Defour to Besiktas ?

Saxoman · Post by **Saxoman** » Tue Jul 11, 2017 9:48 am

claretandy wrote:looks like he is on his way out with his name being hawked about by his agent.

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Hahahahahaha!!!! Long ball shyte only for you boyzzzzzz!

billyhamilton82 · Post by **billyhamilton82** » Tue Jul 11, 2017 10:25 am

Premier League "Long ball shyte"

CnBtruntru · Post by **CnBtruntru** » Tue Jul 11, 2017 10:35 am

Better than just plain old league 1 shiiiite.

3putt · Post by **3putt** » Tue Jul 11, 2017 10:10 pm

What we really need is 11 ever smiling happy chappies. Who gives a sh*t whether they are any good at football.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Wed Jul 12, 2017 3:09 am

RocketLawnChair wrote:Might just be me but I haven't seen Brady do anything Ross Wallace couldn't do yet..

I'd take Ross W. So far! However, Brady has potential....

KateR · Post by **KateR** » Wed Jul 12, 2017 8:08 am

I want him to come good but whilst I do not say he has no talent there does need to be more in my opinion. I don't mean just running around but you need to be able to play 90 minutes regularly and he clearly has not. If it was a clear injury and he was not in the squad and recouperatinng the it's clear however he is often brought off with fitness being stated as reason. We will see with a full pre-season and some intense training and perhaps he will also see improvements around him both on and off the pitch which may help him believe he could be at a good club.

Diesel · Post by **Diesel** » Wed Jul 12, 2017 8:52 am

KateR wrote:I want him to come good but whilst I do not say he has no talent there does need to be more in my opinion. I don't mean just running around but you need to be able to play 90 minutes regularly and he clearly has not. If it was a clear injury and he was not in the squad and recouperatinng the it's clear however he is often brought off with fitness being stated as reason. We will see with a full pre-season and some intense training and perhaps he will also see improvements around him both on and off the pitch which may help him believe he could be at a good club.

Rambling nonsense.

CFS · Post by **CFS** » Wed Jul 12, 2017 9:03 am

As Ivan Drago once said: If he stays....... He stays.

But he must be Irish.

Paul Waine · Post by **Paul Waine** » Wed Jul 12, 2017 9:10 am

CFS wrote:As Ivan Drago once said: If he stays....... He stays.

But he must be Irish.

A lot of Brits have been applying for Irish citizenship in the past 12 months. Are Belgians also eligible to apply?

Belgianclaret · Post by **Belgianclaret** » Wed Jul 12, 2017 11:32 am

Paul Waine wrote:A lot of Brits have been applying for Irish citizenship in the past 12 months. Are Belgians also eligible to apply?

I'd do anything for a good pint of Guinness

Sutton-Claret · Post by **Sutton-Claret** » Wed Jul 12, 2017 12:27 pm

CFS wrote:As Ivan Drago once said: If he stays....... He stays.

But he must be Irish.

I think Ivan Drago actually said ''If he dies... he dies''

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Wed Jul 12, 2017 12:42 pm

Sutton-Claret wrote:I think Ivan Drago actually said ''If he dies... he dies''

it'd work as a bad lip-sync though...

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Wed Jul 12, 2017 2:02 pm

Why is the ability to get through 90 minutes so important? It may cut down on the options a little, 2 subs rather than 3, but Dyche doesn't tend to throw on subs to change the game that much (although he is getting slightly better).

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Wed Jul 12, 2017 2:12 pm

aggi wrote:Why is the ability to get through 90 minutes so important? It may cut down on the options a little, 2 subs rather than 3, but Dyche doesn't tend to throw on subs to change the game that much (although he is getting slightly better).

It's massively important. You're already conceding the fact that a player in a key position will need to be substituted at a certain point in the game regardless of how the game is panning out. Sometimes it might not matter - if you're 3-0 up which we rarely will be at this level but usually it will cause a disruption. Hopefully with a pre-season under his belt Defour will be able to attain this level of match-fitness but unless he does I reckon he'll be unlikely to be a Dyche-favourite, and I'd agree with the manager on that.

3putt · Post by **3putt** » Wed Jul 12, 2017 3:32 pm

Play Defour in that right position for 60 min or 70 mins, he will have a more positive influence on the game than most players could have in 90 mins.

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Wed Jul 12, 2017 3:57 pm

It's disruptive if you don't know it's happening. If you've planned for it, drilled the team with the two options then the disruption should be minimal. Having the strongest team out for 60 minutes and then a slightly weaker team for 30 minutes is surely better than playing the slightly weaker team for 90 minutes (I'm not necessarily referring to Defour here, just the concept that a player has to last ninety minutes).

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Wed Jul 12, 2017 4:04 pm

If he can get himself properly fit this pre-season so that he's in the physical shape of his life, then Defour could be an absolutely fabulous asset for us this season.

