George Boyd

Darthlaw · Post by **Darthlaw** » Fri Apr 07, 2017 4:18 pm

If George Boyd is a regular starter next season, assuming we're still in the PL, something has gone seriously wrong with our transfer business.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Fri Apr 07, 2017 4:24 pm

Darthlaw wrote:If George Boyd is a regular starter next season, assuming we're still in the PL, something has gone seriously wrong with our transfer business.

I'm sure you've made this comment already this season

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Fri Apr 07, 2017 4:48 pm

spot on comment though Darth !

lakesclaret · Post by **lakesclaret** » Fri Apr 07, 2017 4:54 pm

Been brilliant for us over 3yrs and il be sad to see him go,however to be really fair if we'd had a fully fit side I doubt we'd have seen that much of George this season.
Great system player, surely Scotland his best option where hel pocket his signing on fee and probs get a 2 yr deal( might even get in the Scotland side again) A true professional good luck to him

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Fri Apr 07, 2017 4:59 pm

The quote from Sean Dyche in that article was actually what he said about Matt Lowton when he signed his new deal

Ilkley claret · Post by **Ilkley claret** » Fri Apr 07, 2017 5:03 pm

Boyd is quality, shambles if we have not secured his services.

CombatClaret · Post by **CombatClaret** » Fri Apr 07, 2017 5:25 pm

MACCA wrote:So just because some person who has sponsored the match says he was man if match, I have to believe him and it's taken as a fact?

He wasn't even close, so It's a lie. He wasn't the best player on the pitch.

You mistake the definition of the MOTM as an award and the phrase used as personal opinion.
MOTM is an award. If he won it and the paper says he did then it's not a lie.

If he was not your man of the match that does not make the above fact untrue. Really easy to understand.

bartons baggage · Post by **bartons baggage** » Fri Apr 07, 2017 5:42 pm

Darthlaw wrote:If George Boyd is a regular starter next season, assuming we're still in the PL, something has gone seriously wrong with our transfer business.

I think something's gone seriously wrong with some fans expectations.

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Fri Apr 07, 2017 5:46 pm

CombatClaret wrote:You mistake the definition of the MOTM as an award and the phrase used as personal opinion.
MOTM is an award. If he won it and the paper says he did then it's not a lie.

If he was not your man of the match that does not make the above fact untrue. Really easy to understand.

I agree

SalisburyClaret · Post by **SalisburyClaret** » Fri Apr 07, 2017 6:27 pm

Whenever I talk about Burnley to supporers of other clubs- They all see Boyd, Keane and Heaton as our best players

Give him a 3 yr deal

taio · Post by **taio** » Fri Apr 07, 2017 6:30 pm

SalisburyClaret wrote:Whenever I talk about Burnley to supporers of other clubs- They all see Boyd, Keane and Heaton as our best players

Give him a 3 yr deal

No disrespect to Boyd because he's done a very good job for us and could still play a roll going forward, but he's not one of our best players and it's irrelevant with supporters of other clubs think. A one year deal would be sensible if that's agreeable to both parties.

SalisburyClaret · Post by **SalisburyClaret** » Fri Apr 07, 2017 6:40 pm

It's quite important what other supporters think. Assume that not all of the them are wrong - in that case we have a stand out performer in a mid table premier league side.

The cost of replacing him (if it's possible to find someone who has that level of fitness, skill and application when playing out of position), would be way beyond our funds. So we're left having a bit of a gamble - or stick with the excellent player we already have.

Ilkley claret · Post by **Ilkley claret** » Fri Apr 07, 2017 6:49 pm

We only offered Barton a one year deal and look what happened, how good would we have been if Barton had been here all season. Total false economy not to offer Boyd a decent 2 year deal.

Diesel · Post by **Diesel** » Fri Apr 07, 2017 7:01 pm

If he doesn't sign then as soon as we're safe, mathematically, he should be punished and made to play out wide on the right with strict instructions to track back at all times.

