Bamford on time on Burnley

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 2:44 pm

I've got all emotional reading that so I'm just off to sit in my car for a bit. Poor Patrick.

JimmyRobbo · Post by **JimmyRobbo** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 2:45 pm

Good luck to him. He was never a fit here. Not too dissimilar to a few other signing we've made over recent seasons.

Not all signings can sensibly work out. No real blame attached to him, Chelski or ourselves.

Don't go blarting to the press though, lad! Have some pride!

HuncoatClaret · Post by **HuncoatClaret** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 2:45 pm

HollandsPies Comes from a stinkingly rich wider family. Nottingham High School? Bet he looks down his nose at everybody.
His Grandad founded JCB, the B stands for Bamford. I'd read before that he went to a Public School. I met him once and he did come across as a really good lad.

Giftonsnoidea · Post by **Giftonsnoidea** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 3:58 pm

Was an incredible waste of 30k per week if reports on his wage are to be believed.

The guy is a lightweight, looks around 16 in stature, no muscle on him and only really scored in Championship for Boro.

File under Chalobah, we should stop getting loans from Chelsea, esp when we don't play them for more than half an hour in the whole time their here....

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 4:02 pm

HollandsPies wrote:Comes from a stinkingly rich wider family. Nottingham High School? Bet he looks down his nose at everybody.

What a strange assumption, a small part of his family live in Burnley and are Burnley fans.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 4:04 pm

Chalobah is in all fairness actually making appearances for Chelsea first team, despite many people, including myself, never thinking it would happen.

Bamford - Dyche clearly didn't see enough in him to warrant picking him over our main strikers, but such a whiny article doesn't cast him in a good light.
We get its tough trying to do well at work, but we don't cry about it in the car...

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 4:09 pm

Sidney1st wrote:Chalobah is in all fairness actually making appearances for Chelsea first team, despite many people, including myself, never thinking it would happen.

Bamford - Dyche clearly didn't see enough in him to warrant picking him over our main strikers, but such a whiny article doesn't cast him in a good light.
We get its tough trying to do well at work, but we don't cry about it in the car...

It must be sh*t for the lad though, desperate to succeed, left Chelsea in search of a chance and we pick him up with absolutely no intention of ever giving him game time. It's bad on our part IMO, picking up a young player on loan with no intention of using him, stalling his progress to selfishly make sure we had 4 fit strikers. Subbing him on with 60 seconds to go is laughable and I'm not surprised he wanted out asap.

ClaretEngineer · Post by **ClaretEngineer** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 4:10 pm

HuncoatClaret wrote:HollandsPies Comes from a stinkingly rich wider family. Nottingham High School? Bet he looks down his nose at everybody.
His Grandad founded JCB, the B stands for Bamford. I'd read before that he went to a Public School. I met him once and he did come across as a really good lad.

I never even made that correlation, despite pacing JC Bamfords small outfit on the A50 quite frequently...

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 4:13 pm

KRBFC wrote:It must be sh*t for the lad though, desperate to succeed, left Chelsea in search of a chance and we pick him up with absolutely no intention of ever giving him game time. It's bad on our part IMO, picking up a young player on loan with no intention of using him, stalling his progress to selfishly make sure we had 4 fit strikers. Subbing him on with 60 seconds to go is laughable and I'm not surprised he wanted out asap.

3rd loan where he was hardly used though, he walked out of Palace when he could see it wasn't working out.
Tough really, hopefully he learns from it and moves on, but he isn't going to be starting often for Boro.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 4:35 pm

Sidney1st wrote:3rd loan where he was hardly used though, he walked out of Palace when he could see it wasn't working out.
Tough really, hopefully he learns from it and moves on, but he isn't going to be starting often for Boro.

I think he'll start every week for them next year in the Championship

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 4:38 pm

Feel for him in a way, but the amount of work he'd have to put in to shift our current first choice three is clearly beyond him.

And in his loan spells at Palace, Norwich and us, the only common denominator was Patrick himself, which suggests he's got a lot of work to do.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 4:46 pm

KRBFC wrote:I think he'll start every week for them next year in the Championship

Would be good for him to play every game again and hilarious if Boro go down.

taffy · Post by **taffy** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 4:47 pm

He was obviously brought in to compete with vokes and Barnes for a partnership with gray but if he doesn't work hard enough in training he wont play , we wont miss him

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 4:50 pm

Sidney1st wrote:Would be good for him to play every game again and hilarious if Boro go down.

Yeah I hope Hull/Sunderland stay up and they go down, it would be hilarious.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 4:58 pm

taffy wrote:He was obviously brought in to compete with vokes and Barnes for a partnership with gray but if he doesn't work hard enough in training he wont play , we wont miss him

I don't believe that was the case, I think the only time he would have been used is if Gray was given a lengthy ban and Barnes/Vokes were missing and we wanted to play 442 (if we were missing Gray and one of Barnes/Vokes we'd probably play 451 with Barnes/Vokes upfront). I don't think he was ever going to be given a chance and he never was given a chance and I question our intentions of selfishly bringing in a young player on loan with no intention of using him. We have ultimately stalled his career intentionally imo.

taffy · Post by **taffy** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 5:01 pm

Why on earth would we bring in anyone for 30k a week with the intention of not playing him

mkmel · Post by **mkmel** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 5:18 pm

Malton_Claret wrote:Obviously X thousands a month is no compensation. He wants to see what a proper job is like if he cries in his car after training!!

