50 years since decriminalisation of homosexuality

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 1:55 pm

Blackrod wrote:The pride thing is about ramming it down your throat. Everybody will like this and if they don't they are barbaric old fashioned and a fascist. I'm not interested in either a heterosexual or gay march. I know people who have many gay friends and others that are repulsed by them. People are entitled to their own views either way.

Maybe you'd feel different if you were suddenly being forced to hide your heterosexuality due to the teachings of a book...

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 1:58 pm

Homosexuality was still classified as an illness in Sweden in 1979. Swedes protested by calling in sick to work saying they felt 'gay'.

Source: https://twitter.com/Fact/status/882770072581926913" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Flatline · Post by **Flatline** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 2:10 pm

Sidney1st wrote:How about 2k yrs of conditioning to hate LBGT people?
If generations of your family went to church and were told being gay was a sin, this ultimately gets passed down the line.

Same when its incorporated into law.
Old habits die hard.

I don't remember being taught to hate people when I went to church or by any of my family from three generations.

The whole Gay Pride thing I find very ungodly especially with the hijacking of the Rainbow.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 2:13 pm

Flatline wrote:I don't remember being taught to hate people when I went to church or by any of my family from three generations.

The whole Gay Pride thing I find very ungodly especially with the hijacking of the Rainbow.

If you're told it's a sin you'll dispprove of it.

As for it being ungodly, it's been going on for longer than your church/religion has existed so what right does your religion have to label it?

NRC · Post by **NRC** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 2:17 pm

On a different thread there was a spat about not being able to have an opinion of how one might feel in the future, therefore having to base on opinion on past experience.

Y'all should experience the sensation of buggering or being buggered before commenting on this thread. Try it, you might see...

Flatline · Post by **Flatline** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 2:20 pm

Sidney1st wrote:If you're told it's a sin you'll dispprove of it.

As for it being ungodly, it's been going on for longer than your church/religion has existed so what right does your religion have to label it?

As I said I never got taught to hate at Church or my RC school for that matter.

It hasn't been going on longer either as God made Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 2:22 pm

Flatline wrote:As I said I never got taught to hate at Church or my RC school for that matter.

It hasn't been going on longer either as God made Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve.

Mate, tell me you don't actually believe that?

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 2:27 pm

Flatline wrote:As I said I never got taught to hate at Church or my RC school for that matter.

It hasn't been going on longer either as God made Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve.

If your god created a man and woman in what form were they made?
How we know man to look like today, or Neanderthal man?
Were they white, or black as its accepted that modern man originated from Africa?

Why is Jesus depicted as a white bloke when it's odds on he wasn't?
Do you agree that the depiction of Jesus is actually the image of one of the popes from around 500AD?

If the Romans hadn't taken Christianity and made it their primarily religion do you think it would be as big now or it would've died out?
Why does Christianity share many of the same beliefs and values as Islam yet they've spent hundreds of years fighting each other and they're classed as being part of the same branch of religion, Abrahamic, along with Judaism?

Everything that happened in the world before Judaism, Christianity and Islam, how can that be defined by your religious beliefs?

spadesclaret · Post by **spadesclaret** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 2:31 pm

Sidney1st wrote:
As for it being ungodly, it's been going on for longer than your church/religion has existed so what right does your religion have to label it?

Murder and rape have also been going on for longer than most churches/religions. Does his church/religion have no right to label them?

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 2:32 pm

There's actually been tests done with science, that indicates being gay isn't a choice - it's related to the brain. Gay men and heterosexual women have similarly shaped brains and are structured the same. Which of course, makes complete sense when you think about it. Most brains are attracted to the opposite sex, but it stands to reason that people who like the same sex, do so because of the brain. So it's never a choice. People don't choose to be gay.

Flatline · Post by **Flatline** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 2:32 pm

Rileybobs wrote:Mate, tell me you don't actually believe that?

Don't worry about it Rileybobs,it's free choice to believe whatever you want.

