Summer 2021 Transfer Window Rumours - Links - Discussion

[Gordaleman]

I'm stunned.

Don't know why? Guess Sean didn't offer him an omlette?

[Bigvince]

I won’t be surprised if cornet goes to hertha, such an exotic signing would be so unburnley like

[Gordaleman]

I won’t be surprised if cornet goes to hertha, such an exotic signing would be so unburnley like

I don't think he's that exotic at £8.5 million. That's about half our record fee and we only got Brady for that.

[randomclaret2]

No worries, Lennon incoming

[BenWickes]

Knight is a central midfielder, do we just guess player positions now or confuse central players with wide players due to Dyche using Brownhill and Hendrick there previously?

Some on here want Tarks in midfield and think Cork's a winger based on one good cross at Fulham so...

[ClaretTony]

On Knight he's due back around October time, so although not ideal, he'd at least provide us with a viable option on the right, and he should be reasonably cheap given Derby's well documented problems.

The Knight link has been ongoing for some time, probably even before the last January window. The usual link on Irish players suggested an offer could be going in, long before his injury, but heard nothing since. He's clearly a player who interests us.

[Tall Paul]

Looks like Hertha Berlin are firm favourites for Cornet's signature. The fee just needs tweaking up a bit.

https://bulinews.com/news/9470/report-h ... wel-cornet

That's the same link posted yesterday. The much maligned Nixon said it doesn't rule us out by any means. Nothing has changed since then.

[Hedontplayforyou]

Or has it?

[Rileybobs]

I was wondering when the 'it's a good window if we keep hold of our best players' posts were going to start.

Somehow you missed the half of his post which reads ’ If a couple of starters arrive this week or next I'd take that all day long.’

[RVclaret]

It makes no sense to me that we are interested in signing Cornet but still haven't placed a bid.

This is around 3 or 4 weeks after Nixon first reported interest. Danny Ings to Villa happened in one day, the entire transfer start to finish. If you want someone that bad then make it happen, particularly if you know there is a rival (Hertha) who are keen too. Admittedly Villa had the finances to push that bit extra to get the Ings deal done but it just shows they CAN be done.

If we were that keen that bids surely would have been in by now, which makes me think we aren't even that interested.

[Rileybobs]

It makes no sense to me that we are interested in signing Cornet but still haven't placed a bid.

This is around 3 or 4 weeks after Nixon first reported interest. Danny Ings to Villa happened in one day, the entire transfer start to finish. If you want someone that bad then make it happen, particularly if you know there is a rival (Hertha) who are keen too. Admittedly Villa had the finances to push that bit extra to get the Ings deal done but it just shows they CAN be done.

If we were that keen that bids surely would have been in by now, which makes me think we aren't even that interested.

You think the entire transfer of Ings was done in one day? Wow.

[RicardoMontalban]

Danny Ings to Villa happened in one day, the entire transfer start to finish.

Almost certainly not the case.

[Jakubclaret]

Almost certainly not the case.

It wasn’t far off, if 2 clubs & the player have the willing a transfer can be completed very quickly it’s only a medical & paperwork.

[AlargeClaret]

Morning everyone - Happy Friday.

Excited/nervous. Big international friendly tomorrow then a week till it all kicks off.

My gut feeling is that the frenzy is about to commence with transfers in general.

Americans do like a big "ticker tape Hurrah!" start to a new season so I am optimistic on incomings and contracts.

Possibly the most optimistic post I’ve ever read on here ! We can but hope ! Personally I’d be desperately disappointed if we don’t land a quality right sided player ,just 1 .

[dibraidio]

On the "forum officiel de l'olympique Lyonnais" thread about Cornet there are 422 posts and only 3 mention Burnley. It appears that unlike us they have nobody who is "in the know". There is a lot of talk about him having square feet. Not being a proper left back or left winger. Not being good enough for them and not getting any interest from any clubs in France despite OL pushing to sell him. He seems to be a bit of a marmite player.

The German newspaper BILD is saying that Hertha need to sell their Brazilian forward Matheus Cunha to finance the deal. Apparently there's a lot of interest in the forward who should feature in the Olympic gold medal match for his country at the weekend. If that's the case I'd expect this story to drag on for at least another week if not two before we see a conclusion.

[beddie]

Possibly the most optimistic post I’ve ever read on here ! We can but hope ! Personally I’d be desperately disappointed if we don’t land a quality right sided player ,just 1 .

