Bringing More Asians to the Turf

3putt · Post by **3putt** » Fri Jan 06, 2017 1:36 pm

sclaret92 wrote:Was only pointing out that despite burnleys high population of ethnic minorities, not many are seen at the turf. Polish and Asians are included in the same bracket.

No there aren't many ethnic minorities seen on the Turf, but the young men/women who you presumably like to see more of on the matches will be mostly of Pakistan origin. In the main they will have be born and bred here as will their parents and therefore have had the same opportunity to become interested and fans of BFC as any other young people.

I believe anyone who wishes to become a fan of Burnley FC irrespective of their ethnicity should be be equally welcomed, I just don't see a reason why any particular groups should be targeted as potential fans.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Fri Jan 06, 2017 1:38 pm

aggi wrote: The best way of doing it is probably the easiest in terms of what current fans want, and that is by staying in the premier league and being successful. The more we keep that up, the more new fans will view watching Burnley as an attractive proposition.

Will they be labelled as glory hunters too?

Just for a bit of equality

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Fri Jan 06, 2017 1:49 pm

Give them a hi-vis and £50 a game and there'll be rakes on t'Turf.

gandhisflipflop · Post by **gandhisflipflop** » Fri Jan 06, 2017 2:02 pm

BFCmaj wrote:My wife is of Asian heritage and used to come on a lot of games but got fed up with the amount if racist remarks. As a result she doesn't come on any more and is reluctant to let any of our 3 children go as well. I must admit, I still notice things being said and it embarrasses me.

I sat with my friend and his gf for 7 years in jhl block 2 and she was half Pakistani (I don't want to use the term Asian as it really grates on me) and not one word was said ever.

3putt · Post by **3putt** » Fri Jan 06, 2017 2:20 pm

Good to hear gandhisflipflop. I'd be surprised if there had been any hostility directed towards her.

DALLYBFC · Post by **DALLYBFC** » Fri Jan 06, 2017 3:12 pm

From what l know muslims can't be seen to mix with people who indulge in alcohol gambling, neither can they associate or participate with anything to do with games of chance. Sure l had a ****** up conversation with an asian guy in the bookies while l was playing on the roulette. I may be wrong but l may be right. If there are any muslims out there who could confirm or refute my past conversation it would be greatly appreciated.

BleedingClaret · Post by **BleedingClaret** » Fri Jan 06, 2017 3:21 pm

They are Man Utd fans

Walton · Post by **Walton** » Fri Jan 06, 2017 3:23 pm

From what I know christians can't be on the pill, use condoms, have abortions etc. Certainly know of it happening. I may be wrong but I may be right.
If there are any christians out there who could confirm or refute my past conversations it would be greatly appreciated.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Fri Jan 06, 2017 3:29 pm

From what I know Agnostics can't eat rice pudding with a blob of strawberry jam in it, but can eat it neat.

Cirrus_Minor · Post by **Cirrus_Minor** » Fri Jan 06, 2017 4:11 pm

When the players came back to town for a bus top tour after the play off final in 2009 I was stood next to about 50+ Indian people. They were men, women and children, dressed up in claret and blue, jumping, cheering, clapping and generally going mad as the paraded players passed us. They certainly were not 'passive' viewers just going to see what the fuss is about, they were the real deal and keen to see their heroes. I have never seen these before or after and came to the conclusion that they must be armchair fans rather than supporters who visited the Turf.

No idea why they never go to an actual match to see the team but it occurred to me then that there is an potential seam of supporters there when the root cause is identified.

bfccrazy · Post by **bfccrazy** » Fri Jan 06, 2017 4:21 pm

I am of "asian"/Pakistani heritage and have been going to matches regularly for over 20 years (it's probably me that MACCA has seen in the CFS). I've noticed over time that the racist remarks etc have died down but it still goes on and could be quite hostile/uncomfortable for a lot of people.

I'll always try to shut up anybody making the remarks and they normally do shut up but find a lot of people just don't want to be "that guy" causing a fuss if they hear it.

I take my nephew on now and he absolutely loves it..... My dad/dads mates took me on when I was a kid but too many parents won't be in that category of taking their kids on from my background as it may be seen as an unnecessary expense.

On the thing with the club having initiatives for kids from this background - The community side of the club has an initiative with Daneshouse FC at the minute and if you go past Prairie tonight you'll see about 60/70 kids (95% of them of pakistani heritage) playing under what is a Burnley FC/Prem initiative.

Times are changing and I feel the more success the club has and the more views of people from both sides of the fence change the more people from other cultures/backgrounds will get onto games.