Siddo · Post by **Siddo** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 2:35 pm

Sidney1st wrote:If your god created a man and woman in what form were they made?
How we know man to look like today, or Neanderthal man?
Were they white, or black as its accepted that modern man originated from Africa?

Why is Jesus depicted as a white bloke when it's odds on he wasn't?
Do you agree that the depiction of Jesus is actually the image of one of the popes from around 500AD?

If the Romans hadn't taken Christianity and made it their primarily religion do you think it would be as big now or it would've died out?
Why does Christianity share many of the same beliefs and values as Islam yet they've spent hundreds of years fighting each other and they're classed as being part of the same branch of religion, Abrahamic, along with Judaism?

Everything that happened in the world before Judaism, Christianity and Islam, how can that be defined by your religious beliefs?

Please can you post a reply without using the word "Abrahamic"

Can you also stop twisting replies to suit your responses.

I'm not sure I've seen one person hog a particular thread in such a way. Is there a reason for it?

Flatline · Post by **Flatline** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 2:41 pm

Sidney1st wrote:If your god created a man and woman in what form were they made?
How we know man to look like today, or Neanderthal man?
Were they white, or black as its accepted that modern man originated from Africa?

Why is Jesus depicted as a white bloke when it's odds on he wasn't?
Do you agree that the depiction of Jesus is actually the image of one of the popes from around 500AD?

If the Romans hadn't taken Christianity and made it their primarily religion do you think it would be as big now or it would've died out?
Why does Christianity share many of the same beliefs and values as Islam yet they've spent hundreds of years fighting each other and they're classed as being part of the same branch of religion, Abrahamic, along with Judaism?

Everything that happened in the world before Judaism, Christianity and Islam, how can that be defined by your religious beliefs?

Yeah it's all a bit confusing isn't it.It's all about the faith though,History has been fabricated many times,it's up to the individual to work it out if he can be bothered.

NRC · Post by **NRC** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 2:42 pm

FactualFrank wrote:People don't choose to be gay.

That's nonsense FF, not a fact at all. As long as people have the brains you refer to they are capable of making choices to their gender preference above and beyond any chromosome or brain-twist based drivers.

Women can prefer women simply because they think men are dicks. And men can prefer men because they get to play with a penis too

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 2:42 pm

Flatline wrote:Don't worry about it Rileybobs,it's free choice to believe whatever you want.

Of course it is, believe what you want. It's just incredible to me that considering the overwhelming evidence supporting the 'theory' of evolution that anyone would believe that humanity started when god created Adam and Eve.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 2:47 pm

Siddo wrote:Please can you post a reply without using the word "Abrahamic"

Can you also stop twisting replies to suit your responses.

I'm not sure I've seen one person hog a particular thread in such a way. Is there a reason for it?

It's a consensus that's agreed on in regards to those 3 religions.

They all agree Abraham was the first prophet of the deity they believe.
They have some of the same stories, see Sodom & Gomorrah.
They have similar beliefs of what constitutes a sin.
They've all used violence to force their beliefs on others.

If you don't like me using the word Abrahamic, talk to the followers of what are basically different branches of the same belief, it isn't my fault they're all reading from a similar story.

If anything Christianity and Islam are copies of Judaism as that was the first of the 3.

What replies have I twisted?
It's a topic of discussion, is that forbidden now?

If I've offended anyone, they'll tell me I have, but as yet I don't think I have and it's actually a good discussion.

Flatline · Post by **Flatline** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 2:49 pm

Rileybobs wrote:Of course it is, believe what you want. It's just incredible to me that considering the overwhelming evidence supporting the 'theory' of evolution that anyone would believe that humanity started when god created Adam and Eve.

What overwhelming evidence?
I'd say the overwhelming evidence is there isn't any.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 2:49 pm

spadesclaret wrote:Murder and rape have also been going on for longer than most churches/religions. Does his church/religion have no right to label them?

Murder and rape is a choice made by people.

Homosexuality has been proven to be something people are from birth, if not before.
That's how their brains are wired up.

Of course that wasn't a known fact 2k yrs ago, but now it's proven, maybe it shouldn't be classed as a sin and treated as such.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 2:50 pm

Flatline wrote:What overwhelming evidence?
I'd say the overwhelming evidence is there isn't any.