I think there will have been offers and we’re simply waiting, the problem is that players/agents often wait until the last minute before agreeing anything, which in previous years have left us with no plan B and of course then the usual excuses come out. With SD not having signed a new deal yet I really hope that we get at least two quality signings in the next few weeks and maybe even a good loan player. I also think Mr Pace and co will be working really hard to support SD and get some more quality into the group. Time will tell. Everything crossed.

[AfloatinClaret]

... if 2 clubs & the player have the willing a transfer can be completed very quickly...

And there's the rub. It's long been my suspicion that we as a club can and perhaps often do manage to negotiate the transfer fee with the selling club, but that our salary structure ensures the players and their agents are the stumbling block to getting a quick/early completion of transfers. I don't believe it's the salary so much as the automatic and significant 'pay-cut if relegated' that we apparently (and IMO very sensibly) insist is included in all player contracts; the players would rather not share the risk of the team's, or indeed their own poor performance, so prefer to hang on to see if someone will offer them a sweeter deal.
Presumably Nathan Collins' transfer went through early/quickly because he was prepared to carry his share of that EPL survival responsibility; on which basis I like him already.

[Chester Perry]

And there's the rub. It's long been my suspicion that we as a club can and perhaps often do manage to negotiate the transfer fee with the selling club, but that our salary structure ensures the players and their agents are the stumbling block to getting a quick/early completion of transfers. I don't believe it's the salary so much as the automatic and significant 'pay-cut if relegated' that we apparently (and IMO very sensibly) insist is included in all player contracts; the players would rather not share the risk of the team's, or indeed their own poor performance, so prefer to hang on to see if someone will offer them a sweeter deal.
Presumably Nathan Collins' transfer went through early/quickly because he was prepared to carry his share of that EPL survival responsibility; on which basis I like him already.

There is a likelihood that at least 10 clubs in the division carry relegation clauses in their contracts, possibly more. Particularly after a number of clubs have been stung by not having them in the last few years.

Stumbling points for our club are more likely to be - the proportion of potential wages that is bonus based (Dyche said it was around 30% during lockdown) and we are led to believe that bonuses are heavily geared to appearances (Dyche likes a settled team and it is difficult to break through to the team)

[MACCA]

And there's the rub. It's long been my suspicion that we as a club can and perhaps often do manage to negotiate the transfer fee with the selling club, but that our salary structure ensures the players and their agents are the stumbling block to getting a quick/early completion of transfers. I don't believe it's the salary so much as the automatic and significant 'pay-cut if relegated' that we apparently (and IMO very sensibly) insist is included in all player contracts; the players would rather not share the risk of the team's, or indeed their own poor performance, so prefer to hang on to see if someone will offer them a sweeter deal.
Presumably Nathan Collins' transfer went through early/quickly because he was prepared to carry his share of that EPL survival responsibility; on which basis I like him already.

Good post, but regards the last bit regards Collins, it's far easier to dangle the carrot of premier league football , with the hike in wages from the championship immediately, and SHOULD we go down it reduces by 50%

He will have probably only ( term used lightly) been on between 5-10k a week at Stoke, we can come in and say theres 35k per week lad but if we go down it goes down to 17.5k, however if we stay up you share a pot of bonus money with the squad.
Even at say 35k per week he is only on bottom end squad player wages but it's a massive leap for him from his Stoke psy packet, so the financial lure is certainly there.

We struggle when signing from other premier league clubs, as more often than not they're already on 40-60k and therefore we cant stretch much more than what theyre currently on if at all, then we want to add in the relegation clause where wages drop 50% should we go down.

Progressive players will probably think that's a poor deal and they can get far better wages and more security elsewhere.
That's the reason we struggle to beat other Premier league clubs to players signatures, and we only generally get players from fellow premier league clubs, should A. No one else wants them, or B. They're nearing the end of their career and it's going south so Burnleys better than dropping down a division, it's a happy medium, decent wages but same league, where the work load will probably be less in terms of games so body can cope.
Oviously for every Bardsley and Pieters who are great examples if good, cheap ageing players that work out well and contribute still, theres a Stephen's or Walter's, but that's the risk, you can never fully tell, as clubs dont often want to let go fit, healthy good pros, who will regularly perform at a good standard.

[Steve1956]

Anything happening?

Thought not....have a nice day guys don't get to stressed there's always tomorrow! Sithee.