But if he is going to suffer from the same repeated niggling injuries - which no doubt partly resulted from the fact he was always playing at his physical limit to cope with the Premier League - and is generally going to be a notch below the physical fitness levels achieved by the rest of the squad, then he should go. His quality isn't that great that the trade off for a less than fully fit model is worth it (if he were, then at £8 million in a market where we've just paid £10 million for Cork, he'd have been snapped up by another premier league team), and apart from anything else, it sends the wrong message to the rest of the squad for a very-good-but-not-great player like Defour to be indulged with failing to reach the same exacting standards expected of the rest of the squad.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Wed Jul 12, 2017 4:23 pm

Isn't it true that he also likes a tab?

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Wed Jul 12, 2017 4:28 pm

claretspice wrote:If he can get himself properly fit this pre-season so that he's in the physical shape of his life, then Defour could be an absolutely fabulous asset for us this season.

But if he is going to suffer from the same repeated niggling injuries - which no doubt partly resulted from the fact he was always playing at his physical limit to cope with the Premier League - and is generally going to be a notch below the physical fitness levels achieved by the rest of the squad, then he should go. His quality isn't that great that the trade off for a less than fully fit model is worth it (if he were, then at £8 million in a market where we've just paid £10 million for Cork, he'd have been snapped up by another premier league team), and apart from anything else, it sends the wrong message to the rest of the squad for a very-good-but-not-great player like Defour to be indulged with failing to reach the same exacting standards expected of the rest of the squad.

This attitude would have seen Blake and Little binned off after no time at all.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Wed Jul 12, 2017 4:31 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:This attitude would have seen Blake and Little binned off after no time at all.

In the current system I expect so. And who's to argue with that seeing as we're achieving far more than we were when either of those played.

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Wed Jul 12, 2017 4:32 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:This attitude would have seen Blake and Little binned off after no time at all.

I'm not sure whether it would or not, but what I do know is that in the era of Little and Blake, we weren't successfully competing in the most powerful and prestigious, and physically demanding, league in the world. Our ability to compete is based on being in absolutely tip-top physical shape.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Wed Jul 12, 2017 4:39 pm

Rileybobs wrote:In the current system I expect so. And who's to argue with that seeing as we're achieving far more than we were when either of those played.

As we've seen, there is absolutely no place for flair or skill in a Sean Dyche Burnley side. Hard work is all that matters, even if that approach leads to losing the vast majority of away games played anyway. Why play enjoyable but losing football when you can play 11 runners and lose.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Wed Jul 12, 2017 4:41 pm

Saxoman wrote:Hahahahahaha!!!! Long ball shyte only for you boyzzzzzz!

From someone who was in love with Big Fat Sam and his long ball style of football it comes across as being hypocritical.

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Wed Jul 12, 2017 4:42 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:As we've seen, there is absolutely no place for flair or skill in a Sean Dyche Burnley side. Hard work is all that matters, even if that approach leads to losing the vast majority of away games played anyway. Why play enjoyable but losing football when you can play 11 runners and lose.

So no player under Dyche in the last 5 years by your thinking has had any flair or skill?

Braindead · Post by **Braindead** » Wed Jul 12, 2017 4:44 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:As we've seen, there is absolutely no place for flair or skill in a Sean Dyche Burnley side. Hard work is all that matters, even if that approach leads to losing the vast majority of away games played anyway. Why play enjoyable but losing football when you can play 11 runners and lose.

Absolute revisionist ********

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Wed Jul 12, 2017 4:45 pm

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote:So no player under Dyche in the last 5 years by your thinking has had any flair or skill?

It's been beaten out of them.

George Boyd was nicknamed the White Pele at previous clubs. We ended up with a player who ran 15k per game and provided one goal and one assist a season.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Wed Jul 12, 2017 4:45 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:As we've seen, there is absolutely no place for flair or skill in a Sean Dyche Burnley side. Hard work is all that matters, even if that approach leads to losing the vast majority of away games played anyway. Why play enjoyable but losing football when you can play 11 runners and lose.

What a melt.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Wed Jul 12, 2017 4:47 pm

Yeah, I forgot it was just like watching Brazil, as our centre back wellies it 75 yards towards a 6ft+ striker hoping to get a flick on.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Wed Jul 12, 2017 4:48 pm

Good to see UpTheBeehole is on form...

You almost sound like ABC..

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Wed Jul 12, 2017 4:49 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:Yeah, I forgot it was just like watching Brazil, as our centre back wellies it 75 yards towards a 6ft+ striker hoping to get a flick on.

What was the primary aim last season?

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Wed Jul 12, 2017 4:49 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:It's been beaten out of them.

George Boyd was nicknamed the White Pele at previous clubs. We ended up with a player who ran 15k per game and provided one goal and one assist a season.

And Boyd is the only player you can come up with flair and skill?

Braindead · Post by **Braindead** » Wed Jul 12, 2017 4:51 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:Yeah, I forgot it was just like watching Brazil, as our centre back wellies it 75 yards towards a 6ft+ striker hoping to get a flick on.

What about the goals against Liverpool at home? The winner at Selhurst Park? Barnes' winner against Palace at home? Arfield's goal against Everton after JGB rattled the bar? Defour's goals against Hull and Brizzle etc etc.

