Trump bombs Syria

[Vegas Claret]

interesting video

[Imploding Turtle]

Trump had no other choice but to take military action. He had to show a strong arm not just to the Syrians, but also to the Russians who have gained a foot hold in the middle east due to the weakness of Obama.

Trump will be good for the west, and a relief from the weakness and incompetence of Obama.

Do at least the minimum amount of research before you make dumb-as-**** posts like this, please.

[Clarinetclaret]

Do at least the minimum amount of research before you make dumb-as-**** posts like this, please.

Here he is, the self proclaimed genius of American politics and Trump. Obsessed.

[Clarinetclaret]

"Trump won't do anything about Assad."


Who said this 24 hour ago

I think I did. Why?

Haha. If i was childish enough I would say IT just got pwned! Oops I just did.

[tim_noone]

Grow up children,stop squabbling amongst yourselves!!!

[Smallpaul]

Drop beats not Bombs....ok maybe not. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/ ... -to-prayer" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Imploding Turtle]

Here he is, the self proclaimed genius of American politics and Trump. Obsessed.

I've never proclaimed that, you made that up.

If you'd spent the recommended 5 seconds checking your facts you'd have known that when Obama wanted to do what Trump did congress refused to authorise it. This wasn't incompetence nor weakness on Obama's part. It was congress' failure.

You don't need to be a genius to know this, you just have to care about facts.

[morpheus2]

I think we need a group hug...

[Blackrod]

What could possibly go wrong ? After Assad is removed we could try and impose democracy on culturally different people. We will then end up with another mess like Libya and Iraq and once again a breeding ground for fanatics.

[Cirrus_Minor]

This is the Middle East, you talk like all this is something new over there.

I think that even for the Middle East this is more involved and convoluted. However, maybe you could give us an example of why it is not new.

[Vegas Claret]

of course none of this has anything to do with the pipeline they want to run through Syria

[CrosspoolClarets]

I don't know which I despise more, the powerful in these Middle East countries getting rich, not by doing anything special but just by digging up oil and flogging it (or allowing pipelines through their country), or the powerful in other countries in the world who abuse those countries for the same reasons, to get their oil.

The sooner we are shut of the demand for oil, the better. I don't see any evidence it makes the ordinary folk in the Middle East any happier.

[Clarinetclaret]

I think that even for the Middle East this is more involved and convoluted. However, maybe you could give us an example of why it is not new.

More convuluted and involved? Dont talk ********. If you need me to give you a lesson in why its not new then you need to do more research. Shia, sunni, kurdish, jewish, western powers, oil, lost territory, conquered territory. Its always been the same. How about you tell me what is different between this and Iraq? Dictator, chemical weapons, western powers intefering, shia majority ruling, sunnis not happy, for all the rebel factions in Syria read tribesmen in Iraq. Its no differerent to the decades of turmoil that has been present in the middle east. Or are you an alarmist that thinks the end is nigh lol. Oh no its the end times, rapture blah blah blah.

[Imploding Turtle]

But the lefties said that Trump was in Putin's pocket?

He told Russia he planned to bomb Syria's air force before he told congress.

[Imploding Turtle]

The republican Senate majority leader in 2013 when Obama wanted approval to attack Syria after Assad killed over 1,000 with chemical weapons:

"A vital national security risk is clearly not at play, there are just too many unanswered questions about our long-term strategy in Syria, including the fact that this proposal is utterly detached from a wider strategy to end the civil war there, and on the specific question of deterring the use of chemical weapons, the President's proposal appears to be based on a contradiction. Either we will strike targets that threaten the stability of the regime — something the President says he does not intend to do — or we will execute a strike so narrow as to be a mere demonstration."


And now here he is when it's a Republican president who does it without approval:

"This was a clear signal from America that Bashar al Assad can no longer use chemical weapons against his own people with impunity."


These people are **** and anyone who supports them when their hypocrisy is this obvious needs to reassess whether they really give a **** about other people, because the people they support so clearly don't.

[ClaretMoffitt]

He told Russia he planned to bomb Syria's air force before he told congress.

You don't still honestly believe this, do you? You expected him to bomb Russian planes?

[bluelabrador16]

MacCruiskeen

"You know damn well there is an enormous contingent of #nevertrumper warmongers - millions of them! - who hate Trump and are happy with any war their #LiberalConscience will allow, i.e., any that pretends, however ridiculously, to be motivated by #humanitarian principles. Twitter and the telly are currently jammed full of them. (Have you missed them?*) All of a sudden Trump is "looking Presidential". All of a sudden he's "standing up to Putin". All of a sudden he's the hero of #LiberalHumanitarianWarmongers all over the USA."


Michael Tracey retweeted Anne-Marie Slaughter

All it took for liberal elites to rebuke Obama and lavish praise on Trump was a few tomahawk missiles.