Pearcey · Post by **Pearcey** » Fri Jan 06, 2017 4:23 pm

I'll be honest and say, as long as we sell tickets I couldn't care less who buys them. As long as they're Clarets and enjoy watching. Does it really matter what ethnic group they're from?

BFCmaj · Post by **BFCmaj** » Fri Jan 06, 2017 4:39 pm

fatboy47 wrote:Best stay in the house if it's a perfect world you're after.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Fri Jan 06, 2017 4:41 pm

Who really wants a bunch of plastic fans anyway, the atmosphere at the Turf has progressively got worse since Coyle left.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Fri Jan 06, 2017 4:41 pm

Btw this topic is racist

duncandisorderly · Post by **duncandisorderly** » Fri Jan 06, 2017 4:42 pm

The longer we stay in the premier league and the greater success we have the more fans from other sources will attend.

It's not rocket surgery.

claretdom · Post by **claretdom** » Fri Jan 06, 2017 4:43 pm

The premier league can attract anyone. Even krbfc claims to have been on this season.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Fri Jan 06, 2017 4:47 pm

claretdom wrote:The premier league can attract anyone. Even krbfc claims to have been on this season.

and the football was better under Cotterill with Mike Duff and Gifton up top

lucs86 · Post by **lucs86** » Fri Jan 06, 2017 5:00 pm

3putt wrote:No there aren't many ethnic minorities seen on the Turf, but the young men/women who you presumably like to see more of on the matches will be mostly of Pakistan origin. In the main they will have be born and bred here as will their parents and therefore have had the same opportunity to become interested and fans of BFC as any other young people.

I believe anyone who wishes to become a fan of Burnley FC irrespective of their ethnicity should be be equally welcomed, I just don't see a reason why any particular groups should be targeted as potential fans.

I agree, all should be welcomed, but if we're talking about the small population of Burnley and getting more people from minority backgrounds involved there's not that many groups to viably target. There wouldn't be much point targetting our South American community, for example. If we want more people from minority backgrounds involved, for Burnley it inevitably means we'll be mostly targetting the South Asian, Pakistani community.

bfccrazy · Post by **bfccrazy** » Fri Jan 06, 2017 5:01 pm

KRBFC wrote:Who really wants a bunch of plastic fans anyway, the atmosphere at the Turf has progressively got worse since Coyle left.

If you think having asian fans is going to ruin the atmosphere - Come and sit with me next week.

Saxoman · Post by **Saxoman** » Fri Jan 06, 2017 5:04 pm

Rovers once set up a prayer room in the Blackburn end PRE venkys..

Saxoman · Post by **Saxoman** » Fri Jan 06, 2017 5:05 pm

KRBFC wrote:Who really wants a bunch of plastic fans anyway, the atmosphere at the Turf has progressively got worse since Coyle left.

I'll swap you for dyche?

bartons baggage · Post by **bartons baggage** » Fri Jan 06, 2017 5:09 pm

bfccrazy wrote:If you think having asian fans is going to ruin the atmosphere - Come and sit with me next week.

The guy is a complete moron,he thinks he's controversial,but in reality he's just an attention seeking Weapon.

Saxoman · Post by **Saxoman** » Fri Jan 06, 2017 5:12 pm

Sean dyches claret and blue army(in an Asian accent).. Funny..

bfccrazy · Post by **bfccrazy** » Fri Jan 06, 2017 5:13 pm

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZI4dFVrTKT8

Here's a young fan of asian heritage after we beat Blackburn.

*just for you Saxo*

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Fri Jan 06, 2017 5:39 pm

bfccrazy wrote:If you think having asian fans is going to ruin the atmosphere - Come and sit with me next week.

Not just Asian fans, not even all Asian fans. I'm talking about new glory seeker fans of all races

NRC · Post by **NRC** » Fri Jan 06, 2017 5:57 pm

FFS KRBFC

any "fan" has a start point. Mine was being taken on to the games to stop getting ****** as a 14 year old in a pub that accommodated me. I had no previous connection with the town of Burnley, nor the club. I've not once said anything derogatory about you on this forum as that's not my nature, but jeez, that comment takes the biscuit.

#3putt - I think you are interchanging race with ethnicity. If someone of the Asian race was a fan, they would be displaying English ethnicity. Ethnicity is about the application of culture and societal mores. It's dynamic, whereas rce is a given and cannot be changed. Just sayin.....

bfccrazy · Post by **bfccrazy** » Fri Jan 06, 2017 6:07 pm

KRBFC wrote:Not just Asian fans, not even all Asian fans. I'm talking about new glory seeker fans of all races

My nephew has been to games over a few years here and there - But he has only really "supported" us throught a promotion and in the Prem this year ...... Should I stop taking him on as he is following the glory of the club?