Don't think he really needs the money as he is the Grandson of Joseph Cyril Bamford the founder of JCB and he has an appartment in Monaco so is not short of a few bob

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 5:23 pm

Hasn't he got a degree/qualifications in something else, so he's actually playing football for a living because he enjoys it?

Giftonsnoidea · Post by **Giftonsnoidea** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 5:30 pm

taffy wrote:Why on earth would we bring in anyone for 30k a week with the intention of not playing him

Was a pure panic loan, nothing more nothing less, we couldn't think who to get in last minute of the summer window...

Cubanclaret · Post by **Cubanclaret** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 5:36 pm

Quite interesting insight I thought.
And fair play to him for speaking so honestly.
I'd imagine players at Middlesbrough have quite a cosseted lifestyle. Gibson's hotel complex by the side of Rockcliffe is some set-up, which i'd magine might have been preferable for someone who values home comforts.
He should have moved to Clitheroe. I would have met up with him for a decaf latte and a goats cheese toastie.

Pearcey · Post by **Pearcey** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 7:19 pm

His attitude was questioned at Palace and Norwich. He strikes me as someone who wants success to fall into his lap rather than graft hard for it. Hope he fails miserably at Boro and they get relegated. After that, good luck to him.

HollandsPies · Post by **HollandsPies** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 7:30 pm

[quote="KRBFC"]What a strange assumption, a small part of his family live in Burnley and are Burnley fans.[/quote
]
Not a strange assumption at all if you've had dealings with Nottingham High School.

CrosspoolClarets · Post by **CrosspoolClarets** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 7:30 pm

The clues are there.

Private school, seems to prefer his own car to his teammates company, likes walks on his own in Yarm, sensitive, a thinker.

Variables which may lead him to succeed in many walks of life, but I suspect football isn't one of them.

Strikes me as someone who makes bad decision after bad decision and covers it up with excuses. He needs some tough love and some experience of the real world. I'm not sure he'll ever had had it, and I'm not sure Karanka is the one to give him it.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 8:11 pm

wilks_bfc wrote:It's not the crying in the car that I felt sorry for (he needs to man up with being in strange places if he wants to be a successful footballer) it's the circumstances of him being here.

I'm not saying he is good enough. For me he's one of those "in-between" players that are better than the Championship but not good enough for the Prem.

I get the impression he wasn't a Dyche type signing, but more of a "panic loan" to cover the potential of Gray ban being longer in order to appease some people.

As it was, we changed formation, didn't miss Gray and didn't really need Bamford.

Not exactly a panic loan - we had one available forward, Vokes. We had to have cover. And if Bamford had shown anything at all in training, those fourt games would have seen Vokes 80 minutes, Bamford 10 - not Vokes 90, Bamford 0. Vokes was shattered after 85 minutes on his own up front - if Bamford couldn't get on the field, it wasn't because Dyche preferred his own man. It's because he wasn't showing in training that he was worth it.

jedi_master · Post by **jedi_master** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 8:15 pm

Will not make it at this level in my opinion. He has tried and failed at four Premier League clubs (including Chelsea) and that is not because the managers were not good enough to see his brilliance, but becauae he was nowhere near good enough to oust the three or four strikers in front of him at each club.

He is tied on to score against us for Boro, but I am fairly confident he will do nothing at this level for them (althoygh, as I believe they will nab 18th place, I am sure he will prove useful in the Championship).

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 9:59 pm

Of course, if he wants a bit of a run in the side, he's wasting his time going to Middlesbrough. They only play one up front, and that's Negredo.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 10:05 pm

I'm guessing the lad got depressed by all the cotton mills, brick-built factories, working mens' clubs, flat caps, matchstick men and matchstick boys and girls, bound to make you cry.
And I forgot the matchstick cats and dogs

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 11:15 pm

What a muppet really!! What must a player like Danny Ings think of that. 4 serious knee injuries in his young career and not a word of whining.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Mon Jan 30, 2017 12:23 am

coward

claretblue · Post by **claretblue** » Fri Feb 03, 2017 12:43 am

interesting demands from our former loanee - see article:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/articl ... mands.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Fri Feb 03, 2017 9:00 am

Just read that article.

How bizarre is that, it's almost like he's living in a little bubble.....

Why was he crying in his car again?

Den_Perry · Post by **Den_Perry** » Fri Feb 03, 2017 9:00 am

Haha! Good judge of character our Sean....just begs the question of why we brought him in at all though (maybe there are some players that even Dyche can't bring round).

Den_Perry · Post by **Den_Perry** » Fri Feb 03, 2017 9:03 am

Sidney1st wrote:Just read that article.

How bizarre is that, it's almost like he's living in a little bubble.....

Why was he crying in his car again?

