Transfer Rumours Thread - NO FINANCIAL DISCUSSION

[burnleymik]

That's a big mistake unless we get silly money for Mcneil. He should be one of our key players. I thought a good season for him this year and his stock rises dramatically. Poor decision unless he is forcing the move and given the way some of our fans treat him at times last season, I wouldn't blame him.

[burnley007]

We are going to struggle.

Too many 'new' additions at the club in 1 go. It'll take months for the team, management, tactics, coaches all to gel.

Should we just accept a season of mid-table Championship obscurity?

Those who were hugely opposed to our new American owners are starting to look right unfortunately, everything is for sale.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Think you're mixing me up with RVClaret. I've tried to be positive regarding our dealings this summer, and I do think we've done some good work, but it's tipped over now.

Fair enough.

I think your usually one of the more positive posters. It’s a bit concerning reading your thoughts tbh. As I know I’m always a miserable prick

[Claret Alfie]

How can you keep your best players and get the best prices for them when the buying club know we are desperate to sell. I’m not sure why the club have made it so obvious.

[quoonbeatz]

Everybody: can't see mcneil/cornet staying.

Also everybody: can't believe the club are selling mcneil/cornet.

We're in the championship. We have players who are premier league players. Premier league clubs want them and they want to play in the Premier league.

The replacements won't be as good because we're in the championship. Really disappinting but this was always likely whenevwr we got relegated. Such is life.

The important thing is what we do with the money. This is a big rebuild. I can't quite understand how there were people who didn't realise this.

[Woodleyclaret]

Personally I feel Dwight has regressed over the past year.He failed to step up and battle when we needed him to.But saying that he is talented but inconsistent and maybe it's time to cash in on him

[Lancasterclaret]

Can’t believe some fans are still defending this transfer policy, well I can when the same ones seemingly defend the club for losing it’s academy status. Sure the sale of McNeil and Cornet will no doubt release some funds for replacements - but don’t kid yourselves that they will be anywhere near the same quality as those who are leaving.

This limp acceptance that those players ‘don’t want to play in the Championship so what can we do’ is pathetic. I can’t remember seeing an exodus like this, and certainly not one that’s ended well.

The only thing I'm taking from this is that the club are cost cutting now, rather than attempting to do it when the parachute payments have run out, and that (bizarrely I know) gives me more long term comfort for the security of the club

Course, our promotion chances do kinda depend on VK and a brand new team gelling after a very short pre-season and somehow starting off well

[claretonthecoast1882]

Everybody: can't see mcneil/cornet staying.

Also everybody: can't believe the club are selling mcneil/cornet.

We're in the championship. We have players who are premier league players. Premier league clubs want them and they want to play in the Premier league.

The replacements won't be as good because we're in the championship. Really disappinting but this was always likely whenevwr we got relegated. Such is life.

The important thing is what we do with the money. This is a big rebuild. I can't quite understand how there were people who didn't realise this.

I am more amazed that some seem surprised by this. Then again we had people telling us that our players wouldn't get in other Prem teams due to our poor recruitment maybe this is a way to save face

[jedi_master]

Terrible news. Cornet, sure - McNeil too?

You lose a few players when you go down, we have done on our last occasion (Ings was out of contract, Trippier had a release clause, and Shackell threw his toys out of the pram - the time before it we sold Fletcher, and held on to the rest I think). The difference is, every single player we have this time is clearly up for sale - it’s not a question of wanting to hold on to them, I firmly believe we have actively hawked our wares hoping for buyers. Draw your own conclusions as to why that probably is (as I am not allowed to discuss the obvious reason why on this thread).

Look at Watford who have still got Sarr and Dennis, Norwich who (to my knowledge) still have the likes of Pukki, Aarons etc - not even a whiff of either of these two relegated clubs doing anything other than attempting to keep their proven quality to return at the first time of asking.