Anne-Marie Slaughter‏ Verifizied Account @SlaughterAM

Donald Trump has done the right thing on Syria. Finally!! After years of useless handwringing in the face of hideous atrocities.

https://twitter.com/mtracey/status/850439083570733057" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

NBC News ‏Verified Account @NBCNews 19 hours ago

WATCH: Hillary Clinton said U.S. should attack Assad's airfields hours before missile strike.More: http://nbcnews.to/2o34p6W" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

https://twitter.com/smmarrujo/status/850163576211996672" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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[FactualFrank]

I think all joking assad, things are getting pretty syrias.

[Imploding Turtle]

You don't still honestly believe this, do you? You expected him to bomb Russian planes?

What the actual ****? How did you get to there from what I said?

[HiroshimaClaret]

If Obama had carried out this `attack` then made the same speech as Trump post-bombing he would have been up for the Nobel Peace Prize again. Assad crossed Obama`s red line many times and the former pres did jack diddly squat. Trump is a prize plonker but on this occasion, regardless of the motivation (a nudge to China), the correct action was taken.

[Imploding Turtle]

If Obama had carried out this `attack` then made the same speech as Trump post-bombing he would have been up for the Nobel Peace Prize again. Assad crossed Obama`s red line many times and the former pres did jack diddly squat. Trump is a prize plonker but on this occasion, regardless of the motivation (a nudge to China), the correct action was taken.

Obama wanted military action against Syria after his red line was crossed but Congress refused to authorise it. This is a little fact that the Republicans, and Obama's haters, wish wasn't true but it is.

[HiroshimaClaret]

Obama wanted military action against Syria after his red line was crossed but Congress refused to authorise it. This is a little fact that the Republicans, and Obama's haters, wish wasn't true but it is.

I`m neither of the above, Mr Turtle and am not arguing with your assertion regards Obama but with Assad still in power at the end of Obama`s term of office, this has to be seen as a huge black mark on his record, no matter how much good has been attached to his presidency.

I would like to discuss this with you further but having an 8-month old on my lap makes it difficult!

Enjoy the match!!!!!!!

[Imploding Turtle]

I wasn't suggesting you were, only that you believe what you believe because those people are lying to you.

I don't consider it a black mark on his presidency because it wasn't him that refused to do anything. It was congress that refused to authorise it. I'm sure you'll agree that it would be unreasonable in the extreme to blame Obama for Congress' inaction.

[HiroshimaClaret]

I wasn't suggesting you were, only that you believe what you believe because those people are lying to you.

I don't consider it a black mark on his presidency because it wasn't him that refused to do anything. It was congress that refused to authorise it. I'm sure you'll agree that it would be unreasonable in the extreme to blame Obama for Congress' inaction.

Indeed it would.

[bluelabrador16]

Syria's 2013 gas attacks were all false flags. Why would Assad in 2017, nearly winning his war, use gas and incite a US response?

"... There was never any evidence linking Syrian government troops or the Assad government to the attacks then. No proof in the document given to the UN. And the US report making the case to Congress admittedly was full of unsubstantiated claims and guesswork. After initially pushing for action, France did a U-turn when the lack of evidence became obvious. UK Prime Minister David Cameron was halted by a vote in Parliament from going to war over the gas attacks....

...Even 'fake news' CNN pointed out the inconsistencies, back then. I and others noted that (just like today) Assad had no motive for such an attack, which could only hurt him. See 2013 coverage by the AP and the Atlantic.

Putin then brokered a deal in which Assad agreed to give up all his chemical weapons (the same ones the US and Russia still have). Portable factories that destroy chemical weapons were brought in, and all chemical weapons were turned over and destroyed.

Secretary of State Kerry confirmed the complete removal of chemical weapons from Syria on NBC's "Meet the Press" on July 20, 2014. He said,
Russia has been constructive in helping to remove 100% of the declared chemical weapons from Syria. In fact, that was an agreement we made months ago. And it never faltered, even during these moments of conflict......

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Experts should be sent to Syrian airbase attacked by US to carry out chemical probe – Russian MoD

"Washington has presented “no evidence whatsoever” yet that the Shayrat airfield in Syria’s Homs Province targeted by the US after an alleged chemical attack in Idlib had any such weapons, the Russian Defense Ministry said.

“Twenty-four hours have passed since the US Navy warships launched a massive missile strike at the Shayrat airfield, and neither the Pentagon nor the State Department have provided any evidence of presence of chemical weapons at this airbase,” the ministry spokesman, Major-General Igor Konashenkov,

Dozens of representatives of the media, local authorities, fire departments, police, and the Syrian military have visited the airfield since then, with no alleged “storage units” or any chemical shells having been found, he said....."

https://www.rt.com/news/384042-shayrat- ... l-weapons/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

US pre-planned strikes aim to impede Syria progress: Iran, Russia

"The military brass of Iran and Russia say the pre-planned US missile strikes against a Syrian airfield were a blatant attack on an independent country with the purpose of hindering its recent military gains and boosting the morale of terrorists and their allies......"

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[Imploding Turtle]