ARTICLE: Clarets sign Stoke favourite Walters

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Fri Jul 07, 2017 10:33 pm

The framework looking even more rigid, and before long rusty.

Cleveleys_claret · Post by **Cleveleys_claret** » Fri Jul 07, 2017 10:38 pm

ablueclaret wrote:The framework looking even more rigid, and before long rusty.

I doubt you watch much football as regardless of being 2 years older he is a much better player than Boyd. Also he allows the framework to change more due being able play anywhere across the midfield or up front

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Fri Jul 07, 2017 10:41 pm

The chances get greater the older you are, for me the money could have been spent more wisely finding a long -term solution rather than a quick fix.

Stoke have twice done us, hopefully it will be third time lucky.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Fri Jul 07, 2017 10:41 pm

ablueclaret wrote:At that age one injury away from retirement, a very short term solution for a long-term problem suggesting we haven't got many cards up our sleeves

Any player is one injury away from retirement

I'm also noticing other posters assuming we will stick with 4-4-2 this coming season, even though Dyche didn't for the whole of last season.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Fri Jul 07, 2017 10:42 pm

Look at Marney, the older you get the harder to recover from injury.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Fri Jul 07, 2017 10:43 pm

ablueclaret wrote:The chances get greater the older you are, for me the money could have been spent more wisely finding a long -term solution rather than a quick fix.

Stoke have twice done us, hopefully it will be third time lucky.

Yes, we know you'd rather sign a Scottish lad who's done very little for a couple of years over in Portugal.

£2-3 million for a player who fits in our wage structure and has spent the last 7yrs in the PL making nearly 230 league appearances is a small gamble.
You could at least do what a lot of us are willing to do and give him a decent chance.

He could well help us see games out where we are only a goal in front.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Fri Jul 07, 2017 10:44 pm

ablueclaret wrote:Look at Marney, the older you get the harder to recover from injury.

Look at Ings, Jay Rod, McCann...

Spiral · Post by **Spiral** » Fri Jul 07, 2017 10:45 pm

Peak Dyche.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Fri Jul 07, 2017 10:48 pm

Yes Jay Rod is back, McCann played again after injury, Ings may well do, the younger you are the easier to recover.
I don't buy into Walters signing. because it reeks of that stolid framework.

We need some exciting players with pace and skill and a future, Taylor gives us. that, and that is the template that we should be working from.
I hope Walters is successful, but for me it doesn't cut the mustard.

bodge · Post by **bodge** » Fri Jul 07, 2017 10:50 pm

I'm sure he will be deployed wide most of the time and that allows Dyche to be more flexible in his substitutions as instead of a like for like replacement in attack he can stick a wide man on and put Walters up top if he sees fit.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Fri Jul 07, 2017 10:52 pm

I'm not saying he shouldn't be supported as a player, just that for me it's the wrong option.

I realise people see him as a short term fix who can keep us up for another season, perhaps they will be proved right, but for me we should have bigger aims, we should be looking for players to take us to the next level, for me Walters is a defensive signing, and that isn't the direction I want to see this club head.
As a club survival has become the mantra, for me it is a recipe for failure.

ksrclaret · Post by **ksrclaret** » Fri Jul 07, 2017 10:54 pm

Quite a shrewd signing I think, and I hope he'll allow us to play 4-5-1 more often as he'd really suit one of those wide positions. Hitting diagonals up to him could be a useful tactic when we're under pressure.

He looks like a very fit lad too, pretty much a standard ready-made Dyche player.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Fri Jul 07, 2017 10:56 pm

Cleveleys_claret wrote:Any player regardless of age is one injury away from retirement

That would certainly have been true in the past, but they seem to be able to rebuild almost any player these days.

get your point though

Spiral · Post by **Spiral** » Fri Jul 07, 2017 10:59 pm

ksrclaret wrote:Hitting diagonals up to him could be a useful tactic when we're under pressure.

450 quid well spent.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Fri Jul 07, 2017 11:02 pm

Cleveleys_claret wrote:Any player regardless of age is one injury away from retirement

Correct.

ksrclaret · Post by **ksrclaret** » Fri Jul 07, 2017 11:02 pm

Spiral wrote:450 quid well spent.

Would you prefer the cheaper prices of the Championship?

Spiral · Post by **Spiral** » Fri Jul 07, 2017 11:03 pm

Championship isn't any cheaper.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Fri Jul 07, 2017 11:04 pm

By golly our attack looks dynamic.

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Fri Jul 07, 2017 11:08 pm

ablueclaret wrote:By golly our attack looks dynamic.

Had the window shut, your points would be valid.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Fri Jul 07, 2017 11:12 pm

Vokes Walters Barnes, perhaps not three peas in a pod, but stolid rather than quicksilver.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Fri Jul 07, 2017 11:13 pm

ablueclaret wrote:Yes Jay Rod is back, McCann played again after injury, Ings may well do, the younger you are the easier to recover.
I don't buy into Walters signing. because it reeks of that stolid framework.

