What does it cost to become Prime Minister?

[martin_p]

£1billion to secure the votes of a party that normally votes with the tories anyway at a cool £100 million per vote. But don't worry, the people that brought you this spectacular deal are ready to get 'the best deal for Britain' in the Brexit talks.

There is no cause for alarm!

[Saxoman]

Can't have respect for polititions who tell us to be defiant in the face of terror, hidden behind guards for the rest of there days during and after being PM..

Now that Pakistani(?) lady, who knew she was a target for assassination but went to see her supporters in an open top car anyway, that's real brave leadership..

[chorleyhere]

So glad that the little seed planted after the election results, means that the Tories have at last proved that if you put enough manure onto it the little "magic money tree" will spring into life !!
Just wondering which area of expenditure will be cut back to compensate - not the police, not the triple lock, (oh wait -that will need another "magic money tree" to pay for it), not school building controls, surely not the NHS, not the armed forces 2% spending ....... maybe a few more of those covert tax rises the Tories like to slip in ? Anyone fancy paying more for insurance tax??

[RingoMcCartney]

And there appears Racist Ringo spouting his predictable bile

And just what is racist about my post Joey?

Everything I say is true.

Louise Casey produced a 154 report for the government. She said-

Casey said she considered it an uncontested fact that children in Rotherham were “sexually exploited by men who came largely from the Pakistani heritage community” and that not enough was done to acknowledge this, stop it happening, protect children, support victims and apprehend perpetrators.

Casey found that council staff and councillors lacked the confidence to tackle difficult issues “for fear of being seen as racist or upsetting community cohesion”.

Concluding, Casey’s 154-page report said: “The council’s culture is unhealthy: bullying, sexism, suppression and misplaced ‘political correctness’ have cemented its failures.

When concerns were raised about children being exploited and sexually abused in the towns council meeting by concerned councillors. They were met with hissing and shouts of "racist" and "shame on you"

So before you accuse people of spouting "racist bile". Do a bit of research and get your facts right .

[martin_p]

And just what is racist about my post Joey?

Everything I say is true.

Louise Casey produced a 154 report for the government. She said-

Casey said she considered it an uncontested fact that children in Rotherham were “sexually exploited by men who came largely from the Pakistani heritage community” and that not enough was done to acknowledge this, stop it happening, protect children, support victims and apprehend perpetrators.

Casey found that council staff and councillors lacked the confidence to tackle difficult issues “for fear of being seen as racist or upsetting community cohesion”.

Concluding, Casey’s 154-page report said: “The council’s culture is unhealthy: bullying, sexism, suppression and misplaced ‘political correctness’ have cemented its failures.

When concerns were raised about children being exploited and sexually abused in the towns council meeting by concerned councillors. They were met with hissing and shouts of "racist" and "shame on you"

So before you accuse people of spouting "racist bile". Do a bit of research and get your facts right .

So what does it have to do with the thread?

[tiger76]

Exactly the Rotherham case was pathetic, the authorities could and should have acted. Back to the topic in hand though,how can the Tories play the IRA card with Corbyn and Mcdonnell, when they decide to get into bed with loyalist headbangers, they could have run a minority government and dared the opposition to vote down the queen's speech. Most of their manifesto pledges (social care,triple lock,fox hunting have been dropped anyway, i don't see any gain for the Conservatives or the country in this confidence and supply agreement.

[RingoMcCartney]

So what does it have to do with the thread?

Refer to post number 12.

[Clockwork Claret]

Exactly the Rotherham case was pathetic, the authorities could and should have acted. Back to the topic in hand though,how can the Tories play the IRA card with Corbyn and Mcdonnell, when they decide to get into bed with loyalist headbangers, they could have run a minority government and dared the opposition to vote down the queen's speech. Most of their manifesto pledges (social care,triple lock,fox hunting have been dropped anyway, i don't see any gain for the Conservatives or the country in this confidence and supply agreement.

Its about stability.

[martin_p]

Refer to post number 12.

That's not helping given that you start it by asking a different question and then in later posts blame the council rather than the MP.

[martin_p]

Its about stability.

It's about protecting the Consevative party. As was calling an EU referendum as was calling an snap election. Basically we're in the mess we're in because of successive PM looking to protect their party over what's good for the country.

[RingoMcCartney]

That's not helping given that you start it by asking a different question and then in later posts blame the council rather than the MP.

No. You're reading what you want to read.

The left are jumping up n down about the deal with the DUP. Saying May has bought the votes of the DUP in order to keep her in position as PM.

I pointed out that Labour bought the votes of the Pakistan I community in Rotherham.

Don't get bogged down in the MP / council thing. I was simply pointing out what happened when attempts were made to raise the issue.