I bet the guy is absolutely knackered and can't wait to get up to Scotland.

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Fri Apr 07, 2017 7:33 pm

Made a massive contribution by producing a moment of quality along with Hendrick. He was not the best performing player in the match.
If sponsors are entertaining corporate clients they are not watching the detail of the game. Other clubs fans don't watch our players every week.

boyyanno · Post by **boyyanno** » Fri Apr 07, 2017 7:43 pm

Maybe I look at this differently to others but...if we offer him a two year deal it doesn't mean he definitely stays for those two years. I see it this way:

Offer him a two year deal, he stays for next season and then we can sell him at a cut price before the season after (after making the decision based on what league we are in and if we have needed him). I doubt there would be a shortage of potential buyers. I also think he'd be worth keeping in the squad as our money will need to be spent elsewhere.

RMutt · Post by **RMutt** » Fri Apr 07, 2017 9:15 pm

When Coyle left I defended him. My logic was that a professional sportsman could not be expected to show the type of loyalty to a club as that of a fan. At the end of the day it was his career and he needed to do what was best for him. Part of my logic was the knowledge that fans quickly turn on 'their own' when things start to go wrong, or in the case of Boyd, when things go right, we are on the up, and we feel we can do better. The same was true when the possibility of Barton coming back was mooted. 'No we can do better' was the cry. No loyalty to our man of the previous season. It's easy to see from threads like this why professionals make the decisions they do. I like Boyd and think he deserves a bit more respect than the possibility of him being replaced being discussed before the season is even over.

NRC · Post by **NRC** » Fri Apr 07, 2017 9:27 pm

Rather than it being a derisory offer, anyone considered it's our way of offering something, because we're nice, but really we know in advance the player wouldn't go for it? It's a better equation than "sorry, Georgie, no contract extension."

Burnleyareback2 · Post by **Burnleyareback2** » Fri Apr 07, 2017 10:24 pm

It's a negotiation that's gone public, that's all. If the club offer 2 years his agent will want 3.

Boyd will get his 2 year deal as deserved and for the right price for the club.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Fri Apr 07, 2017 10:28 pm

We want two. We want Two!

Burnleyareback2 · Post by **Burnleyareback2** » Fri Apr 07, 2017 10:38 pm

It's a negotiation, if the club offer 2 his agent asks for 3.

Boyd deserves and will get. 2 year deal.

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Fri Apr 07, 2017 10:45 pm

Sort of decent thing you only miss when its not there, Boyd.

He might not be a first choice next season, but i hope he stays and i'd like to think there's a compromise on the contract situation that can be reached.

Diesel · Post by **Diesel** » Fri Apr 07, 2017 10:48 pm

Be a good Dog George and beg for a new deal, then shake a paw.

CnBtruntru · Post by **CnBtruntru** » Fri Apr 07, 2017 10:59 pm

Been a very good servant to the club and would be missed next season as he usually runs a marathon every game tracking back, if he gets what he wants then would be glad that he stays next season, but going forward we have to start using wingers who can put in crosses and harasses the full backs, he would be missed but we should still be looking for upgrades.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Fri Apr 07, 2017 11:35 pm

Ilkley claret wrote:We only offered Barton a one year deal and look what happened, how good would we have been if Barton had been here all season. Total false economy not to offer Boyd a decent 2 year deal.

I doubt Barton would have played much the first half of the season - Marney and Hendrick would have been first choice IMO.

claretandy · Post by **claretandy** » Sat Apr 08, 2017 9:01 am

1 year with a further year depending on appearances seems fair enough to me.

andyh · Post by **andyh** » Sat Apr 08, 2017 10:03 am

My wife will be gutted... Had a thing for him ever since she chatted to him on holiday in Portugal.

Darthlaw · Post by **Darthlaw** » Sat Apr 08, 2017 12:13 pm

bartons baggage wrote:I think something's gone seriously wrong with some fans expectations.