We need some exciting players with pace and skill and a future, Taylor gives us. that, and that is the template that we should be working from.
I hope Walters is successful, but for me it doesn't cut the mustard.

McCann was never the same player, his career trajectory proved that.

Ings - has stated this week he doesn't know when he will be fit.

Jay Rod - still has to recover his pre injury form but he was out a long time.

Why doesn't Walters cut the mustard for you?

Masses of experience, fits in the wage structure, has proven he's a fighter, helped a team establish itself in the PL, passed the medical, he's cheap.

So come on, lets hear your list of reasons why you don't rate him.
Or is it you'll struggle to complain about him compared to a kid who's done little in Portugal?
We all know you'd be the first to nail the Scottish lad and the club to a cross if we signed him and he was gash.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Fri Jul 07, 2017 11:13 pm

ablueclaret wrote:Vokes Walters Barnes, perhaps not three peas in a pod, but stolid rather than quicksilver.

They'd be tough to play against though.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Fri Jul 07, 2017 11:18 pm

I have never nailed the club for signing young players.
I have said we are pretty inept when it comes to signing from the continent, the evidence proves my point.
When it comes to Walters who is a decent player no doubt I just see it as a negative move by a club looking at survival rather than kicking on.
I appreciate you and others think differently but for me it's bright young players we need with something to prove.
Yes Walters is an SD sort of player and I'm sure he'll get the best out of him, but for me at least I was hoping SD might just see the need to progress.
This signing makes me realise we are in for more of the same, fine by you I know, but I'm looking for something better.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Fri Jul 07, 2017 11:18 pm

And tough to watch.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Fri Jul 07, 2017 11:21 pm

So you don't want experienced players to sign for us?

You'd rather we signed inexperienced players who could ultimately end up costing us survival if they made an error?

Ok, glad we cleared that up.

Yet the main reason we survived was down to a nice mix of experienced PL players and younger less experienced ones...

Barton, Marney, Lowton, Heaton, Mee, Boyd.
Mixed in with Keane, Gray, Hendrick, Vokes etc.

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Fri Jul 07, 2017 11:27 pm

Bet Huddersfield wish they'd got him.....

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Fri Jul 07, 2017 11:37 pm

We have enough experience already in this squad what we need is dynamism, Taylor provides that, Walters to my eyes does not.
As a rule of thumb I'd make 28 the maximum age for signing a player, unless that player was to become the fulcrum of the side, was a free transfer, was an exceptional player or allowed you to play a wholly different game plan.
The only one of those Walters might fit is the last but I fancy he has been bought to keep the fame work just as it is.
About this signing we will have to disagree. I hope he does well despite my misgivings.

ClaretLoup · Post by **ClaretLoup** » Fri Jul 07, 2017 11:39 pm

So if Burnley had the money you would not have signed Ibrahimovic last season?

Tribesmen · Post by **Tribesmen** » Fri Jul 07, 2017 11:46 pm

Ahhhhh we got him , sorry so far behind today it's only now that i can sit down and read the this thread .
Jon will do a very good job , he is such a great pro and the thing that he wanted to come to Burnley speaks for its'self .
Trust me we will all fall in love him , he is a grafter and will prove his doubters wrong .

See him in Dublin next week .

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Fri Jul 07, 2017 11:47 pm

Another grafter, a team of grafters,, oh for a bit of that old Burnley flair.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Fri Jul 07, 2017 11:49 pm

I wouldn't have signed Ibrahimovic, but he probably does fall into my category of exceptional player who might be viewed as an exception.

ClaretLoup · Post by **ClaretLoup** » Fri Jul 07, 2017 11:54 pm

Nice bit of flair for his opening goal vs the Clarets at Stoke last season. A few of those will do well.

For me Walters big asset win be holding on to the ball deep in the opposition half to bring us up the field more. Something we do not really have at the moment.

Braindead · Post by **Braindead** » Fri Jul 07, 2017 11:55 pm

ablueclaret wrote:I wouldn't have signed Ibrahimovic, but he probably does fall into my category of exceptional player who might be viewed as an exception.

What about Barton? Or Kevin Ball? Or Graham Alexander? Or Adrian Heath?
All players in their early to mid thirties when they joined us, all of whom were excellent.

Claretmatt4 · Post by **Claretmatt4** » Fri Jul 07, 2017 11:58 pm

ablueclaret wrote:Another grafter, a team of grafters,, oh for a bit of that old Burnley flair.

A team of grafters in the premier league.

We had a bit of old Burnley flair in the fourth division. Maybe you don't remember? We were ******* ****.