The message we have sent out this summer is one laced with a defeatist attitude. It says outwardly that we cannot physically afford to hold on to our players due to our ownership model, so please buy them so that we can sign younger, inexperienced types for low fees that we HOPE can fill those holes. We are now no different squad wise in profile to the rest of the Championship as we’ve lost the lions share of what quality separated us from this league.

I have liked the profile of our signings but the key caveat was that was with the knowledge they would be sprinkled in amongst the experienced players we have left. To lose such talent as Pope, Tarkowski, Mee, McNeil, Collins, Cornet etc and replace with players from MK Dons, Oxford United and the Manchester City youth team is a worrying trend. We all knew a large proportion of those would leave (certainly Tarky, Pope and Cornet were my expectations) but the culling has stretched too far and I am now firmly expecting Taylor and Roberts to be gone in the very near future too (would explain Maatsen signing to not sit on the bench, as Chelsea wouldn’t agree to that nor the player choosing us ahead of Feyenoord - as well as the interest in the right back from Blackpool when we already have Lowton as backup there).

I won’t make comment on whether we can still be in the promotion hunt or not after this news, as that is entirely dependant on what we do with all of the money we have brought in and are about to bring in. We need three first choice players to slot straight into the first eleven (striker, attacking midfielder and central defender) and then plenty of additions behind that as we have almost nothing in the forward/wing/attacking midfield line now. If we are to assume McNeil and Cornet are gone, then we have: Barnes, Rodriguez, Twine (injured?) and Gudmundsson (injured undoubtedly!!!!). We probably need two strikers and two wingers/attacking midfielders in those positions alone now.

I fully realise posting this will probably see me lynched as this forum continues to be Policed by a Gestapo like element that dive on any suggestion of negativity, but there it is. I hope not, as these are genuine concerns raised in a non-provocative manner by me. I want no arguments, but by all means disagree in the right way! Regardless, I’ll still be at Huddersfield on Friday night supporting whatever ‘First 11’ we have available to us.

[Zlatan]

Can see mcneil really losing his way at Everton with their fans.

I think it will ruin him.

[claretandy]

90 mins suggest that the fee is 20m
https://www.90min.com/posts/everton-in- ... ght-mcneil

[RVclaret]

Ryan Taylor

‘Everton not only Premier League club targeting Dwight McNeil but talks now underway. He is eager to return to top-flight & has been waiting patiently for offers, despite positive pre-season under Vincent Kompany. Winger has been reassured he can leave at right price.’

[Rileybobs]

You don't need to look so far back. Here is Bournemouth from 2 seasons ago. Look at that incoming spend too!

Interesting, they finished in the play offs that season too. Not sure how the remainder of their squad compares to ours but regardless, what we're doing doesn't feel right to me.

[claretonthecoast1882]

Ryan Taylor

‘Everton not only Premier League club targeting Dwight McNeil but talks now underway. He is eager to return to top-flight & has been waiting patiently for offers, despite positive pre-season under Vincent Kompany. Winger has been reassured he can leave at right price.’

Imagine if we kept him though, think how amazing he would be for us if we blocked his path of going elsewhere.

[Spijed]

Everybody: can't see mcneil/cornet staying.

Also everybody: can't believe the club are selling mcneil/cornet.

We're in the championship. We have players who are premier league players. Premier league clubs want them and they want to play in the Premier league.

The replacements won't be as good because we're in the championship. Really disappinting but this was always likely whenevwr we got relegated. Such is life.

The important thing is what we do with the money. This is a big rebuild. I can't quite understand how there were people who didn't realise this.

But we are now far more likely to get relegated than promoted if this continues.

[Rileybobs]

Would you keep players who want to move on ?
The players that we have sold do you expect to replace for like quality wise ? Kompany said recently on Collins he was irreplaceable quality wise in this division.