Who ties your laces for you in the morning?

lakesclaret · Post by **lakesclaret** » Fri Jan 06, 2017 6:08 pm

I personally don't think the club or the FA do nearly enough to encourage all creeds colours and especially sexuality into the game. Couldn't we have an initiative " operation strap on" where we give away free wigs makeup,comedy breasts, stockings and suspenders etc so transgender fans will feel more welcome? I feel there's a real lack of " gender bend" on match days

LS7 · Post by **LS7** » Fri Jan 06, 2017 6:29 pm

Perhaps a key point here is whether you regard Burnley FC as a football club or an integral part of the community and of the town's national image. If the latter then an OTT effort to reach out to the Asian community is an obligation, recognising the deep historic barriers to attending. I remember the BNP rousers on the Longside.

Saxoman · Post by **Saxoman** » Fri Jan 06, 2017 6:34 pm

I remember the derby at the turf in 2000 and what your fans sang loudly at our fans about our towns residents..

Your just a town full of..

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Fri Jan 06, 2017 6:39 pm

Saxoman wrote:I remember the derby at the turf in 2000 and what your fans sang loudly at our fans about our towns residents..

Your just a town full of..

Isn't there a larger Asian community in Blackburn then there is in Burnley?

Chobulous · Post by **Chobulous** » Fri Jan 06, 2017 6:42 pm

If you want to attract a particular group to a particular activity you first have to get them interested. If BFC were, for instance, to sponsor football leagues for school kids in all of the local areas, providing coaching sessions at all local schools at primary school level then that might be a start

Saxoman · Post by **Saxoman** » Fri Jan 06, 2017 6:42 pm

Sidney1st wrote:Isn't there a larger Asian community in Blackburn then there is in Burnley?

Don't know, don't care really. Me and pals did find the chant a little ironic..

bfccrazy · Post by **bfccrazy** » Fri Jan 06, 2017 7:11 pm

Chobulous wrote:If you want to attract a particular group to a particular activity you first have to get them interested. If BFC were, for instance, to sponsor football leagues for school kids in all of the local areas, providing coaching sessions at all local schools at primary school level then that might be a start

They already do this - the biggest boundary will be cost of attending a match. A lot of the people who will pay to watch matches would rather pay the extra few hundred pounds to go and watch United etc.... They have not had stories of the Longside/winning the league pumped into them as a youngster ...... What they have heard from their dads is how a lot of skin heads/NF would go on football matches.

The attitude is changing but won't happen overnight - possibly it'll take another 10/15 years til the kids growing up nowadays brave a cold afternoon on the turf and then start taking their kids.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Fri Jan 06, 2017 7:32 pm

The issue there with paying extra to watch the likes of utd is the long waiting list for a ST and the difficulty there can be to get a match day ticket full stop.

Some people just don't want to watch Burnley play, not glamorous enough like I've already said.

BFCmaj · Post by **BFCmaj** » Fri Jan 06, 2017 7:33 pm

gandhisflipflop wrote:I sat with my friend and his gf for 7 years in jhl block 2 and she was half Pakistani (I don't want to use the term Asian as it really grates on me) and not one word was said ever.

I can only speak from personal experience.

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Fri Jan 06, 2017 7:35 pm

There are deep divisions within the general community, that's why they don't go on.
The Turf isn't suddenly going to be the unifying point in East Lancs culture.
It is seen still as a predominantly white working class game , decades of attatchment through families have ensured this type of support when we were just industrialised northern towns. There has to be connection with the team, this is normally from dads to sons. The asian community simply don't have that assocoation with the club.

Indecisive · Post by **Indecisive** » Fri Jan 06, 2017 8:51 pm

DALLYBFC wrote:From what l know muslims can't be seen to mix with people who indulge in alcohol gambling, neither can they associate or participate with anything to do with games of chance. Sure l had a ****** up conversation with an asian guy in the bookies while l was playing on the roulette. I may be wrong but l may be right. If there are any muslims out there who could confirm or refute my past conversation it would be greatly appreciated.

Not sure whether I'm missing a joke here??

Btw bit of advice for any one who hears anything racist. If you feel you might aggravate a situation by challenging it... Make a note of seat number and pass on the details of the offender anonymously. Sure the club will have to act on anything like this.

CombatClaret · Post by **CombatClaret** » Fri Jan 06, 2017 9:19 pm

Blackrod wrote:The cultural differences, attractions to different things such as bling, not buying into the tradition and history and the fact they will not spend the money all come into it.