Rome wasn't built in a day.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Fri Jul 07, 2017 11:59 pm

ablueclaret wrote:We have enough experience already in this squad what we need is dynamism, Taylor provides that, Walters to my eyes does not.
As a rule of thumb I'd make 28 the maximum age for signing a player, unless that player was to become the fulcrum of the side, was a free transfer, was an exceptional player or allowed you to play a wholly different game plan.
The only one of those Walters might fit is the last but I fancy he has been bought to keep the fame work just as it is.
About this signing we will have to disagree. I hope he does well despite my misgivings.

Great idea to pluck an arbitrary figure out of the air and use it as a maximum age limit for any potential signing. Even by your standards that is stupid beyond belief.

Braindead · Post by **Braindead** » Sat Jul 08, 2017 12:02 am

ablueclaret wrote: As a rule of thumb I'd make 28 the maximum age for signing a player, unless that player was to become the fulcrum of the side, was a free transfer, was an exceptional player or allowed you to play a wholly different game plan.

That is batshit mental.

Even for you.

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Sat Jul 08, 2017 12:04 am

Rather than look at it with "misgivings", why can't you just for once in your
miserable, negative life-view, see that it might, just MIGHT be what the
squad/ team needs? As I say, rather than automatically pouring cold water
on proceedings, just embrace it. Once. Just once.

ClaretLoup · Post by **ClaretLoup** » Sat Jul 08, 2017 12:27 am

Unfortunately for Ablueclaret the last 50 years in football seem to have passed him by. The days when you could bring in teenagers like Taffy and Dave Thomas with "flair" straight into the first team from the youth system are long gone. Sad but true.

Cajun · Post by **Cajun** » Sat Jul 08, 2017 12:51 am

Excellent signing.

bf2k · Post by **bf2k** » Sat Jul 08, 2017 1:01 am

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RammyClaret61 · Post by **RammyClaret61** » Sat Jul 08, 2017 6:55 am

Ablue, We need to be in this league a couple more years begore we start spending big on flair players. You say we've signed Walters for a quick fix. Could it also not be said we've signed him to consolidate another season in this league. You might recall our youth and training facilities have only just been upgraded. We've moved up a catogory and now playing competitive games at that level. It's going to take a couple of years for that to produce the "conveyer belt" you crave. So a player like Walters in my opinion is here to help keep our status.

Ps: must be nearly time for you to post your annual "Dyche gone by Christmas" thread.

Fez · Post by **Fez** » Sat Jul 08, 2017 6:58 am

3-5-2 with walters on the bench

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Sat Jul 08, 2017 7:14 am

Devils_Advocate wrote:Seen an awful lot of enthusiasm for what seems a very meh signing to me so with that in mind what do people see as the role Walters will fulfil?

Will he replace Boyd in a 4-4-2' do you expect him to be starting ahead of Vokes and Barnes, will he partner one of them or is he just a squad man and third or fourth choice striker?

I think in Barnes and Vokes we have two very hard working players with fantastic attitudes and team ethic but who are not quite up to being a first choice premier league striker. My concern is that Walters is exactly the same and we end up with three great third choice strikers good for the bench but lacking in real quality up top if Dyche perseveres with his favoured 4-4-2

A few people gave some good answers to this then Ablue took the thread away on his own tangent but I'm really interested to see where people enthused by this signing see him slotting in and where they think this leaves Vokes and Barnes

Bertiebeehead · Post by **Bertiebeehead** » Sat Jul 08, 2017 7:21 am

ablueclaret wrote:I wouldn't have signed Ibrahimovic, but he probably does fall into my category of exceptional player who might be viewed as an exception.

You get back to planting courgettes on your allotment and let Sean worry about the football love.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Sat Jul 08, 2017 7:29 am

Too late for planting them now Bertie, the ground is becoming bone dry, but the ones planted in May are now producing well.
Hope we get as good a return on the field of play.
Regards
abc

Hipper · Post by **Hipper** » Sat Jul 08, 2017 9:14 am

I see him as a regular first teamer.

Presumably they did a similar medical on Defour. It would be interesting to know the outcome of that.

Hipper · Post by **Hipper** » Sat Jul 08, 2017 9:19 am

ablueclaret wrote:Yes Walters is an SD sort of player and I'm sure he'll get the best out of him, but for me at least I was hoping SD might just see the need to progress.

This IS progress. Which player in our squad is as good as Walters?

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Sat Jul 08, 2017 9:53 am

If this is progress I must be watching the wrong game.

Ings was progress, Trippier was progress, Keane was progress, Mee was progress

This is consolidation.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sat Jul 08, 2017 9:55 am

So you wont answer the question asked by Hipper....unsurprising.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sat Jul 08, 2017 9:56 am

ablueclaret wrote:If this is progress I must be watching the wrong game.

Ings was progress, Trippier was progress, Keane was progress, Mee was progress

This is consolidation.

Consolidation of our PL status?
That's progress from staying up after a single season.