[HahaYeah]

Hertha need to sell Leeds target Matheus Cunha to sign Maxwel Cornet.

https://tbrfootball.com/report-hertha-n ... el-cornet/

[RVclaret]

You think the entire transfer of Ings was done in one day? Wow.

Sam Wallace (Telegraph): ‘The Danny Ings fee to Aston Villa is £25m plus £5m in add-ons. Contract and further details here on a whirlwind signing negotiated in a day to beat the Jack Grealish to Manchester City announcement’

Article: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/20 ... uthampton/

[Newcastleclaret93]

I know Leeds are after him but that Cunha at Hertha Berlin is a hell of a player. Would be awesome if we could get him.

[Guller Bull]

"Oooh let me think - Leeds or Burnley???? - didn't take long. Bllx to them dirty Yarkie scumbags I'm awf a la Turf!"

[Rileybobs]

Sam Wallace (Telegraph): ‘The Danny Ings fee to Aston Villa is £25m plus £5m in add-ons. Contract and further details here on a whirlwind signing negotiated in a day to beat the Jack Grealish to Manchester City announcement’

Article: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/20 ... uthampton/

’ The two clubs are understood to have been in contact from Sunday onwards over the deal for Ings which was concluded swiftly, with the 29-year-old now joining the highest earners at Villa on a three-year deal with an extra one-year as an option.’

[RVclaret]

’ The two clubs are understood to have been in contact from Sunday onwards over the deal for Ings which was concluded swiftly, with the 29-year-old now joining the highest earners at Villa on a three-year deal with an extra one-year as an option.’

Not far off a day then with it being announced on Tuesday! Still very quick to wrap up a transfer, so quick that no major reporters caught onto it! Point being we seem to have been 'interested' in Cornet for almost 4 weeks now (well, that was when the interest was reported) but seemingly haven't even put in a bid.

[MACCA]

Not far off a day then with it being announced on Tuesday! Still very quick to wrap up a transfer, so quick that no major reporters caught onto it! Point being we seem to have been 'interested' in Cornet for almost 4 weeks now (well, that was when the interest was reported) but seemingly haven't even put in a bid.

Depends if you mean formal bid.

We may have enquired and been quite away off their valuation, we may have said we think a fee around X figure is what we wouod think is reasonable, so when you want to talk let us know.

There's really no point constructing formal bids when you're miles away from.their valuation, and have no intentions of meeting it, that's a total waste of everyones time.

It appears that they NEED to sell, so why appear desperate, just leave the ball in their court whilst you crack on looking at other areas

[leightonjameslegend]

Not far off a day then with it being announced on Tuesday! Still very quick to wrap up a transfer, so quick that no major reporters caught onto it! Point being we seem to have been 'interested' in Cornet for almost 4 weeks now (well, that was when the interest was reported) but seemingly haven't even put in a bid.

It happened quickly because they met his release clause. No further negotiations with the club are needed. Villa had to tell Grealish and then he made the decision. Completely different from ourselves. We are discussing figures, then looking at ways to get the best value transfer for the club with the best wages. It takes longer and is more complicated. City, Man Utd, Chelsea just make an offer a club can't refuse and that is why it moves far quicker!

[Mattster]

Depends if you mean formal bid.

We may have enquired and been quite away off their valuation, we may have said we think a fee around X figure is what we wouod think is reasonable, so when you want to talk let us know.

There's really no point constructing formal bids when you're miles away from.their valuation, and have no intentions of meeting it, that's a total waste of everyones time.

It appears that they NEED to sell, so why appear desperate, just leave the ball in their court whilst you crack on looking at other areas

Reading between the lines of all the speculation I think this is the case. It will prove to be inspired if we end up landing the players we want for the fees we're willing to pay as the window closes. The big risk is obviously that someone just steps in and pays more whilst we wait or nips in when we do eventually have a bid accepted. I do hope we have a list of a number targets in this kind of situation because it's inevitable at least one of those will get snapped up whilst we wait.

Any signing we make at this stage is never going straight into the starting lineup vs Brighton so in some ways it makes no big difference for us to wait it out.

[jojomk1]

"I think we can support him in the way he would like to be supported and we can look at that future together and say that future is a very long-lasting one.
"The proof is in the pudding and we will need to deliver on that but I'm very confident that when we put our heads together we will be fine."
Alan Pace May 2021

And I presume Sean is still ok with that
Recent interviews show no rolling of sarcastic eyes and shouts of "I've no idea what my budget is"
All looking fine and dandy at the moment

[tiger76]

Knight is a central midfielder, do we just guess player positions now or confuse central players with wide players due to Dyche using Brownhill and Hendrick there previously?