You absolute weapon.

Hapag Lloyd · Post by **Hapag Lloyd** » Wed Jul 12, 2017 4:52 pm

Sidney1st wrote:Good to see UpTheBeehole is on form...

You almost sound like ABC..

..and KRBFC

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Wed Jul 12, 2017 4:52 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:It's been beaten out of them.

George Boyd was nicknamed the White Pele at previous clubs. We ended up with a player who ran 15k per game and provided one goal and one assist a season.

Are you a compulsive liar or just really thick? Despite a disappointing haul last season (2 goals) Boyd scored 5 league goals in the 2 seasons beforehand.

Why do you keep making things up. Your credibility on this site is already through the floor.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Wed Jul 12, 2017 5:00 pm

Braindead wrote:What about the goals against Liverpool at home? The winner at Selhurst Park? Barnes' winner against Palace at home? Arfield's goal against Everton after JGB rattled the bar? Defour's goals against Hull and Brizzle etc etc.

You absolute weapon.

Liverpool: good goals (great assist from Defour for Gray)
Selhurst: counter against a team pushing loads forward - not particularly skill.
Barnes: mishit pass, good cross, finish, against a stretched team on the counter. Not particularly skill.
Arfield everton: tap in off a lucky rebound
Defour v Hull and BC: got hooked as soon as he dared to show some skill. Took 3 minutes v Hull and 10 mins v Bristol City. Proves my point.

Braindead · Post by **Braindead** » Wed Jul 12, 2017 5:02 pm

Arfield tap in?

But none of the goals were from a centre half launching the ball 75 yards to a 6ft striker either were they?

Which proves my point as well.

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Wed Jul 12, 2017 5:02 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:Liverpool: good goals (great assist from Defour for Gray)
Selhurst: counter against a team pushing loads forward - not particularly skill.
Barnes: mishit pass, good cross, finish, against a stretched team on the counter. Not particularly skill.
Arfield everton: tap in off a lucky rebound
Defour v Hull and BC: got hooked as soon as he dared to show some skill. Took 3 minutes v Hull and 10 mins v Bristol City. Proves my point.

Jesus.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Wed Jul 12, 2017 5:03 pm

EXACTLY! None of those goals came from hoofing it up to a striker - so why do we do it so often???

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Wed Jul 12, 2017 5:03 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:Liverpool: good goals (great assist from Defour for Gray)
Selhurst: counter against a team pushing loads forward - not particularly skill.
Barnes: mishit pass, good cross, finish, against a stretched team on the counter. Not particularly skill.
Arfield everton: tap in off a lucky rebound
Defour v Hull and BC: got hooked as soon as he dared to show some skill. Took 3 minutes v Hull and 10 mins v Bristol City. Proves my point.

Have you suffered severe head trauma?

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Wed Jul 12, 2017 5:07 pm

Rileybobs wrote:Have you suffered severe head trauma?

No I'm just clearly trolling and I've caught a shedload. Precious sods.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Wed Jul 12, 2017 5:11 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:No I'm just clearly trolling and I've caught a shedload. Precious sods.

No you've just made yourself appear like you have impaired cognitive function. That's not trolling, it's just really stupid.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Wed Jul 12, 2017 5:18 pm

No, it was getting towards 5 o clock, I'd finished my main bit of work and I fancied being silly.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Wed Jul 12, 2017 5:25 pm

Sometimes, reading threads like this, I wonder if some of our supporters really do not understand the concept of tactical substitutions.

Stalbansclaret · Post by **Stalbansclaret** » Wed Jul 12, 2017 5:31 pm

UptheBeehole...absolutely pathetic. Thinking it is funny to "wind up" people who support the same team you (allegedly) support by offering ridiculous negative opinions. Just how colossally stupid do you have to be to find that amusing ?

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Wed Jul 12, 2017 5:34 pm

KateR · Post by **KateR** » Wed Jul 12, 2017 8:50 pm

Diesel wrote:Rambling nonsense.

Thank for your valued input I will try to do better in the future

rufus lumley · Post by **rufus lumley** » Wed Jul 12, 2017 9:30 pm

Ruben always painted the women in his paintings before they had completed preseason training.

Belgianclaret · Post by **Belgianclaret** » Wed Jul 12, 2017 10:30 pm

Glad to see Defour enjoying himself in training sessions. Can anyone else in Ireland share their impressions?

I remain convinced that he will come to full fruition at CM when we set up to retain the ball a bit more. Doesn't necessarily mean we have to try and outpass any of our opponents. I'm sure the same applies to Jack Cork, and in matter of fact those two should be able to hit it off on the pitch.

All depends whether the gaffer or the player themselves have already made their minds up though.

Blyclaret · Post by **Blyclaret** » Wed Jul 12, 2017 11:01 pm

Defour demeanour very much different to rest
Head down rarely says anything
Dosent look a happy guy

maidenover · Post by **maidenover** » Thu Jul 13, 2017 3:48 am

Looked happy enough in training