Shots fired outside Westminster

IndigoLake · Post by **IndigoLake** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 6:01 pm

4 people confirmed dead

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 6:02 pm

Four now confirmed dead.(Scotland Yard/BBC)

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 6:02 pm

3 hot meals a day, a warm bed at night and 24hr protection awaiting for that scumbag.

Probably be a better life than he had on the outside.

I'd like to see him gutted.

I don't think I could resist not shooting him in the head, if I was the first officer on the scene.

Barry_Chuckle · Post by **Barry_Chuckle** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 6:03 pm

IndigoLake wrote:4 people confirmed dead

3 people confirmed dead and one foookwit scumbag also believed to have got what he deserves!

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 6:04 pm

2 civilians dead, the policeman and suspect.

The asst commissioner on Sky has explained about increased security and mentioned the Army is available if required.

IndigoLake · Post by **IndigoLake** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 6:05 pm

Barry_Chuckle wrote:3 people confirmed dead and one foookwit scumbag also believed to have got what he deserves!

Confirmed 4 people have died. One of those is believed to be the attacker.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 6:08 pm

PaintYorkClaretnBlue wrote:Such sad news about the police officer, well done to the mp who tried to save him. Awful situation, may the terrorist rot in hell.

Have they said which MP it was?

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 6:08 pm

IndigoLake wrote:Confirmed 4 people have died. One of those is believed to be the attacker.

Well, that's something at least...

starting_11 · Post by **starting_11** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 6:09 pm

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ficer.html

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 6:11 pm

Sounds like it was one guy.

I've absolutely no idea how you stop a lone idiot, as today and poor Mrs Cox prove.

Wexford_Claret · Post by **Wexford_Claret** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 6:14 pm

[quote="ClaretMoffitt"]Have they said which MP it was?[/]
Tobias Ellwood, Tory backbencher I think.

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 6:15 pm

I know how to stop him doing it again.....

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 6:16 pm

Well, he isn't going to be doing it again.

Barry_Chuckle · Post by **Barry_Chuckle** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 6:17 pm

IndigoLake wrote:Confirmed 4 people have died. One of those is believed to be the attacker.

That's what I said!

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 6:24 pm

ElectroClaret wrote:I know how to stop him doing it again.....

Not really the point though is it. It's how you stop another individual from doing something similar. I'm not sure there's an answer. Anyone can run a car onto the kerb and mow down innocents. You can't have security everywhere, and you can't totally ban knives. I was using one myself to carve a chicken but 45 minutes ago, and a less sharp one to eat it, but 10 minutes ago.

BennyD · Post by **BennyD** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 6:24 pm

A terrorist died yesterday and another today. Trouble is there millions of the f*ckers, but some on here still take their hats off to them. Well, the Irish ones at least.

claretandy · Post by **claretandy** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 6:29 pm

unconfirmed reports that the attacker is rent a gob Islamic hate preacher Abu Izzadeen, he will be well known to the police.

https://youtu.be/nwfF4-yzOQc" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 6:31 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:There are people who like it when these kinds of thing happen. Some of the because it makes them feel vindicated by their hatred of those who have think in common with the killer, such as race or religion. And there are some people who like it because they get to make a political point against what they imagine people they disagree with politically will try to say. It happens a lot in the US where people instinctively see things like this as a propaganda opportunity but not so much in the UK. Claretandy is proof that there are some of those types here, but he's the exception not the rule.

2 people are dead. I think we can at least wait till they're cold before we blame liberals for it, or the right for it, or whoever we want to be to blame for it.

Wtf?

claretandy · Post by **claretandy** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 6:31 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:That's America. In the UK we're pretty good at calling a terrorist a terrorist regardless of race or religion.

Nope, James O'Brien usually claims they are mentally ill.

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 6:33 pm

BennyD wrote:A terrorist died yesterday and another today. Trouble is there millions of the f*ckers, but some on here still take their hats off to them. Well, the Irish ones at least.

Fair point but equally isn't it a good thing when terrorist turns peacemaker, and effectively brings an end to terrorism in that region?
As one of his political adversaries said yesterday. "It's not how we start off in life but where you finish" (or words to that effect). That was Ian Paisley's son. If the DUP can largely move on - without forgetting what he was, then I think the rest of us should try.
Nelson Mandela's terrorist past has virtually been wiped from history nowadays because of how it all ended.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 6:33 pm

Following the beheading of a priest in front of his congregation and the Nice lorry terror attack. James Obrian a far left presenter on LBC radio, claimed that Islamic terrorism was "a sick cry for help"

IndigoLake · Post by **IndigoLake** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 6:35 pm

Barry_Chuckle wrote:That's what I said!