Yeah it worries me that 1 good game in 4 players are being considered good enough by some fans to be regular starters for us at PL level next year. Even if that 1 game was the most recent one.

To think some are abdicating giving a 31 year old winger, who already has no pace and no creativity, a longer contract in lieu of signing someone better. The expectations of those fans terrifies me although I bet they're belting in a game of 'remember Burnley in the 80's' bingo.

We will have our best budget ever and will be looking to build on staying in the PL (hopefully) so unfortunately some fans will need to cast aside sentimentality for the improvement of the side. Boyd was excellent in his first season, average last season bar the run in and average again for the most part this season. Would he even be in the side if JBG hadn't got injured?

Thanks for the memories George and best wishes for the future. Now onwards and upwards.

bartons baggage · Post by **bartons baggage** » Sat Apr 08, 2017 12:34 pm

You must have noticed the fact that with Dyche it has been about evolution and not revolution.
I recognise the need to upgrade players,but what's the point in spending millions on a pacy winger that wont get played, because he won't do the dirty side of the game.
For us to find a player who does what Boyd does and cause problems in the oppositions half,would cost way more than i suspect we would pay.
And i watched the 80's clarets and would not wish that on anyone.

Darthlaw · Post by **Darthlaw** » Sat Apr 08, 2017 1:14 pm

Adama Traore did it for Boro against Hull. Snodgrass probably would have done it if we'd signed him which shows our intentions financially.

Plus, in the spirit of evolution, maybe we won't want to play with an extra fullback next year, instead looking to attack and take teams on?

KefkaClaret · Post by **KefkaClaret** » Sat Apr 08, 2017 1:36 pm

Let's all be honest, Boyd can't get into a better team than ours.

Mayoclaret · Post by **Mayoclaret** » Sun Apr 09, 2017 11:22 am

Irish Sunday People are linking him today with a move to Aston Villa to team back up with Steve Bruce. Mind you same paper are reporting Spurs lining up a summer swoop for Andre!! Suspect a few agents are busy handing out rumours at the moment.

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Sun Apr 09, 2017 12:46 pm

The problem is we have two George Boyds.
The one that frustrates the fans, but pleases the gaffer, who works his socks off defensively but fails to offer anything going forward.
Then the one who can carry the ball, play one-twos and get in the occasional shot.

He along with the rest of the team played far better going forward yesterday. Playing the ball along the line. Hedrick and Brady occasionally making runs at the defence. Playing balls into Barnes for him to lay off for the running man. It was very like the way we played against Watford early on in the season.
Now if that George is offered two more years I'd be delighted.

I'd be even happier if we continue to try and play this style of football.

I know it's a pipe dream but wouldn't a swap Andre for Tripps be wonderful. On the radio this morning they were asking the question is Trippier the second best right back in the country? Well I think he's the best, and if he played for Burnley still we would have 3 players in the England squad.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Sun Apr 09, 2017 4:55 pm

If Boyd is to stay he needs a new role up front.

Diesel · Post by **Diesel** » Sun Apr 09, 2017 5:06 pm

ablueclaret wrote:If Boyd is to stay he needs a new role up front.

I've been banging on about this for years, you (ablue) jumped on the bandwagon I was driving. (No problem).

This is probably the 5th time I've posted this link. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fO9U5zGEc7s" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Left footed players are rare as it is but George has a bit of flair to go with it, well he did have.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Sun Apr 09, 2017 6:27 pm

Genius can be shared Diesel, but yes it's sad we've rarely seen the player Boyd can be, I fancy he might like to re-discover it himself,

Diesel · Post by **Diesel** » Sun Apr 09, 2017 6:33 pm

ablueclaret wrote:Genius can be shared Diesel, but yes it's sad we've rarely seen the player Boyd can be, I fancy he might like to re-discover it himself,

We've missed the boat I think with this one, shame really.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Sun Apr 09, 2017 7:33 pm

I always thought he'd be ideal behind a target man in a 4-4-1-1. Never happened.
But there is a lot more to GB than work rate.