Because his broadband had gone down and he couldn't watch Spongebob Squarepants

SkiptonClaret · Post by **SkiptonClaret** » Fri Feb 03, 2017 12:54 pm

Not sure what Patrick Bamford has done to the Daily Mail to fuel these daily revelations.
What next ? Stay tuned.

Ashingtonclaret46 · Post by **Ashingtonclaret46** » Fri Feb 03, 2017 2:18 pm

SkiptonClaret wrote:Not sure what Patrick Bamford has done to the Daily Mail to fuel these daily revelations.
What next ? Stay tuned.

It is Bamford that is making the revelations though, could it be a veiled 'dig' at the three British managers who have dealt with him over the last couple of years? He hints that it could well be a social class thing which has been held against him and that Karanka is not like that.

Personally, I think that what SD has allegedly said to Bamford may seem a little harsh, it is obvious that he was wanting a reaction, whether vocally or by effort on the training ground and it would seem that this is the grey area.
We have a squad which is full of fighters who, in my opinion, would always go the extra mile for their manager and team mates. I feel sure that this is waht SD is looking for in his players because he wants them to buy in to the philosophy that the team (including the backroom staff) is the most important thing, rather than any individual success. I certainly don't see anything wrong with that philosophy.

bob-the-scutter · Post by **bob-the-scutter** » Fri Feb 03, 2017 2:29 pm

elwaclaret wrote:I wouldn't have used such harsh language but basically I agree. Definitely gives the impression of a player who needs cuddles and constant re-assurance to keep him happy. While I'm fairly sure SD can motivate and encourage I don't really see the gaffer as a hearts, flowers and the occasional cuddly toy gift type boss. I think he would have done well under Coyle; his constant streams of bullshit would have been just what Bamford would have reacted positively to.

Harsh language???

Goalposts · Post by **Goalposts** » Fri Feb 03, 2017 4:10 pm

Bamford was on 40k that was his Chelsea wage. Plus accommodation plus amenities plus tv subscription. There's a long list of his demands and his dad is more than happy to justify them for you...lol

Seriously delirious in terms of own ability

Woodleyclaret · Post by **Woodleyclaret** » Sat Feb 04, 2017 9:15 am

How else can you explain the madness that persuaded Palace Norwich and us to give his non scoring striker son £40,000/week,free flat with all bills paid including sky package.
Clearly Dads trying to recoup some of the money spent on violin lessons and private education.
These schools always say that encourage resilience, self reliance and a will to succeed, always giving your best
I reckon he got screwed in their Patrick's case as he's got non of the above.

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Sat Feb 04, 2017 9:22 am

His Dad's plenty rich enough already.

I imagine what persuaded us and Norwich to pay his wages is his footballing talent. He won Championship player of the year at the tender age of 21. For whatever reason, it hasn't worked out for him since. He doesn't come across as somebody who fits the into the accepted football culture and his recent interview highlighted that.

But regarding his wages, as inflated as they are, it's the kind of wages that top flight footballers earn these days.

Claretto · Post by **Claretto** » Sat Feb 04, 2017 9:28 am

mkmel wrote:Don't think he really needs the money as he is the Grandson of Joseph Cyril Bamford the founder of JCB

Are you sure about this? So his dad or uncle is Lord Anthony Bamford, the billionaire? And you think he's haggling over a sky sports subscription?

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Sat Feb 04, 2017 9:38 am

Uncles are great but I've never known an uncle pay anyone's bills, no matter how rich they are.

wilks_bfc · Post by **wilks_bfc** » Sat Feb 04, 2017 9:41 am

Claretto wrote:Are you sure about this? So his dad or uncle is Lord Anthony Bamford, the billionaire? And you think he's haggling over a sky sports subscription?

He's defiantly related

Claretforever · Post by **Claretforever** » Sat Feb 04, 2017 9:41 am

Claretto · Post by **Claretto** » Sat Feb 04, 2017 9:41 am

I really don't think his grandad was the guy who founded JCB. Any proof of this ?

wilks_bfc · Post by **wilks_bfc** » Sat Feb 04, 2017 9:44 am

Distant relation. Not sure on how distant

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/sport/foo ... 353970.ece" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Claretto · Post by **Claretto** » Sat Feb 04, 2017 9:45 am

Ok, so not grandson. Thanks. Some nonsense on here.

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Tue Feb 28, 2017 6:53 am

Not working out so far at boro. I can't imagine he will get much sympathy up there if he turns on the tears
http://forum.comeonboro.com/index.php?topic=118511.0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Tue Feb 28, 2017 7:17 am

It would appear that their opinions of Dyche have improved since last season.

I think they'd probably trade Karanka for Dyche right now.

Claretmatt4 · Post by **Claretmatt4** » Tue Feb 28, 2017 7:20 am

Love the constant childish references to the championship and championship players as 'chumps'

This is the division they failed to win last year and also the division where they have spent the majority of their time as a club.

D!cks.

LawsCanalJump · Post by **LawsCanalJump** » Tue Feb 28, 2017 7:38 am

Has he scored yet?
Bets of when he will please