Primarily yes he is, but he has been deployed on the right for Derby several times according to this statto website, https://www.footballcritic.com/jason-kn ... ns/207049

And either way he'd add strength in depth to our midfield options when fit, which I do admit could be a potential issue, it's bad enough we've got Dale Stephens in our ranks, who's on big wages and has barely played for an entire season, so if we're serious about Knight, which we appear to be, I hope our medical team carry out a through examination before we commit to anything.

[alwaysaclaret]

Anything happening?

Thought not....have a nice day guys don't get to stressed there's always tomorrow! Sithee.

We'll just have to assume Mr dyche has forgotten how to sign attacking players that are potentially ready to compete for the first 11

[NewClaret]

We'll just have to assume Mr dyche has forgotten how to sign attacking players that are potentially ready to compete for the first 11

That or Mr Pace is taking transfer tips from Mr Garlick!!!

[randomclaret2]

That or Mr Pace is taking transfer tips from Mr Garlick!!!

Mr Garlick's experience in the transfer market proving invaluable to the new Board members

[ClaretAndJew]

To be fair, we've spent on average £30 million per window since being in the PL.

[randomclaret2]

To be fair, we've spent on average £30 million per window since being in the PL.

Nett ?

[Newcastleclaret93]

To be fair, we've spent on average £30 million per window since being in the PL.

Yes isn’t it 186m over the last five seasons.

[randomclaret2]

Yes isn’t it 186m over the last five seasons.

Thats isnt Nett though is it ?

[superdimitri]

Manchester and Liverpool is 30 minutes away from Burnley.... Cornet isn't gonna live up Stoops estate is he?

The players usually live somewhere on the outskirts. With traffic you're looking at about 50min from somewhere like Worseley and 1h 30 if you live in Alderely Edge.

If you live in Berlin the experience for players living nearby will be more like players who play for Manchester or Liverpool clubs. They will live nearer where they train, and its much easier to visit the city due to the proximity of their abodes in relation to where they work and go out.

I can't believe I'm having to explain some of the reasons why someone would prefer to go to Berlin over Burnley

[warksclaret]

Yes isn’t it 186m over the last five seasons.

Just shows how active we were in the first four years or so since returning to the PL. The last couple of years dropped right off

[KRBFC]

The players usually live somewhere on the outskirts. With traffic you're looking at about 50min from somewhere like Worseley and 1h 30 if you live in Alderely Edge.

If you live in Berlin the experience for players living nearby will be more like players who play for Manchester or Liverpool clubs. They will live nearer where they train, and its much easier to visit the city due to the proximity of their abodes in relation to where they work and go out.

I can't believe I'm having to explain some of the reasons why someone would prefer to go to Berlin over Burnley

but the players will live nearer Manchester than Burnley if they play for Burnley, so I don't see what the issue is? with the way city traffic can be, I'm not sure it's really that quick to travel. I don't see an issue with travelling 10-30 minutes to work, I've never heard that as a reason for players not signing.

[minnieclaret]

Well I read yesterday that we had only spent £179m in our history.

[Woodleyclaret]

We are playing in the toughest league in the World some overseas players dont fancy the challenge that's a problem.

[jackmiggins]

Can we knock off the discussions please? 99% of us are not interested in the views of the minority with axes to grind. Page after page of pure dross!!!

[warksclaret]

Can we knock off the discussions please? 99% of us are not interested in the views of the minority with axes to grind. Page after page of pure dross!!!

Totally agree- we are averaging 47 pages per first team signing this window

[Guller Bull]

Can we knock off the discussions please? 99% of us are not interested in the views of the minority with axes to grind. Page after page of pure dross!!!

Wow - what a disappointment this post was . I read the name of the poster Jack Migginns and thought "Here we go, some informed knowledge at last!!!"

Turned out to be just another whinger.

[jackmiggins]

Sorry to be a disappointment. I'm at the Turf tomorrow, are you?

[Taffy on the wing]

ALL IS DROSS!

[Guller Bull]

Sorry to be a disappointment. I'm at the Turf tomorrow, are you?

Nope but to maintain superfan status I will rush home from West Lothian and purchase a £5 video pass. Have a lovely day on the Turf.

[bodge]

I'm surprised you were not more verbose in your response to the boy miggins Guller, your fan credentials have been called out in public !!