Rotherham was described as a "rotten borough". Labour bought the votes of the Pakistani community. The price ?
Collusion with social services and the police. And institutional willingness to turn the other way. While children were sexually exploited on an industrial scale

[Greenmile]

Can't have respect for polititions who tell us to be defiant in the face of terror, hidden behind guards for the rest of there days during and after being PM..

Now that Pakistani(?) lady, who knew she was a target for assassination but went to see her supporters in an open top car anyway, that's real brave leadership..

Do you mean Benazir Bhutto (who was assassinated), or maybe Indira Gandhi (who was Indian....and was also assassinated)?

[martin_p]

No. You're reading what you want to read.

The left are jumping up n down about the deal with the DUP. Saying May has bought the votes of the DUP in order to keep her in position as PM.

I pointed out that Labour bought the votes of the Pakistan I community in Rotherham.

Don't get bogged down in the MP / council thing. I was simply pointing out what happened when attempts were made to raise the issue.

Rotherham was described as a "rotten borough". Labour bought the votes of the Pakistani community. The price ?
Collusion with social services and the police. And institutional willingness to turn the other way.

No, I'm reading exactly what you wrote.

[RingoMcCartney]

No, I'm reading exactly what you wrote.

So what's your point?

Do you not agree that the left shouldn't try and take the moral high ground. Based on what happened in Rotherham and Rochdale for that matter?

What you getting at?

[If it be your will]

.

[martin_p]

So what's your point?

Do you not agree that the left shouldn't try and take the moral high ground. Based on what happened in Rotherham and Rochdale for that matter?

What you getting at?

It's got absolutely nothing to do with the subject of the thread. If you had any sort of point there wouldn't be a Labour MP in Rotherham anymore.

[RingoMcCartney]

It's got absolutely nothing to do with the subject of the thread. If you had any sort of point there wouldn't be a Labour MP in Rotherham anymore.

Utter garbage.

In YOUR OPINION it's irrelevant. In mine it's not.

Perhaps the uncomfortable truth, touches a raw nerve eh?!

And the 154 page report? Just written off eh! And the recent drama on the BBC. 3 girls, about what happened in Rochdale. They've just returned a Labour MP. Does not disprove my point what so ever, and your assertion that it does, cos you want it to. Doesn't either.

[Imploding Turtle]

What's the price of being a Labour MP in Rotherham?

Insitutional silence and inaction.

When 1400 innocent children were raped , abused and even f**** branded, yes branded. By Pakistani racist grooming gangs, were allowed to avoid justice. In the name of "social cohesion" and "cultural sensitivities" In order for the understanding that the PakistanI vote would be a Labour vote.

The same in Rochdale.

When it comes to accusations of buying votes. Labour should wind their necks in.......

Is there anyone you disagree with that shouldn't "wind their necks in"?

[RingoMcCartney]

Is there anyone you disagree with that shouldn't "wind their necks in"?

I dont engage with an idiot because you will drag me down to your level and then beat me with experience.


Move along.

[Imploding Turtle]

I dont engage with an idiot because you will drag me down to your level and then beat me with experience.


Move along.

Celebrated any Islamic attacks recently?

[Greenmile]

So what's your point?

Do you not agree that the left shouldn't try and take the moral high ground. Based on what happened in Rotherham and Rochdale for that matter?

What you getting at?

So "the left" shouldn't criticise the Tories for anything, for fear of you shoe-horning your BNP talking points into the discussion?

[RingoMcCartney]

So "the left" shouldn't criticise the Tories for anything, for fear of you shoe-horning your BNP talking points into the discussion?

Nice try ! See my previous post to you imploding claret and jew or whatever your current alias is

[Imploding Turtle]

Oh yes. I forgot. anyone that disagrees with you is me.

[Bacchus]

And just what is racist about my post Joey?

Maybe if you didn't hijack every thread with another one-eyed, barely-informed rant about Muslims people wouldn't have you pegged as a racist. Just a thought.

[martin_p]

Utter garbage.

In YOUR OPINION it's irrelevant. In mine it's not.

Perhaps the uncomfortable truth, touches a raw nerve eh?!

And the 154 page report? Just written off eh! And the recent drama on the BBC. 3 girls, about what happened in Rochdale. They've just returned a Labour MP. Does not disprove my point what so ever, and your assertion that it does, cos you want it to. Doesn't either.

Oh well, if you can't beat them join them!

You're wrong because I say you are and because you're wrong you're clearly comfortable with the abuse of young girls. I'm not going to backup my argument you'll just have to accept I'm right.

[jlup1980]

This thread appears to have turned into some sort of Daily Mail / Express / The Sun attempt to cover up what the Tories have actually done.

Why should Labour supporters wind their necks in. Would Tory supporters have done the same had this been Corbyn doing a deal with Sinn Fein?!