DALLYBFC wrote:From what l know muslims can't be seen to mix with people who indulge in alcohol gambling, neither can they associate or participate with anything to do with games of chance. Sure l had a ****** up conversation with an asian guy in the bookies while l was playing on the roulette. I may be wrong but l may be right. If there are any muslims out there who could confirm or refute my past conversation it would be greatly appreciated.

Proper face palm stuff on here.

I rented a room in a flat with two Muslim brothers from Pakistand for a few months between longer term lets in London. Completely fine with sports and happy to chat films (they had poor taste though; Transformers) while I had a beer in my hand. The only concession I made was they politey asked I not fry pork in the house which wasn't an issue as there was a great Cafe round the corner when I needed a bacon fix. They attended mosque on Friday and prayed 5 times daily but by any other standard they were just two lads trying to get by.

I can see why people feel threatened though, these two had far more charm, intellect and humor than a few on here.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Fri Jan 06, 2017 9:42 pm

bfccrazy wrote:My nephew has been to games over a few years here and there - But he has only really "supported" us throught a promotion and in the Prem this year ...... Should I stop taking him on as he is following the glory of the club?

Who ties your laces for you in the morning?

I think you're getting all defensive and taking my post out of context. I'm not talking about Asians.
I think it's kinda obvious I'm talking about adults, little kids obviously can't attend by themselves.
I don't want the Turf filled with plastic glory seeking foreigners (adults not kids being taken by an adult) and it's not because they're foreign either, nothing to do with race/religion/nationality more to do with being plastic.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Fri Jan 06, 2017 9:45 pm

Blackrod wrote:More people from different thing backgrounds than ever before at Turf Moor which is a good thing but seems noticeable everytime we are on the Premier League.
You will never tap into a large scale additional support. The cultural differences, attractions to different things such as bling, not buying into the tradition and history and the fact they will not spend the money all come into it.

I think you're wrong about asians not spending money, have you seen them in the town centre during the boxing day sales? they don't hold back

Saxoman · Post by **Saxoman** » Fri Jan 06, 2017 9:46 pm

KRBFC wrote:I think you're wrong about asians not spending money, have you seen them in the town centre during the boxing day sales? they don't hold back

A lot buy to sell on at a profit.

Stalbansclaret · Post by **Stalbansclaret** » Fri Jan 06, 2017 10:27 pm

"When the players came back to town for a bus top tour after the play off final in 2009 I was stood next to about 50+ Indian people. They were men, women and children, dressed up in claret and blue, jumping, cheering, clapping and generally going mad as the paraded players passed us."

Was this the much-talked of Singh-ing Section I wonder ?

PS.....There has to be massive potential to increase our fan base by engaging with the Asian community. I tend to agree that the best way of doing this is by staying in the Premier League which gives a great base for community initiatives .

Garnerssoap · Post by **Garnerssoap** » Fri Jan 06, 2017 11:49 pm

Sign a jap international. Those girls with the tight tops might come back

HunterST_BFC · Post by **HunterST_BFC** » Sat Jan 07, 2017 12:19 am

I find many of the posts on this thread give the reason.

Many bad reasons sadly that enforce stereotypes about Burnley people.

Many post are totally unaware it is actually 2017.

It's not hard to see terms and generalisations used are wrong today. FFS
(Look above re "Jap" for a starter).

JohnMac · Post by **JohnMac** » Sat Jan 07, 2017 12:35 am

DALLYBFC wrote:From what l know muslims can't be seen to mix with people who indulge in alcohol gambling, neither can they associate or participate with anything to do with games of chance. Sure l had a ****** up conversation with an asian guy in the bookies while l was playing on the roulette. I may be wrong but l may be right. If there are any muslims out there who could confirm or refute my past conversation it would be greatly appreciated.

A lot of the dodgy stuff regarding Cricket betting originates in predominately Muslim countries like Pakistan I thought.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Sat Jan 07, 2017 12:38 am

HunterST_BFC wrote:(Look above re "Jap" for a starter).

And I'm sure I've seen references to "Aussies" on here as well.

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Sat Jan 07, 2017 12:43 am

its seemingly okay to mock the mexicans and french on talk sport, idiot advertisers using voiceover berks to parody them for profit.
god forbid they try it with a Pakistani acent.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Sat Jan 07, 2017 1:08 am

HunterST_BFC wrote:I find many of the posts on this thread give the reason.

Many bad reasons sadly that enforce stereotypes about Burnley people.

Many post are totally unaware it is actually 2017.

It's not hard to see terms and generalisations used are wrong today. FFS
(Look above re "Jap" for a starter).

Good grief.

Anyone got any more cotton wool to wrap around this delicate soul?