So the proven evolution of man from their earliest beginnings to now....

Which of those stages did a God decide was his own image?

Greenmile · Post by **Greenmile** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 2:54 pm

Flatline wrote:As I said I never got taught to hate at Church or my RC school for that matter.

It hasn't been going on longer either as God made Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve.

Your comment re "Adam and Steve" and Pride being "ungodly" are pretty hateful, imo, and if you didn't learn those attitudes from your church, I'd be very surprised, given your choice of phrasing.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 2:57 pm

Flatline wrote:What overwhelming evidence?
I'd say the overwhelming evidence is there isn't any.

There's plenty of evidence to support the theory of evolution, there's no evidence to support the creation of Adam and Eve. You've made your mind up though so that's fine.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 2:58 pm

Greenmile wrote:Your comment re "Adam and Steve" and Pride being "ungodly" are pretty hateful, imo, and if you didn't learn those attitudes from your church, I'd be very surprised, given your choice of phrasing.

What about the gays hijacking the rainbow?

Flatline · Post by **Flatline** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 2:58 pm

Sidney1st wrote:Murder and rape is a choice made by people.

Homosexuality has been proven to be something people are from birth, if not before.
That's how their brains are wired up.

Of course that wasn't a known fact 2k yrs ago, but now it's proven, maybe it shouldn't be classed as a sin and treated as such.

You can't rewrite religions to suit your own agenda that are based on God's word,otherwise it becomes a nothing religion.

Greenmile · Post by **Greenmile** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 3:00 pm

Rileybobs wrote:What about the gays hijacking the rainbow?

From whom? God?

Greenmile · Post by **Greenmile** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 3:01 pm

Flatline wrote:You can't rewrite religions to suit your own agenda that are based on God's word,otherwise it becomes a nothing religion.

Like when Jesus re-wrote Judaism, you mean?

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 3:03 pm

Flatline wrote:You can't rewrite religions to suit your own agenda that are based on God's word,otherwise it becomes a nothing religion.

Meanwhile religions can create rules to suit their agenda and force them on people through violence?

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 3:03 pm

Greenmile wrote:From whom? God?

I presume so, or maybe the sky?

Flatline · Post by **Flatline** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 3:05 pm

Greenmile wrote:Your comment re "Adam and Steve" and Pride being "ungodly" are pretty hateful, imo, and if you didn't learn those attitudes from your church, I'd be very surprised, given your choice of phrasing.

It's become something like Babylon with all out hedonism,that's why it's ungodly as it's all about self-worship.Can we have our Rainbow back that you stole please?

Flatline · Post by **Flatline** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 3:07 pm

Sidney1st wrote:Meanwhile religions can create rules to suit their agenda and force them on people through violence?

Yes,that's why you shouldn't join religions as they're open to corruption from man.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 3:08 pm

Flatline wrote:Yes,that's why you shouldn't join religions as they're open to corruption from man.

That's because they're man made quite simply.

Greenmile · Post by **Greenmile** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 3:08 pm

Flatline wrote:It's become something like Babylon with all out hedonism,that's why it's ungodly as it's all about self-worship.Can we have our Rainbow back that you stole please?

You're claiming ownership of rainbows? Does that apply to all natural phenomena? Does your church own earthquakes, for example?

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 3:11 pm

NRC wrote:Women can prefer women simply because they think men are dicks. And men can prefer men because they get to play with a penis too

You're joking, right?

JohnMcGreal · Post by **JohnMcGreal** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 3:16 pm

Flatline - is your username based on the way you believe the earth is shaped?

HelloHiGoodbye · Post by **HelloHiGoodbye** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 3:20 pm

Imagine living in actual 2017 and still believing the Bible. I knew someone who genuinely believed dinosaurs never existed.

Bigotry comes from insecurity and fear (and religion).

Love who you want to love, be who you want to be, in whichever way you want. Life's short.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 3:21 pm

Taking Sidney's argument, paedophilia, cannibalism have all been around longer than religions, should we let them be practised here as a consequence?