What's happening in this country right now is nothing short of an abomination. The Tories have sold their soul for £1 billion and in doing so have immediately shown the EU that they'll do pretty much anything to stay in power. I bet they can't wait for Brexit negotiations. Theresa May will be over a barrel from day one.

I'll wind my neck in when a Tory supporter can tell me one good thing about this deal with the DUP. Stop deflecting and bringing in arguments that have absolutely nothing to do with the current situation at number 10 (Rotherham and Rochdale for example).

How will the Tories not absolutely destroy this country if they continue down this path? What happens to peace negotiations in Northern Ireland? How do they stop division across the rest of the UK.. the Welsh, the Scots, the English? NHS funding, school funding, emergency services etc etc... Theresa May is the most dangerous leader this country has ever had because she has no morals. At least Thatcher believed in an ideal. May just wants the power at any cost and it won't end well.

[RingoMcCartney]

Oh well, if you can't beat them join them!

You're wrong because I say you are and because you're wrong you're clearly comfortable with the abuse of young girls. I'm not going to backup my argument you'll just have to accept I'm right.

I'll guarantee that what you've just posted . You woudlnt say to my face.

[Lancasterclaret]

Its Ringo hijacking a thread.

You don't like Muslims, we get it.

[jlup1980]

I wrote that last reply before seeing today's front pages. The Daily Mail / Express / The Sun are laughable. They really are. It's almost as if this dirty bung never happened. My only surprise is they've not gone with some made up story about Corbyn as a deflection. Maybe even they couldn't bring themselves to stoop so low.

[UpTheBeehole]

This forum would be 1000x times better if Ringo was banned.

[boatshed bill]

This thread appears to have turned into some sort of Daily Mail / Express / The Sun attempt to cover up what the Tories have actually done.

Why should Labour supporters wind their necks in. Would Tory supporters have done the same had this been Corbyn doing a deal with Sinn Fein?!

What's happening in this country right now is nothing short of an abomination. The Tories have sold their soul for £1 billion and in doing so have immediately shown the EU that they'll do pretty much anything to stay in power. I bet they can't wait for Brexit negotiations. Theresa May will be over a barrel from day one.

I'll wind my neck in when a Tory supporter can tell me one good thing about this deal with the DUP. Stop deflecting and bringing in arguments that have absolutely nothing to do with the current situation at number 10 (Rotherham and Rochdale for example).

How will the Tories not absolutely destroy this country if they continue down this path? What happens to peace negotiations in Northern Ireland? How do they stop division across the rest of the UK.. the Welsh, the Scots, the English? NHS funding, school funding, emergency services etc etc... Theresa May is the most dangerous leader this country has ever had because she has no morals. At least Thatcher believed in an ideal. May just wants the power at any cost and it won't end well.

Well said!

[RingoMcCartney]

Its Ringo hijacking a thread.

You don't like Muslims, we get it.

Don't like hypocracy.

The left are jumping up ndown about a "bribe" to the DUP

Labour paid a bribe in Rotherham and Rochdale. Innocent young children was the price.......

[Lancasterclaret]

Bullshit

-thats to your reasons for entering the thread, not to what happened in Rotherham, just in case you try to make it all about your agenda again.

[RingoMcCartney]

Bullshit

-thats to your reasons for entering the thread, not to what happened in Rotherham, just in case you try to make it all about your agenda again.

It's not my "agenda".

Just calling out hypocrisy lancs.

[Lancasterclaret]

Every thread that you contribute to thou Ringo

You do make some fair points, but a hell of a lot of bad/unacceptable ones.

This is about a deal with a particular unpleasant political party in a rather messed up part of the Uk (due to centuries of mistakes by everybody) that gives them clout over their Catholic neighbours which we as a country implicitly in 1991 guaranteed to be neutral in.

I don't really care if it keeps the Tories in power, its a deal, its just the dangers to the Good Friday Agreement that this represents, and thats before you add the complications of Brexit for NI.

No deal is worth the end of peace in NI.

[nil_desperandum]

Its about stability.

I presume you mean that the deal with the DUP creates stability, whereas actually it's exactly the opposite.
It destabilizes the entire UK and gains nothing for Theresa May. She has now demonstrated that she can be held to ransom by any minority, and is open to further blackmail from the DUP.
As has been clearly stated, the DUP would have had no option but to vote with her minority administration - as in the past, so why offer a formal deal , that flings wide open the door for further exploitation?.
If this is going to be her approach in the Brexit talks, then even the most rabid Brexiteer must fear the worst.

[RingoMcCartney]

Every thread that you contribute to thou Ringo

You do make some fair points, but a hell of a lot of bad/unacceptable ones.

