Weak links - Lowton & Boyd

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Re: Weak links - Lowton & Boyd

Post by KRBFC » Tue Mar 07, 2017 1:18 pm

Claretmatt4 wrote:Issue away from home is not down to individuals. It's down to the job they are being asked to do.

It's one thing thinking a point will do and setting up away from home as such, but we make it blindingly obvious every time that we have no intention of establishing possession.

This is what happens:

Opposing team have the ball, we sit back and invite pressure. Force them to the wings to cross -head clear back to them on edge of box OR let them shoot from distance. We block it or it goes out for a GK or corner.

When we grew t the ball we do one thing and one thing only. Tw@t it clear.

Gray has a job of bringing it out of orbit and under control. When he does he looks up only to see every Burnley player is still in his box! He loses the ball. We start again from the top.

Rinse and repeat and lose every single time.


It's a shame because performances away had really picked up lately. We let Swansea play and sat back like it was a cup game and we had drawn Chelsea away from home.

Worst thing is we can play football. We have good technical players! We battered Leicester and such Der land twice at the Turf without resorting to 90% hoof ball.

Well probably stay up anyway but we need to change things if we want that elusive away win.

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We could have Ronaldo upfront, he would struggle with the service Gray receives away from home. Long hopeful clearances that he's expected to bring down and beat 4 defenders with no team mate within 60 yards and then score. We could have Neymar outwide, playing as a 2nd left back expected to then bomb from one end of the pitch to the other beating defenders along the way to put in a cross. Some of the players in this system are hung out to dry by Dyche, they're on a hiding to nothing.

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Re: Weak links - Lowton & Boyd

Post by Wile E Coyote » Tue Mar 07, 2017 1:28 pm

KRBFC wrote:Does that mean Marvin Sordell is/was good enough for us because he scored a better goal than that of Barnes' against the same opponents?
no mate, it doesn't, just shows Barnes has a little more in his game than roughing up opponents.

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Re: Weak links - Lowton & Boyd

Post by oswyclaret » Tue Mar 07, 2017 1:56 pm

Wile E Coyote wrote:too vague...who exactly are these wonderfully talented players?
Not my job pal,I work in construction,leave it to the boss!

With the money we have....that f%%ing vague enough!

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Re: Weak links - Lowton & Boyd

Post by claretspice » Tue Mar 07, 2017 2:01 pm

Reading these posts, especially those from about post 44 onwards, you'd wonder how on earth it is we sit 12th in the league, 9 points clear of the drop zone and in a remarkably comfortable league position for a newly promoted club of modest relative resources.

And that is because, in large part, these posts are knee-jerk, hysterical nonsense.

We don't need to replace 6 or 7 players this close season, and all the players named by Braindead above have proved this season that they are more than capable of contributing at this level. As we try and improve the team, of course, one or two, perhaps 3 or 4 will get replaced. But it isn't urgent that we do that - we've competed rather well as it is this season, if we're honest. And the idea we're a team that gets ridiculously strung out is, frankly, nonsense - we're one of the most compact teams in the league. That's why we've been so utterly brilliant at home.

That isn't to say the team can't or doesn't need to be improved - we should always be looking to improve and we do need to add more strings to our bow or else teams will work us out and we won't be able to repeat the same trick next season. This summer's priorities will probably be replacing Michael Keane (or actually Tarkowski), replacing Gray if he goes and/or bringing in another striker capable of linking with the midfield better and completing the total overhaul of our midfield by bringing in another midfielder to replace Boyd. It might include one full back, probably a left back, who is expected to be a regular. But any other players we sign will be back ups.

But we shouldn't discard, or disrespect/ignore the talents of the players who get us here. Vokes, Barnes, Arfield, Warrd and Lowton will all have big roles to play for us next season. And so they should, because along with the likes of Heaton and Mee, they establish the essential characteristics of this Burnley squad - maximum effort being the minimum requirement and all that. We'd be utter fools to chuck all that out and think we're some how big enough and strong enough to do without that underdog spririt. There's a real need for perspective and appreciation of what we have got in these discussions.

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Re: Weak links - Lowton & Boyd

Post by Wile E Coyote » Tue Mar 07, 2017 2:47 pm

oswyclaret wrote:Not my job pal,I work in construction,leave it to the boss!

With the money we have....that f%%ing vague enough!
its the sort of drivel I have come to expect from fans who just say things..you know..things. just meaningless, nonsensical things.
Found your level though with the sweary f% thing at the end. that's good.

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Re: Weak links - Lowton & Boyd

Post by KRBFC » Tue Mar 07, 2017 3:02 pm

claretspice wrote:Reading these posts, especially those from about post 44 onwards, you'd wonder how on earth it is we sit 12th in the league, 9 points clear of the drop zone and in a remarkably comfortable league position for a newly promoted club of modest relative resources.

And that is because, in large part, these posts are knee-jerk, hysterical nonsense.

We don't need to replace 6 or 7 players this close season, and all the players named by Braindead above have proved this season that they are more than capable of contributing at this level. As we try and improve the team, of course, one or two, perhaps 3 or 4 will get replaced. But it isn't urgent that we do that - we've competed rather well as it is this season, if we're honest. And the idea we're a team that gets ridiculously strung out is, frankly, nonsense - we're one of the most compact teams in the league. That's why we've been so utterly brilliant at home.