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 3:21 pm

Some maybe many are born this way inclined. For others it can be a choice i.e. Being in prison for ten years with nothing else. It isn't just all one thing or another but then it's difficult to label people isn't it.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 3:22 pm

Bigotry comes from thinking your better than someone else, you don't need anything else.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 3:24 pm

Rarely get good outcomes from gay relationships in my experience, a very transient existence by and large.

Flatline · Post by **Flatline** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 3:24 pm

HelloHiGoodbye wrote:Imagine living in actual 2017 and still believing the Bible. I knew someone who genuinely believed dinosaurs never existed.

Bigotry comes from insecurity and fear (and religion).

Love who you want to love, be who you want to be, in whichever way you want. Life's short.

Bigotry right here folks.

HelloHiGoodbye · Post by **HelloHiGoodbye** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 3:25 pm

Flatline wrote:Bigotry right here folks.

Fair point - I am a bit afraid of people who deny the existence of dinosaurs.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 3:26 pm

ablueclaret wrote:Rarely get good outcomes from gay relationships in my experience, a very transient existence by and large.

You're an even worse person than I thought.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 3:30 pm

ablueclaret wrote:Rarely get good outcomes from gay relationships in my experience, a very transient existence by and large.

I'm guessing you're still bitter about your ex-boyfriend leaving you?

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 3:35 pm

ablueclaret wrote:Taking Sidney's argument, paedophilia, cannibalism have all been around longer than religions, should we let them be practised here as a consequence?

Cannibalism is a choice, eat your mate or a dead animal/plant...

There's an argument that modern child abusers have something different in their minds, but that's still being studied.
However in no way am I advocating that, just pointing it out as studies are still ongoing.
You are right though, it was a very common occurrence, still is in some countries where its approved of an encouraged.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 3:38 pm

No I've known a lot of gay people, and most have been dissatisfied with the relationships they get themselves into. I've got to say I'm very glad I'm not gay it's a hard place to be.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 3:41 pm

IT is just one aspect of life too much is made of it, being gay has at times become an art form rather than a true feeling.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 3:41 pm

Being dissatisfied with a relationship isn't exclusive to being a homosexual, its just part of dating.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 3:43 pm

ablueclaret wrote:IT is just one aspect of life too much is made of it, being gay has at times become an art form rather than a true feeling.

It is a true feeling to them though.
Until recent times they couldn't express themselves and even now they're still frowned upon.

All they're doing is celebrating who they are.

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 3:44 pm

To quote religious texts is misleading and unhelpful scapegoating.

All religions change and are adapted to encompass the social attitudes of the time as much as vice versa.

Talk of Islam being 2k years old, is misleading and wrong - its much older than that, the "Islam" you refer to is an undated version of the original, as prophesied by Mohamad the prophet and written in its current form by his wife, who had her own social agenda (eg Mohammed was a Gandhi type figure by many accounts, completely anti - violence, while the Koran talks of wiping out other religions) = "Muslim". The King James Bible translated and adapted the Bible in a similar way. All have their reasons and agendas for saying what they say - it makes perfect sense to make pigs unclean in the medieval Middle East, where conditions meant that cross contamination and disease from pork was a given. hence Abraham and Isiah both labelled it unholy. Once Christianity reached our colder climate disease was far less of an issue and so Christianity changed to allow it.... to meet the society they were working in.

To suggest that Religion rules societies values is as nonsensical as saying society dictates Religion -its a two way street.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 3:44 pm

Personally feel the celebrations make it into a circus, which is just what I think we need to get away from.

Right_winger · Post by **Right_winger** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 3:48 pm

Religion is a just form of controlling people and was very powerful.

Gay is not a wholly natural occurrence either. We aren't meant to go with the same sex as ourselves.

Now when people choose to be gay fine no issues with that at all as that's their choice but I do have a problem with it being flung in my face ( much like religion )

If they would just go about their lifestyle choice with respect for others and not shout it out from the rooftops then there would be a lot less issues.