Game of Thrones S7

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Mon Jul 17, 2017 8:28 am

Imploding Turtle wrote: And by the way, when has being entitled by lineage, as Dany feels she is, been an SJW trait?

I mean, it's pretty much the definitive SJW trait. In my opinion.

Caballo · Post by **Caballo** » Mon Jul 17, 2017 9:25 am

ClaretMoffitt wrote:I mean, it's pretty much the definitive SJW trait. In my opinion.

By lineage? You've lost me!

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Jul 17, 2017 9:36 am

Rick_Muller wrote:Tried that, just didn't appeal to me

Don't even ******* talk to me.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Jul 17, 2017 9:37 am

ClaretMoffitt wrote:I mean, it's pretty much the definitive SJW trait. In my opinion.

You think social justice = entitlement by lineage?

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Mon Jul 17, 2017 11:26 am

Rick_Muller wrote:Tried that, just didn't appeal to me

Boobs don't appeal to you?

You're on the wrong thread

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Mon Jul 17, 2017 11:30 am

Sidney1st wrote:Boobs don't appeal to you?

You're on the wrong thread

they do, but... ahh nevermind Sid...!

Claret Till I Die · Post by **Claret Till I Die** » Mon Jul 17, 2017 12:17 pm

I, for one, can't wait for 9pm tonight.

claretburns · Post by **claretburns** » Mon Jul 17, 2017 12:22 pm

Won't give anything away but cannot work out if the new episode is good because it is simply good or because I have waited so long for it to return.

Either way I enjoyed it.

Slurpy · Post by **Slurpy** » Mon Jul 17, 2017 12:48 pm

Was a good episode but was a lot of build up with no payoff, the first episode is always a tease so I look forward to next week.

duncandisorderly · Post by **duncandisorderly** » Mon Jul 17, 2017 4:07 pm

If that's Ed Sheeran's entire GoT career then it was a proper cringe-fest and not worthy of screen time.

Apart from that, it was smashing.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Mon Jul 17, 2017 5:09 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:You think social justice = entitlement by lineage?

Just entitlement as a whole.

CombatClaret · Post by **CombatClaret** » Mon Jul 17, 2017 5:14 pm

Reasonably good first episode, basically putting all the pieces on the board.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Mon Jul 17, 2017 5:23 pm

The Ed Sheerin bit is absolutely awful - though that actor from This is England....the Grimsby fan....who is in the same scene is just as bad at acting as Sheerin.

The whole scene is pointless and looks like it has been put in purely at the request of Ed Sheerins agent !

I hope GoT does not do this type of stuff again - its pandering to the rich and famous. I'm guessing if I wrote in and asked for a scene where I get to have a go on Daenerys Targaryen dragon t-its the makers would not be as accommodating !!

Anyway - back to the first episode. I thought it was good and as in all previous series it sets the scene for what's to come. In the last few series it's from about episode 7 or 8 that we get the incredible jaw dropping episodes....with this shortened series we might see these arrive before Burnley's opening fixture !!

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Jul 17, 2017 5:27 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:Just entitlement as a whole.

So it doesn't matter that Dany feels entitled by lineage, something utterly antithetical to social justice, because just the fact that she feels entitled means her character is pandering to SJWs. So that means Joffrey and his smug feeling of entitlement was also pandering to SJWs despite all his obviously anti-SJW traits.

Hmmm. I wonder what is different about Joffrey and Dany that means it's OK for Joffrey to feel entitled but not Dany.
I wonder what is different about Tyrion and Dany that allows Tyrion to literally slap the king and get away with it without question from you, but cause you to be upset when Dany so much as questions a Khal. The obvious answer is sex, but that can't be true because that'd mean you're sexist. It's a mystery.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Mon Jul 17, 2017 5:29 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:So it doesn't matter that Dany feels entitled by lineage, something utterly antithetical to social justice, because just the fact that she feels entitled means her character is pandering to SJWs. So that means Joffrey and his smug feeling of entitlement was also pandering to SJWs despite all his obviously anti-SJW traits.