That isn't to say the team can't or doesn't need to be improved - we should always be looking to improve and we do need to add more strings to our bow or else teams will work us out and we won't be able to repeat the same trick next season. This summer's priorities will probably be replacing Michael Keane (or actually Tarkowski), replacing Gray if he goes and/or bringing in another striker capable of linking with the midfield better and completing the total overhaul of our midfield by bringing in another midfielder to replace Boyd. It might include one full back, probably a left back, who is expected to be a regular. But any other players we sign will be back ups.

But we shouldn't discard, or disrespect/ignore the talents of the players who get us here. Vokes, Barnes, Arfield, Warrd and Lowton will all have big roles to play for us next season. And so they should, because along with the likes of Heaton and Mee, they establish the essential characteristics of this Burnley squad - maximum effort being the minimum requirement and all that. We'd be utter fools to chuck all that out and think we're some how big enough and strong enough to do without that underdog spririt. There's a real need for perspective and appreciation of what we have got in these discussions.
We have been an absolute shambles away from home all season long, blown out in most games. I don't think it's knee jerk to suggest anything negative about the away performances/results because I think many recognise however good we have been at home we will need to be much much better to pick up points away from home for next season because it's unlikely we'll replicate the home form of this season again.

The problem for me isn't the results or the last minute goals we concede on a regular basis it's the performance as a whole away from home nearly every week. We've had a long time to come up with something away from home and change things to progress and I think we all saw the Swansea game which wasn't even competitive tbh. I honestly have no idea where our next win away from home will come from, I don't see a genuine transformation from the away performances early on, the Swansea game was very much the same stuff served up at Soton.

We've added new players and ones we all wanted like Brady and we still look a million miles off being competitive away from home on a regular basis. I personally believe in the players, I think we have players to be competitive away from home, I believe we have players capable of providing Gray service on a more regular basis, I think we have players capable of stringing a few passes together, ultimately I believe Dyche should be doing a lot better away from home with the tools at his disposal. The system is completely wrong, the whole game plan needs re-thinking away, it hasn't worked away from home all season long yet we're still persisting with the same old same old. 28% possession at Swansea, what are we trying to achieve? I honestly don't know, parking the bus with a narrow set up to allow cross after cross to sail into a target man like LLorente is just suicidal football. Long punts up to an isolated striker like Gray who is terrible in the air is again, suicidal football and surrendering possession. Stats don't mean an awful lot but 28% possession for me is a telling one, zero pressure on the ball, too happy to sit in and try cling on. It's a negative way to play. We were playing against Swansea not Chelsea, we are still above Swansea in the league yet the negative away mentality and system made us look leagues apart (no exaggeration). The subs against Swansea were bizarre, I'm all for parking the bus and timewasting to scrape out wins in the final 5-10 minutes, but to sub on an extra central defender and change the entire shape for 20-25 minutes at 2-2 is completely baffling. If you give quality players the freedom of the pitch, 72% of the ball, all the momentum in the world and the home crowd behind them, what on earth do you expect to happen? Those quality players 9 times out of 10 will pick you apart. It's like when a League One/Two club draws a PL side in the FA Cup, the small club park the bus hoping to scrape out a replay/get lucky it ends up that once the PL side gets the first goal, the floodgates open and the smaller club cannot react. Why are we waiting to concede to then react and chase a game? Why are we not attempting to press and be on the front foot from kick off?

Fans are happy too continue to make excuses for our failings, like after the Leicester game ''They were Champions last season'' it's a vicious circle of lame excuses and playing down the quality of players we have now. We are not a League One side anymore, we have international players, we're 12th in the PL. Yet fans are seemingly happy to continue to witness the lack of progress away from home which will ultimately lead to relegation in the long run if it isn't sorted. 6 months in and it hasn't been sorted and I'm yet to see progress despite signing upgrades in January.
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Re: Weak links - Lowton & Boyd

Post by claretdom » Tue Mar 07, 2017 3:10 pm

For someone who had 1 target this season which was stay up at any cost you don't half whinge some dross.

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Re: Weak links - Lowton & Boyd

Post by KRBFC » Tue Mar 07, 2017 3:17 pm

claretdom wrote:For someone who had 1 target this season which was stay up at any cost you don't half whinge some dross.
Maybe I'm winging but I believe I speak sense, you may disagree and I will listen to any counter argument you put forward. The aim for any Burnley fan this season was to stay in the PL, but I believe we've achieved that so I'm looking past that (maybe stupidly).

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Re: Weak links - Lowton & Boyd

Post by Wile E Coyote » Tue Mar 07, 2017 3:36 pm

the team is comparatively weak, otherwise we would have a lot more points, and some wins away.
IF we stay in this division, it goes without saying changes will occur. There'll be a vast input of monies yet again as well as more lessons learnt.
I have a feeling the way the seasons going, that we will get dragged down a bit to close for comfort quite soon. Just staying up will be mriaculous.

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