If the answer is yes to either then you were always going to be surprised. If the answer is yes to both then that is just mad

Would I keep players who want to move on? Well yes, within reason. All players want to move for more money, that includes all of our players who aren't being sold. The only reason they aren't being sold is that they can't find a better deal than they have at Burnley.

No, I wasn't expecting anyone to be replaced for the same quality, that's why I think the number of players we are letting leave is getting beyond ridiculous.

[jedi_master]

I think it will ruin him.

Agreed on that.

[claretonthecoast1882]

But we are now far more likely to get relegated than promoted if this continues.

Burnley to be promoted 11/4
Burnley to win league 9/1
Burnley top 6 finish Evs
Burnley to be relegated 20/1

[FeedTheArf]

I know we seem to love a clause, but I’m not buying the Cornet clause being cancelled because it’s been made public.

Surely it would just be in our interest to leak the clause to get more money for the player?

[Tricky Trevor]

Imagine if we kept him though, think how amazing he would be for us if we blocked his path of going elsewhere.

He played the majority of last season as though he wanted out so I can’t see how stopping him going now would improve his game. Time to move him on and get somebody who wants the shirt in.

[CatonClaret]

Wait for the meltdown when people hear where Roberts is off to.

Go on, I’ll bite, what have you heard?

[RVclaret]

If the 20m fee (inc bonus’) being reported is accurate then i think that’s as good we could have hoped for. Good thing with this deal is we don’t owe any club any money for him and there’s no sell on clause to pay out!

[Vegas Claret]

Kompany has seen enough of Dwight in training, maybe he's not that impressed with his one footed dependence and thinks he can do better ?

[UpTheClaretsFCBK]

Alan Pace has resigned himself to the fact we're not going up this season. McNeil has a one year + one year option left on his contract.

If we don't go up this season, he leaves for probably less than 5m next summer.

Due to the massive loans, we can't afford to gamble on success.

[claretonthecoast1882]

Go on, I’ll bite, what have you heard?

Stockport

[Rileybobs]

The only thing I'm taking from this is that the club are cost cutting now, rather than attempting to do it when the parachute payments have run out, and that (bizarrely I know) gives me more long term comfort for the security of the club

Course, our promotion chances do kinda depend on VK and a brand new team gelling after a very short pre-season and somehow starting off well

Yes, I will take comfort in the fact that the debt will be reduced and we won't be carrying a stonking wage bill - but I'm not sure how we can realistically aim to get back into the PL with this approach. And the best way to get back into a financially sound position is to return to the Premier League.

Who knows, we may sell Cornet and McNeil and bring in someone who bags us 25 goals next season and we'll be laughing. But from what I've seen so far I expect us to use some of the funds to strengthen 3 or 4 positions with young lower league players.

[jedi_master]

He played the majority of last season as though he wanted out so I can’t see how stopping him going now would improve his game. Time to move him on and get somebody who wants the shirt in.

I think this is really harsh.

He didn’t have a good season (not many did) but he was the only player who was happy receiving the ball under pressure and trying to make something happen. There was nothing going on ahead of him with any permutation of Wood, Barnes, Rodriguez or Vydra so he was constantly lacking in options. In a better team he would thrive.

Not at Everton though - bad move for him in my eyes and a bad manager too.

[jedi_master]

If the 20m fee (inc bonus’) being reported is accurate then i think that’s as good we could have hoped for. Good thing with this deal is we don’t owe any club any money for him and there’s no sell on clause to pay out!

£20m is a good price for McNeil comparative to our other outgoings. I am gutted to lose him though, really am. I think I was a bigger fan of his than most though.

[taio]

Kompany has seen enough of Dwight in training, maybe he's not that impressed with his one footed dependence and thinks he can do better ?

I doubt that. More likely I guess that Kompany thinks that McNeil would be a key player in the Championship but he recognises the different constraints and conditions we are not operating within and he is not the decision maker when it comes to player sales.

[Top Claret]

Not to bothered about losing McNeil for the right fee, 20 million can't be sniffed at. As others have said reality needs to dawn and our quality players want to stay in the premier League and demand a move.