Hmmm. I wonder what is different about Joffrey and Dany that means it's OK for Joffrey to feel entitled but not Dany.
I wonder what is different about Tyrion and Dany that allows Tyrion to literally slap the king and get away with it without question from you, but cause you to be upset when Dany so much as questions a Khal. The obvious answer is sex, but that can't be true because that'd mean you're sexist. It's a mystery.

You do realise it's made up fantasy don't you ?!!!

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Mon Jul 17, 2017 5:35 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:So it doesn't matter that Dany feels entitled by lineage, something utterly antithetical to social justice, because just the fact that she feels entitled means her character is pandering to SJWs. So that means Joffrey and his smug feeling of entitlement was also pandering to SJWs despite all his obviously anti-SJW traits.

Hmmm. I wonder what is different about Joffrey and Dany that means it's OK for Joffrey to feel entitled but not Dany.
I wonder what is different about Tyrion and Dany that allows Tyrion to literally slap the king and get away with it without question from you, but cause you to be upset when Dany so much as questions a Khal. The obvious answer is sex, but that can't be true because that'd mean you're sexist. It's a mystery.

I'm starting to think you are ser jorah with how vigorously you are defending her.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Jul 17, 2017 5:39 pm

TVC15 wrote:The Ed Sheerin bit is absolutely awful - though that actor from This is England....the Grimsby fan....who is in the same scene is just as bad at acting as Sheerin.

The whole scene is pointless and looks like it has been put in purely at the request of Ed Sheerins agent !

I hope GoT does not do this type of stuff again - its pandering to the rich and famous. I'm guessing if I wrote in and asked for a scene where I get to have a go on Daenerys Targaryen dragon t-its the makers would not be as accommodating !!

Anyway - back to the first episode. I thought it was good and as in all previous series it sets the scene for what's to come. In the last few series it's from about episode 7 or 8 that we get the incredible jaw dropping episodes....with this shortened series we might see these arrive before Burnley's opening fixture !!

It won't be pointless. The scene is actually quite interesting. These are Lannister men Arya has met and will no doubt be an important part of Arya's storyline this season. She's chosen to eat with them (invoking hospitality law) instead of kill them (yet) maybe because she're keeping the peace after Frey's death but it will be interesting to see what happens from here. She's plotting to kill Cersei so there's a chance she'll travel to KL with them. I really don't think Ed Sheeren being a part of the plot matter that much and i don't think he'd be in it if he wasn't an important part of it or if he couldn't act well enough to be what is essentially an extra with a line or two. Or it might just be that in The Winds of Winter Arya encounters a group of Lannister men, one of which is singing beautifully at the time, and they wanted someone who could sing and Sheeren's character isn't important at all. In which case he really was only cast for his singing abilities.

The most interesting new character from that scene is the guy (i forget his name) who was talking about being a new father. He seems to be the leader of the group and the one Arya spoke with the most.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Jul 17, 2017 5:39 pm

TVC15 wrote:You do realise it's made up fantasy don't you ?!!!

Errr, yes. I'm not the one getting upset by women characters getting uppity.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Mon Jul 17, 2017 5:46 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Errr, yes. I'm not the one getting upset by writers getting lazy and going for the easy sells.

Fixed that for you,

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Mon Jul 17, 2017 5:50 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:It won't be pointless. The scene is actually quite interesting. These are Lannister men Arya has met and will no doubt be an important part of Arya's storyline this season. She's chosen to eat with them (invoking hospitality law) instead of kill them (yet) maybe because she're keeping the peace after Frey's death but it will be interesting to see what happens from here. She's plotting to kill Cersei so there's a chance she'll travel to KL with them. I really don't think Ed Sheeren being a part of the plot matter that much and i don't think he'd be in it if he wasn't an important part of it or if he couldn't act well enough to be what is essentially an extra with a line or two. Or it might just be that in The Winds of Winter Arya encounters a group of Lannister men, one of which is singing beautifully at the time, and they wanted someone who could sing and Sheeren's character isn't important at all. In which case he really was only cast for his singing abilities.

The most interesting new character from that scene is the guy (i forget his name) who was talking about being a new father. He seems to be the leader of the group and the one Arya spoke with the most.

