we surely will be playing him...its that simple.

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Post by RVclaret » Wed Jul 27, 2022 9:34 am

Steve1956 wrote:
Wed Jul 27, 2022 9:34 am
If we a paying him...we surely will be playing him...its that simple.
Why’s he not played a second of pre season then? Is he superman and doesn’t require match fitness?

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Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Wed Jul 27, 2022 9:35 am

Steve1956 wrote:
Wed Jul 27, 2022 9:34 am
If we are paying him...we surely will be playing him...its that simple.
If that was the case surely he would have featured in pre season?

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Post by Steve1956 » Wed Jul 27, 2022 9:39 am

RVclaret wrote:
Wed Jul 27, 2022 9:34 am
Why’s he not played a second of pre season then? Is he superman and doesn’t require match fitness?
Aye...probably

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Post by SalouClaret » Wed Jul 27, 2022 9:39 am

RVclaret wrote:
Wed Jul 27, 2022 9:34 am
Why’s he not played a second of pre season then? Is he superman and doesn’t require match fitness?

Who needs match fitness when you always get subbed after 60 minutes anyway ;)



I agree though. Can't see him playing against Huddersfield unless we've had 3 or 4 other behind closed doors friendlies that we don't know about.

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Post by Ric_C » Wed Jul 27, 2022 9:43 am

I think Nixon said a while ago that we were "spinning a lot of plates", so I think there is most definitely a lot of stuff going on in the background.

Still think there will be a couple of more outgoings and probably 3-4 more incomings before the window closes, but a lot of it depends on who we sell obviously.

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Post by Steve1956 » Wed Jul 27, 2022 9:53 am

I tend to swerve these threads....
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Post by pushpinpussy » Wed Jul 27, 2022 10:06 am

Belgianclaret wrote:
Wed Jul 27, 2022 8:57 am
Bosman was all about freedom of movement and the sole right of clubs being able to hold players to randsom and to sell them whenever it suited them.

Nowadays players do indeed have more rights, but it's up to the clubs to ensure that the essential contractual clauses are foreseen whereby their own rights are protected in case a player wants to move, simple as.

What Bosman also did was put the entire transfer system under scrutiny from the EC

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Post by tiger76 » Wed Jul 27, 2022 10:10 am

Steve1956 wrote:
Wed Jul 27, 2022 9:28 am
What ever happened to Nakhi Wells?
Still at Bristol City, after his 2 loan spells at QPR, but he bagged 3 in 32 last season, so I doubt he'd be the answer to our lack of goals.

Of course you just know he'll likely bag against us, as many of our ex players have done over the decades.

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Post by Steve1956 » Wed Jul 27, 2022 10:12 am

tiger76 wrote:
Wed Jul 27, 2022 10:10 am
Still at Bristol City, after his 2 loan spells at QPR, but he bagged 3 in 32 last season, so I doubt he'd be the answer to our lack of goals.

Of course you just know he'll likely bag against us, as many of our ex players have done over the decades.
Don't get me wrong Tiger...I wasn't wanting him back :lol:
He just seemed to have disappeared

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Post by RVclaret » Wed Jul 27, 2022 10:17 am

Nixon reckon we have a ‘few possibilities’ as striker targets and Ugbo ‘seems to be’ one of them.

Though think I read Ugbo was going to Troyes?

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Post by Rowls » Wed Jul 27, 2022 10:25 am

Bosman was an EU ruling.

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Post by dsr » Wed Jul 27, 2022 10:26 am

Bosscat wrote:
Tue Jul 26, 2022 8:31 pm
Wages RV nobody is saying its because yhey are vying for the same position ... £680k a week for Vinegar ffs
Other reports say £680k per year, £13kper week.

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Post by Lancasterclaret » Wed Jul 27, 2022 11:03 am

Rowls wrote:
Wed Jul 27, 2022 10:25 am
Bosman was an EU ruling.
Bosman would never have happened if football had been sensible about the contract policy of players
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Post by dsr » Wed Jul 27, 2022 11:07 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:
Wed Jul 27, 2022 11:03 am
Bosman would never have happened if football had been sensible about the contract policy of players
That's true. If only UEFA (Lennart Johanssen in charge) had leaned on the Belgian FA to tell them that their policy of no freedom of contract was wrong, and they should adopt the UK version or something very like it, then Bosman would never have happened.

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Post by Tricky Trevor » Wed Jul 27, 2022 11:12 am

I’ve posted before transfer fees are easily solved.
Make them annual salary x 20, this could be adjusted down the divisions. If an offer comes in it is then up to the parent club to increase the salary or accept the transfer. All transfers should be paid in full at month end.

Far too much accountant juggling going on with the finances of clubs, as we suffered for last seasons with Everton being allowed to get away with legal corruption.

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Post by clerkenwell.claret » Wed Jul 27, 2022 11:24 am

Tricky Trevor.

That would be rather tricky, no?

20x factor would suggest the “value” of our prem league players in the region of £20 to 75M. Surely not a viable situation for BFC to buy any player.

The idea is interesting. Perhaps a different multiplier?

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Post by Zlatan » Wed Jul 27, 2022 11:29 am

Steve1956 wrote:
Wed Jul 27, 2022 9:53 am
I tend to swerve these threads....FB_IMG_1658766258345.jpg
The capitalisation of You’re irritated me

;)

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Post by NewClaret » Wed Jul 27, 2022 11:29 am

alwaysaclaret wrote:
Wed Jul 27, 2022 9:32 am
I'm not sure where people are getting this idea from that if he's still at the club he won't be playing, where the heck has it come from, has something been published somewhere that he won't be in or around the team selection, serious question, I'm just curious.
Think it’s speculation because we’ve not seen him in pre-season & some fans views that we won’t play him for fear of injury.

I can see the last point but the counter argument is that he doesn’t play, nobody pays the fee, we’re left with an unfit player & potentially reduce chances of a good start to the season. Or he doesn’t play & his value is reduced because he’s not being utilised.

I’m hoping we grow some balls and attack the league early doors.

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Post by pushpinpussy » Wed Jul 27, 2022 11:32 am

Rowls wrote:
Wed Jul 27, 2022 10:25 am
Bosman was an EU ruling.
that is correct. however, Bosman cited the 1957 Treaty of Rome. the Treaty of Rome. brought about the creation of the European Economic Community (EEC), the best known of the European Communities (EC). therefore, Bosman challenged this under Article 85 of the EC Treaty.

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Post by IanMcL » Wed Jul 27, 2022 11:52 am

Time we signed some more players, before ours are nicked and we are ultra short!

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Post by claretlegend » Wed Jul 27, 2022 12:01 pm

McNeil to Everton is one i've been told today. Sources can't be revealed but it's apparently reliable. We'll see...

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Post by Oldparkwood » Wed Jul 27, 2022 12:03 pm

claretlegend wrote:
Wed Jul 27, 2022 12:01 pm
McNeil to Everton is one i've been told today. Sources can't be revealed but it's apparently reliable. We'll see...
Yep its true and happening

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