Apologies, I may have misread what you wrote. I blame tiredness!

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 6:37 pm

claretandy wrote:Nope, James O'Brien usually claims they are mentally ill.

He called a paranoid schizophrenic mentally ill. Does that mean he calls all/most of them mentally ill?

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 6:38 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:Following the beheading of a priest in front of his congregation and the Nice lorry terror attack. James Obrian a far left presenter on LBC radio, claimed that Islamic terrorism was "a sick cry for help"

No he didn't. I could find nothing to back up this claim the last time you made it. And if the Daily Mail didn't have any articles about him saying this then it's fair to assume you're full of ****.

SussexDon1inIreland · Post by **SussexDon1inIreland** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 6:40 pm

Similar to the nearly daily attacks going on in Sweden France and Germany which liberals pretend are not happening. Erdogan speaking at a press conference in Ankara today said: “If Europe continues this way, no European in any part of the world can walk safely on the streets.”

He added: “We, as Turkey, call on Europe to respect human rights and democracy.” which is ironic, given Turkey’s appalling record on human rights!

Two days ago Erdogan called on Turks in Europe to be the Continent's (Europe) Future: 'Have 5 Children, Not 3'

We have let them all in and now they will eventually take over. The bizarre thing for me is not only have we let this invasion happen our liberal politicians have actually encouraged it.

Barry_Chuckle · Post by **Barry_Chuckle** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 6:40 pm

IndigoLake wrote:Apologies, I may have misread what you wrote. I blame tiredness!

Indigo, I refuse to acknowledge that 4 people have died, to me there were 3 people who died and the 4th I wouldn't class as a person/human being for obvious reasons.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 6:40 pm

Remember Mair was a "tragic loner", not a terrorist.

Nope, he was a terrorist scumbag, just like this one.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 6:42 pm

You know there are some pretty thick posters on here, but SussexDoninIreland is my favourite one.

There isn't a Daily Mail editorial he won't steal, or quote as facts. Anything will do as long as it backs up his warped view of the UK.

Well done sir, to shine out like you do on here takes some doing.

claretandy · Post by **claretandy** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 6:43 pm

claretandy wrote:unconfirmed reports that the attacker is rent a gob Islamic hate preacher Abu Izzadeen, he will be well known to the police.

https://youtu.be/nwfF4-yzOQc" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

SussexDon1inIreland · Post by **SussexDon1inIreland** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 6:44 pm

https://www.periscope.tv/w/1mrxmenrynvxy" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Its not the Daily Mail

Bacchus · Post by **Bacchus** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 6:50 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:Does it leave a bad taste in anyone else's mouth when you see our services working desperately hard to save the lives of **** like this?

I completely understand this sentiment but in practice do we really want medics to turn up at a scene and make their own moral judgements on who to attend to?

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 6:54 pm

The reaction from Frances Arabic news...

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 6:55 pm

CM, try reading the Daily Mail comments page sometime.

Its as bad

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 7:03 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:CM, try reading the Daily Mail comments page sometime.

Its as bad

Honestly mate, in an equivalent reversed scenario, I find that quite hard to believe.

SussexDon1inIreland · Post by **SussexDon1inIreland** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 7:09 pm

Lancaster do you want the comments from Erdogan in Turkish from Turkish sources?

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 7:10 pm

Attacker confirmed as Abu Izzadeen (channel 4 news)

claretandy · Post by **claretandy** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 7:12 pm

claretandy wrote:

Confirmed by channel 4 news.

Saxoman · Post by **Saxoman** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 7:13 pm

I think the thing to do is take stock, then post on this when its not quite so raw.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 7:15 pm

Bacchus wrote:I completely understand this sentiment but in practice do we really want medics to turn up at a scene and make their own moral judgements on who to attend to?

No, course not. The image just angered me, that's all.

Especially when it was likely there were still innocent people waiting to be treated at that point.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 7:16 pm

No, I don't

What I want is people to stop turning a lone idiot into something bigger to justify their political/personal aims. If you want to engage me in a debate about Erdogan and his current political tactics to make sure he wins his referendum at home, then feel free.