Ok - firstly his acting was awful....even for an extra.

Secondly if this is part of the plot - which I accept it could well be.......it did not need Ed Sheerin in it.

What next ? Beyoncé serving up a jug of ale to The Hound at a tavern names the The Return of the Rovers ?

Anyway I'm still sending that email asking for a go on the Dragon Queens busters

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Mon Jul 17, 2017 5:54 pm

TVC15 wrote:Ed Sheerin

Imploding Turtle wrote:Ed Sheeren

Ed Sheeran.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Mon Jul 17, 2017 5:58 pm

Tall Paul wrote:Ed Sheeran.

Cheers for that - I'm sure that's cleared it up for those who were wondering who we were referring to.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Jul 17, 2017 6:04 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:Fixed that for you,

George R.R. Martin, writing 5 epics over 25 years with still two to complete is lazy, is he?

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Mon Jul 17, 2017 6:19 pm

TVC15 wrote:Cheers for that - I'm sure that's cleared it up for those who were wondering who we were referring to.

I thought you were talking about this bloke

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Mon Jul 17, 2017 6:31 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:George R.R. Martin, writing 5 epics over 25 years with still two to complete is lazy, is he?

Very lazy and he frustrates the hell out of his fans because of it, but at least his writing is actually good (well mostly) unlike the commercialized rubbish that this show has become over recent seasons, it speaks volumes that all the people on my facebook who watch things like TOWIE, Pretty little liars and Love island are also excited about thrones these days,

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Jul 17, 2017 6:42 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:Very lazy and he frustrates the hell out of his fans because of it, but at least his writing is actually good (well mostly) unlike the commercialized rubbish that this show has become over recent seasons, it speaks volumes that all the people on my facebook who watch things like TOWIE, Pretty little liars and Love island are also excited about thrones these days,

Isn't it funny how you'll call someone (Martin) lazy for taking too much time to write his story as perfectly as possible, while also calling others (Beninoff/Weiss) lazy by making short cuts because they write to a deadline.

You probably don't see the double-standard.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Mon Jul 17, 2017 6:47 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Isn't it funny how you'll call someone (Martin) lazy for taking too much time to write his story as perfectly as possible, while also calling others (Beninoff/Weiss) lazy by making short cuts because they write to a deadline.

You probably don't see the double-standard.

Have you read his books? They are far from perfect. Sometimes I think he gets fully confused about who hes even writing about or in what period of time. Its why I put "well mostly" in brackets in the post you quoted.

Also, since when was cutting corners or going for easy options to get a job done quicker not lazy?

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Mon Jul 17, 2017 6:51 pm

Because something has become popular doesn't mean it's necessarily selling out. You hear too much of this sort of thing these days, be it regarding film, television, music or whatever. If you like it that's fine, if not, that's fine too.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Jul 17, 2017 7:04 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:Have you read his books? They are far from perfect. Sometimes I think he gets fully confused about who hes even writing about or in what period of time. Its why I put "well mostly" in brackets in the post you quoted.

Also, since when was cutting corners or going for easy options to get a job done quicker not lazy?

Have you read my post? I didn't say they were perfect. But congrats on missing the point of my post, deliberately.

Are perfectionsts lazy?

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Mon Jul 17, 2017 8:48 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Have you read my post? I didn't say they were perfect. But congrats on missing the point of my post, deliberately.

Are perfectionsts lazy?

Maybe hes a perfectionist, maybe hes lazy, maybe he's just rich as f and doesn't really have the motivation to write anymore. Who knows, my personal opinion is it's probably a bit of all three.

LaLigaClaret · Post by **LaLigaClaret** » Mon Jul 17, 2017 9:48 pm

Thought is was crap from the beginning and is a load of pish. Any programmes relying on blatant sex, use of the c word and so on shows lazy and talentless writing and creativity.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Jul 17, 2017 10:58 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:Maybe hes a perfectionist, maybe hes lazy, maybe he's just rich as f and doesn't really have the motivation to write anymore. Who knows, my personal opinion is it's probably a bit of all three.

2, 2, 5, 6.