Dark Cloud · Post by **Dark Cloud** » Sun Apr 09, 2017 8:08 pm

Will ALWAYS divide opinion!

jurek · Post by **jurek** » Sun Apr 09, 2017 8:49 pm

I think the club have got it about right as far from certain Boyd can make
that much of a contribution over the next two years.
He probably has got another two years left in his locker but possibly
at a Championship team.
Be very surprised if any team from the Premiership came in for him.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sun Apr 09, 2017 8:58 pm

I thought he played behind the striker at P'boro and i'd have loved for us to sign him when he failed the eye test medical at Forest. All creativity has been ran out of him, same with Brady.

minnieclaret · Post by **minnieclaret** » Mon Apr 10, 2017 5:13 pm

Aston Villa.
OOC this Summer and the Brum and Hull evening papers reckon Steve Bruce would like to get re-acquainted with our Georgie.

jojomk1 · Post by **jojomk1** » Mon Apr 10, 2017 7:29 pm

Excellent at tracking back and helping out defensively when we are under pressure

But going forward he offers very little - he never tries to take anybody on down the line looking for a cross into the box, but always turns back and passes either inside or behind

Do we want a wide man with pace to attack or a wide man to defend

Ideally, a bit of both, but you won't get the first bit from GB

jrgbfc · Post by **jrgbfc** » Mon Apr 10, 2017 7:38 pm

Agree with the people saying there's more of a footballer in Boyd somewhere, from what I remember from his Peterborough days, unfortunately I think Dyche has knocked it out of him. Maybe he fancies a move somewhere he'd get a bit more freedom to play?

Diesel · Post by **Diesel** » Mon Apr 10, 2017 7:39 pm

jojomk1 wrote:Excellent at tracking back and helping out defensively when we are under pressure

But going forward he offers very little - he never tries to take anybody on down the line looking for a cross into the box, but always turns back and passes either inside or behind

Do we want a wide man with pace to attack or a wide man to defend

Ideally, a bit of both, but you won't get the first bit from GB

He doesn't try to beat his man because he is left footed and is being asked to play on the right, left footed footballers are notoriously weak with their right foot, they very rarely ever use it.

KefkaClaret · Post by **KefkaClaret** » Mon Apr 10, 2017 11:44 pm

Diesel wrote:He doesn't try to beat his man because he is left footed and is being asked to play on the right, left footed footballers are notoriously weak with their right foot, they very rarely ever use it.

Yeah, that Messi lad is one footed

ontario claret · Post by **ontario claret** » Tue Apr 11, 2017 12:09 am

George's best years are definitely behind him, but ut would take a totally hard-hearted supporter not to wish him well if and when he does leave. He's been a very good servant of the club.

Walton · Post by **Walton** » Tue Apr 11, 2017 11:41 am

File in the same drawer as Kightly, he needs to go this summer.

His distance covered per match is a misnomer - he has to run that far as he's five yards off the pace of the game. It's like when you're playing piggy in the middle in training and the lad in the middle never gets near. He's always 5 yards behind. He just hasn't got that knack of being in the right place at the right time. Always 5 yards off.

He could be forgiven if he produced anything going forwards, but he just doesn't. He gets a goal once or twice a year, but next to no assists, which just isn't good enough for one of the attacking positions. In a long ball team, he offers absolutely nothing in the air either.

He'd be the back end of 33 by the end of a 2 year extension.

We must be looking at far better than Boyd if we're to kick on in the PL.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Tue Apr 11, 2017 12:00 pm

This is the one deal that will tell us if Dyche wants to move forward. Boyd has no pace and no confidence to pass the ball forward never mind run forward.
Lots of fans praise his running but he would be in the right place more if he stood still. There's praise for his tracking back but we get by far the most crosses into our box than any other side in the league so it's clearly not working.