CM

I remember when Brexit was happening, the Telegraph went to Clacton-on-Sea and the first two people they spoke to wanted to know why the Navy wasn't in the Mediterranean, sinking refugee boats.

You need to read it, especially after Muslim v Muslim terrorist incidents.

Some people on both sides are not capable of seeing death and destruction for what it really is. The only thing that makes stuff like this worse is if more and more people on both sides think violence is the only way to deal with each other.

hampsteadclaret · Post by **hampsteadclaret** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 7:16 pm

The lady who went into the Thames is alright, she survived...that's pretty amazing [Ch.4 News]

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 7:19 pm

Wasn't that guy the feature of a documentary not long ago? I've certainly seen him before. Vaguely remember him storming some form of meeting.

50 shades of Grey · Post by **50 shades of Grey** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 7:23 pm

I rarely comment on political/ religious threads, but I'll make an exception today. I'll keep it short.

Yet again we have innocent people dying horrifically, killed by individuals who believe in a fairy story, and on here, the usual suspects are arguing the toss, like kids in the playground. It really is pathetic. I cant be bothered going into any more detail, because if I did, no doubt, someone would try and twist my words and draw into an internet argument.

Whatever your personal thoughts or opinions, perhaps at a time like this, sometimes its best to keep them to yourself.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 7:28 pm

ElectroClaret wrote:Attacker confirmed as Abu Izzadeen (channel 4 news)

Well, I suppose when your tactics of war are typically to blow yourselves up sooner or later you're going to run out of ammo, and so instead you'll have to throw yourself into the "fight".

claretandy · Post by **claretandy** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 7:29 pm

Bordeauxclaret wrote:Wasn't that guy the feature of a documentary not long ago? I've certainly seen him before. Vaguely remember him storming some form of meeting.

Thats him, stormed a public meeting of the then home secretery John Reid.

conyoviejo · Post by **conyoviejo** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 7:31 pm

I find it all rather sad that one human being can kill another human being ..No matter what colour or religion he is.. It's a sad world we live in..

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 7:33 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:
CM

I remember when Brexit was happening, the Telegraph went to Clacton-on-Sea and the first two people they spoke to wanted to know why the Navy wasn't in the Mediterranean, sinking refugee boats.

You need to read it, especially after Muslim v Muslim terrorist incidents.

Some people on both sides are not capable of seeing death and destruction for what it really is. The only thing that makes stuff like this worse is if more and more people on both sides think violence is the only way to deal with each other.

While I don't for one second suggest that these things have never been said, they have and I've seen them myself personally. It's never more than one or two idiots and they are swiftly called out for the muppets they are in my experience.

The scale of support when an Islamic inspired attack happens compared to something like that is negligible. Apparently reactions like the one I posted are common place on Arab media when events like this happen and it's more than just two or three idiots. A lot of these people genuinely hate the west and see these types of attacks as a victory for Islam. That is just a sad, hard reality.

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 7:34 pm

Lancasterclaret brings up the Daily Mail surprise.
If there was a thread about our best winger you'd manage to bring up the Daily Mail.

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 7:35 pm

I wondered how long it would take for someone to bring up Brexit on this thread.

morpheus2 · Post by **morpheus2** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 7:36 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Says who?

Yeah, gallows humour but maybe not totally without grounds, because so far he fits our currently approved profile of 'mentally ill' - beard, dark skinned, ploughing a car into pedestrians, wielding a blade, probably screaming "Allah is greater" in Arabic....it may transpire that his parents and friends will say that he had not been a good Muslim - he drank, had casual sex but then he became more devout recently, started going to mosque and reading the Qur'an more regularly, became really pious in the last few weeks...became mentally ill.

It may be that he discovered, as it appears that many of the ones who suffer from this particular mental illness also discover, that redemption for those who have been 'bad' Muslims and entry into paradise and access to the virgins is only specifically guaranteed to "those who kill and are killed in the way of Allah" - murder by martyrdom, everybody else has to wait for judgement day to find their fate which is in no way certain, no matter how devout they think they have been, martyrs who murder on the other hand are straight in there.

It is a special particular kind of mental illness, it must have a name by now.....as well as the few closer to home there have been hundreds of similar cases of vehicular attacks by knife wielding Arabic screaming mentally ill bearded mosque going people in Israel in the past few years since the last infitada. It's one of the prefered MOs in this new wave of attacks by the mentally ill these days.

So yes, possibly mentally ill.