Those arethe gaps between books. The last book was released in 2011. I think it's perfectly reasonable given the scope of the story that it takes much longer to write later books than the earliest books of a series like this. But hey, if you want to call him lazy because you don't like that one character is fulfilling the role he had planned for her from the beginning then fine, that makes him lazy. Instead of writing the story he wants to tell, he should change it to pander to morons who would otherwise think that he's pandering to SJWs by writing the story the way he envisioned it.

Don't try to blame other people for your decision to stop watching a TV show. Your own pathetic attitudes towards women is your problem and a storyteller's refusal to pander to your prejudices and preferred way of thinking is not the same as pandering to SJWs.

Dublin7Claret · Post by **Dublin7Claret** » Tue Jul 18, 2017 12:33 am

I have to ask, what on earth are "SJWs"?

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Tue Jul 18, 2017 12:53 am

Classic uptheclarets

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Tue Jul 18, 2017 12:54 am

it is made up nonsense, none of this stuff really happened. The actors simply remove their costumes and make up and go home, some of you come from Burnley, are you ******* kidding ??

Spiral · Post by **Spiral** » Tue Jul 18, 2017 2:01 am

ClaretMoffitt wrote:Have you read his books? They are far from perfect. Sometimes I think he gets fully confused about who hes even writing about or in what period of time. Its why I put "well mostly" in brackets in the post you quoted.

Also, since when was cutting corners or going for easy options to get a job done quicker not lazy?

To be perfectly frank, when you're throwing one of the widely agreed-upon best epic fantasy authors in history under a bus to salvage what is left of the point you're trying to make it might be time to consider the fact that you're fighting a phantom enemy.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Jul 18, 2017 4:36 am

Dublin7Claret wrote:I have to ask, what on earth are "SJWs"?

It's the collection of initials used to describe people who think we shouldn't be ***** to each other. It's supposed to mean "social justice warrior" but increasingly it means "anyone who disagrees with my bigoted views".

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Tue Jul 18, 2017 6:06 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:2, 2, 5, 6.

Those arethe gaps between books. The last book was released in 2011. I think it's perfectly reasonable given the scope of the story that it takes much longer to write later books than the earliest books of a series like this. But hey, if you want to call him lazy because you don't like that one character is fulfilling the role he had planned for her from the beginning then fine, that makes him lazy. Instead of writing the story he wants to tell, he should change it to pander to morons who would otherwise think that he's pandering to SJWs by writing the story the way he envisioned it.

Don't try to blame other people for your decision to stop watching a TV show. Your own pathetic attitudes towards women is your problem and a storyteller's refusal to pander to your prejudices and preferred way of thinking is not the same as pandering to SJWs.

It is though really. They made her thoroughly unlikable to pretty much everyone but raging feminists and furious masturbater fan boys (maybe you) by turning her from a sweet, kind and humble young leader into this whiney, shoutey, entitled, smug little brat you see now. Who the writers are absolutely gifting with armies, success and the bulk of the cgi budget. My attitudes to women, haha. That's a good one.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Jul 18, 2017 7:03 am

ClaretMoffitt wrote:It is though really. They made her thoroughly unlikable to pretty much everyone but raging feminists and furious masturbater fan boys (maybe you) by turning her from a sweet, kind and humble young leader into this whiney, shoutey, entitled, smug little brat you see now. Who the writers are absolutely gifting with armies, success and the bulk of the cgi budget. My attitudes to women, haha. That's a good one.

So her sense of entitlement makes here an SJW. Her being "given" armies by the writers, ignoring that she literally stole and burned people alive to acquire them, means they're lazily pandering to SJWs. The problem you have is you haven't considered the big picture.

Spoiler alert but Jon Snow is a Targaryan and is now the King in the North. He doesn't know he's a Targaryan but he'll soon to find out given what happened in S7E1. Dany is the last surviving Targaryan as far as she's aware and that's why she feels entitled to the throne, just as entitled as Joffrey felt, Stannis felt, Robert felt, etc, but for some reason you have a problem with Dany feeling entitled. Once Jon does find out his lineage, and since he's grown up in a society that ascends male heirs, he's also going to feel entitled to the Iron Throne. If the writers handed Dany her army then thet equally handed Jon his.