As far as Dwight is concerned his time is up at Burnley and a move is right for all concerned.

Good luck Dwight

[Rileybobs]

If the 20m fee (inc bonus’) being reported is accurate then i think that’s as good we could have hoped for. Good thing with this deal is we don’t owe any club any money for him and there’s no sell on clause to pay out!

I think £20m would be a fantastic deal for us. The same way I thought £20m was a fantastic deal for Collins. In isolation these are no-brainers - but we seem to be selling anything with a pulse. I agree with the policy that everyone has a price, but I can't see how selling all of these players in one transfer window can have a positive ending.

[quoonbeatz]

But we are now far more likely to get relegated than promoted if this continues.

This isn't a fact.

[distortiondave]

It's a spijed fact.

[claret2018]

Bite Everton’s hand off if they offer £20m.

He’s done less than nothing for 18 months, I wouldn’t be starting him this season even if he stayed.

[Tricky Trevor]

I think this is really harsh.

He didn’t have a good season (not many did) but he was the only player who was happy receiving the ball under pressure and trying to make something happen. There was nothing going on ahead of him with any permutation of Wood, Barnes, Rodriguez or Vydra so he was constantly lacking in options. In a better team he would thrive.

Not at Everton though - bad move for him in my eyes and a bad manager too.

Sorry to disagree Jedi but he made his name as a tricky winger getting excellent crosses into dangerous areas. Until very late season, when he did improve, he failed to get outside his marker. Constantly looking to pass inside or hold it up for Charlie to go past him. I have a feeling the PL had sussed his lack of pace and lack of a quality right foot.

[davideyresleftear]

I'm very worried about Dwight leaving, and here's why.

He got 0 goals and 1 assist last year. If we sell him, we then have the job of finding 0 goals and 1 assist from elsewhere. Even if we get 20m, is that enough cash to find such a player? If not, who else in the team can step up and provide 1 assist?

There's also Charlie Taylor to consider. With him and Dwight, the left flank is a potent attacking outlet for us. Charlie got 0 goals and 3 assists last year. If Dwight goes, will Charlie be able to forge such a deadly partnership with whoever takes his place?

[jedi_master]

Let’s assume he has gone, along with Cornet, for an estimated £40m combined (top side and no doubt in instalments). Who are we buying to replace them? We need four players in the attacking areas in for that by my book.

I think it’s highly likely Callum O’Hare and Manuel Benson are going to be two of them? Which would be at an outlay of around £13m total?

[taio]

£20m would be a good price although we wouldn't know what proportion is add-ons and how likely those additions are to materialise. Looking at such a sale in isolation doesn't seem unreasonable but it needs to be considered alongside the broader changes. And it's very hard to know how the overall changes will land until we are well into the season but as many have said before it feels high risk.

[claretonthecoast1882]

I think £20m would be a fantastic deal for us. The same way I thought £20m was a fantastic deal for Collins. In isolation these are no-brainers - but we seem to be selling anything with a pulse. I agree with the policy that everyone has a price, but I can't see how selling all of these players in one transfer window can have a positive ending.

Plus we could get him back for less than half in 12 months time once the everton faithful have spent a year hammering it. View it as a 10m loan for free from Everton

[jedi_master]

Sorry to disagree Jedi but he made his name as a tricky winger getting excellent crosses into dangerous areas. Until very late season, when he did improve, he failed to get outside his marker. Constantly looking to pass inside or hold it up for Charlie to go past him. I have a feeling the PL had sussed his lack of pace and lack of a quality right foot.

That’s fair enough Trevor, I know I’m in the minority r.e McNeil these days.

[ksrclaret]

I doubt that. More likely I guess that Kompany thinks that McNeil would be a key player in the Championship but he recognises the different constraints and conditions we are not operating within and he is not the decision maker when it comes to player sales.