This is about a deal with a particular unpleasant political party in a rather messed up part of the Uk (due to centuries of mistakes by everybody) that gives them clout over their Catholic neighbours which we as a country implicitly in 1991 guaranteed to be neutral in.

I don't really care if it keeps the Tories in power, its a deal, its just the dangers to the Good Friday Agreement that this represents, and thats before you add the complications of Brexit for NI.

No deal is worth the end of peace in NI.

Labour tried to do a deal with the DUP immediately after the 2010 election.

When asked if the party would publish the details. Keir Starmer, this morning, said "I wasn't in the commons then" and was very reluctant to let the public see that Labour were prepared to do exactly what the Tories have done.

[Greenmile]

I'll guarantee that what you've just posted . You woudlnt say to my face.

"If you said this to me in real life, I'd hit you, so that proves you're wrong"

[Lancasterclaret]

But they didn't Ringo.

They didn't make the deal.

This lot have, and they have to keep themselves in power.

Northern Ireland is a valuable part of the UK but its got unique problems that the good friday agreement actually managed to bridge.

This risks it. Its not worth it.

[jlup1980]

More and more deflection....

Hey everyone, look at what Labour nearly did in the past before Corbyn was Leader. Look at Jeremy Corbyn at Glastonbury talking to "hipsters". Look at these photos of Corbyn from about 40 years ago, isn't he a bad man. Labour are bad. Remember we're the strong and stable ones (we have absolutely nothing to back this up by the way, not even a costed manifesto but don't worry about that, we can sweep it under the carpet along with the £1 billion extra payment to the DUP). Corbyn is a terrorist sympathiser you know. He's think Britain is to blame for the attacks we suffered under Tory leadership. Labour are to blame for child abuse as well. Boo, naughty Labour. We're strong and stable. WE'RE STRONG AND STABLE. Repeat after me... strong and stable... oh and read The Daily Mail if you want to know the truth (we don't pay them to discredit anyone who tries to accuse us of any wrong doing... honest)!!

What other rubbish can the Tories come up with to support this sham of a government? Anyone who can support what has happened, not what nearly happened or could happen under a Labour government; what has actually happened right under our noses, in plain sight, needs to open their eyes.

[RingoMcCartney]

But they didn't Ringo.

They didn't make the deal.

This lot have, and they have to keep themselves in power.

Northern Ireland is a valuable part of the UK but its got unique problems that the good friday agreement actually managed to bridge.

This risks it. Its not worth it.

It's not a deal that gives a billion quid to the DUP.

It going to NI for amongst other things infa structure. Something that the left having been calling for.

So there you have it. Labour say theyd boost the economy with investment like this. And they've previously tried to do identical deals ( they're not prepared to let the public see the details!!! Hahaha) And as we all know. They're more than happy to help cover up industrial scale child abuse to secure MPs.

Just like I said in my original post 12. They should stop trying to take the moral high ground and wind their necks in

[Lancasterclaret]

Its like you don't want to read beyond what you know Ringo.

All the points you make are valid, but you are not wanting to see the links between the Good Friday Agreement and the UK Government. We have guaranteed to be a neutral judge in Northern Ireland devolution.

An electoral pact with the DUP makes such neutrality impossible.

Again, whats more important?

Theresa May and the Tories staying in power, or the Good Friday Agreement?

[Lancasterclaret]

Tweet from James o'Brein sums it up in simple language that we can all understand

"Imagine for a moment that one of Prime Minister Corbyn's first acts had been to gift £1 billion to Sinn Fein. Should reaction be identical?"

[mkmel]

The right wing Sun today have said

"A Five year Parliament power deal struck yesterday between the Conservatives and the DUP will cost taxpayers £24.3billion"

[jlup1980]

Again, whats more important?

Theresa May and the Tories staying in power, or the Good Friday Agreement?

For Theresa May the answer is obvious. She wants power at any cost. Let's not forget that this entire mess has been born out of her calling a snap election she said she wouldn't call. That little fact seems to have been forgotten already. She started this whole thing with a lie and currently she's lost in a world of u-turns and dropped policies. She's shown herself to be weak, manipulative and a liar. Where do we go from here? Brexit, that's where. Great!!

[Damo]

I'll wind my neck in when a Tory supporter can tell me one good thing about this deal with the DUP.

It eliminates any possibility of Corbyn ruining the economy

[Lancasterclaret]

It works for you Damo, it clearly doesn't work for everyone or May would have an majority

[Mala591]

£1 billion extra investment in Northern Ireland's infrastructure/healthcare/education.

What a great reason for the catholics/protestants/atheists to celebrate. Get down the pub this weekend and buy each other a drink.

[fatboy47]

Rowls is quiet these days.

[Lancasterclaret]

He's currently filling in forms to make sure he's allowed to stay in France.