I do wonder just what Kompany is thinking right now.

Maybe he knew in advance that anyone who was the subject of an offer would be sold, but it surely makes his job of achieving success with us one hell of a lot harder.

[Lancasterclaret]

Yes, I will take comfort in the fact that the debt will be reduced and we won't be carrying a stonking wage bill - but I'm not sure how we can realistically aim to get back into the PL with this approach. And the best way to get back into a financially sound position is to return to the Premier League.

Who knows, we may sell Cornet and McNeil and bring in someone who bags us 25 goals next season and we'll be laughing. But from what I've seen so far I expect us to use some of the funds to strengthen 3 or 4 positions with young lower league players.

I think the rationale will be that we can probably compete with decent signings and gambles coming off for at least three or four seasons, using a combination of parachute money and income from players sold, and that we go up during that period

Course, I've got no idea if we are servicing the debt, trying to reduce the debt, adding to the debt, or what

Relegation was always going to be tough for us and I suppose its actually quite a blessing that we have no players on premier league wages who no one wants because they are crap, and that is something that isn't the case for practically anyone else who has ever been relegated

[UpTheClaretsFCBK]

If wet get a combined 40m for Cornet and Dwight then you can't really say it's bad business. That puts us 60m up for the season. Problem is we don't look like spending half of that, and VK / Pace think we need another 7 or 8 players.

Where are these magical mystery players coming from at fees of far below 3.5 - 4m?

[quoonbeatz]

McNeil is a player we should have been building a team around long term but we did the opposite, for various reasons, didnt build a team and relied far too heavily on him as our only creative outlet.

[RVclaret]

I do wonder just what Kompany is thinking right now.

Maybe he knew in advance that anyone who was the subject of an offer would be sold, but it surely makes his job of achieving success with us one hell of a lot harder.

Kompany was very much aware of these potential / likely sales.

[jojomk1]

If Everton can't afford the cash for Cornet how can they afford to bid for McNeil who has to be valued for at least the same

There was talk of deals for Cornet (Fulham and Notts F) with £5m loan fee and buying next year for £20m

Providing the £20m is guaranteed whether clubs in question stay up or not that seems reasonable business

Same for McNeil

[matttheclaret]

Let’s assume he has gone, along with Cornet, for an estimated £40m combined (top side and no doubt in instalments). Who are we buying to replace them? We need four players in the attacking areas in for that by my book.

I think it’s highly likely Callum O’Hare and Manuel Benson are going to be two of them? Which would be at an outlay of around £13m total?

I know it doesn't necessarily mean much, but it would be a bit of a backtrack from Coventry if they sold O'Hare now. They seem pretty adamant he isn't going and I don't think they were too impressed with our approach - Robins was pretty critical of Kompany

[jedi_master]

I do wonder just what Kompany is thinking right now.

Maybe he knew in advance that anyone who was the subject of an offer would be sold, but it surely makes his job of achieving success with us one hell of a lot harder.

Kompany said he was happy with the maximum transparency of the clubs situation post relegation. He spoke in a way that danced around the topic of our debt obligations but made clear he understood our footing (that was my takeaway).

[taio]

I do wonder just what Kompany is thinking right now.

Maybe he knew in advance that anyone who was the subject of an offer would be sold, but it surely makes his job of achieving success with us one hell of a lot harder.

I'm the same wondering what Kompany makes of it all.

I trust there was full transparency about the likelihood of significant outgoings and loss of our best players before Kompany agreed to take the position.

[CrosspoolClarets]

I’d settle for excitement and challenging at this point, we were always up against it with the sheer level of money the club has to pay out after the takeover, as a fan with no financial stake in it if I’m entertained that will have to do.

Of course if Kompany is the new messiah and gets us up against the odds (like Coyle and Dyche) the finances can turn on their heads again.

So I’m a bit blase about this McNeil and Cornet news. As long as we buy someone like O’Hare to replace.