So we've got Ice and Fire, unaware of each other, both holding, or soon to hold, a feeling of entitlement to the Iron Throne. They both have strong and extremely loyal armies and now they're on the same continent for the first time with the same enemies. Both of them will win their wars and then they'll have to confront their own feelings of entitlement to the same throne, for which both of them will have sacrificed an awful lot.

It should be blatently obvious that from the very beginning that GRRM had envisioned all this. In fact he'd already stated that some people a few years ago had predicted how the story ends, so he obviously envisioned this from the beginning. If you're so daft as to think that he suddenly changed the direction of the show at book 4&5/season 5 just to placate SJWs who, if they were bothered about the show not placating them beforehand, weren't ******* watching in the first place then you don't deserve to enjoy an epic story such as this.

Sutton-Claret · Post by **Sutton-Claret** » Tue Jul 18, 2017 7:39 am

I've never watched a single episode....... it just doesn't appeal to me. However I feel I'm the only one in the country who doesn't watch it and I hate missing out on anything.

How many series are there? Do I need to watch from series one ? Do I need a box of tissues ?

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Jul 18, 2017 8:13 am

Sutton-Claret wrote:I've never watched a single episode....... it just doesn't appeal to me. However I feel I'm the only one in the country who doesn't watch it and I hate missing out on anything.

How many series are there? Do I need to watch from series one ? Do I need a box of tissues ?

I didn't get into it until people were watching the third season and got sick of people talking about how amazing it is on Teamspeak, because i didn't have much interest in these types of shows. But now i've got the books and would highly recommend it to people who aren't usually into fantasy/dramas.

You do have to watch it from the beginning though, it's not a procedural TV show.

Season 7 has just started so you've got plent to watch. Once you've watched the first season you'll know for sure whether it's something you love or not. It's not like Breaking Bad, for example, where the first season is OK and it gradually gets better. GoT is either brilliant for you or "meh" the whole way through, season-by-season.

IAmAClaret · Post by **IAmAClaret** » Tue Jul 18, 2017 9:21 am

The below pretty much sums up why I have no interest in it. The 2nd biggest load of $hite on TV after Cock Island.

Imploding Turtle wrote:So her sense of entitlement makes here an SJW. Her being "given" armies by the writers, ignoring that she literally stole and burned people alive to acquire them, means they're lazily pandering to SJWs. The problem you have is you haven't considered the big picture.

Spoiler alert but Jon Snow is a Targaryan and is now the King in the North. He doesn't know he's a Targaryan but he'll soon to find out given what happened in S7E1. Dany is the last surviving Targaryan as far as she's aware and that's why she feels entitled to the throne, just as entitled as Joffrey felt, Stannis felt, Robert felt, etc, but for some reason you have a problem with Dany feeling entitled. Once Jon does find out his lineage, and since he's grown up in a society that ascends male heirs, he's also going to feel entitled to the Iron Throne. If the writers handed Dany her army then thet equally handed Jon his.

So we've got Ice and Fire, unaware of each other, both holding, or soon to hold, a feeling of entitlement to the Iron Throne. They both have strong and extremely loyal armies and now they're on the same continent for the first time with the same enemies. Both of them will win their wars and then they'll have to confront their own feelings of entitlement to the same throne, for which both of them will have sacrificed an awful lot.

It should be blatently obvious that from the very beginning that GRRM had envisioned all this. In fact he'd already stated that some people a few years ago had predicted how the story ends, so he obviously envisioned this from the beginning. If you're so daft as to think that he suddenly changed the direction of the show at book 4&5/season 5 just to placate SJWs who, if they were bothered about the show not placating them beforehand, weren't ******* watching in the first place then you don't deserve to enjoy an epic story such as this.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Jul 18, 2017 9:24 am

IAmAClaret wrote:The below pretty much sums up why I have no interest in it. The 2nd biggest load of $hite on TV after Cock Island.

No interest, except tor when you read a thread specifically about it and then reply to it. Not stupid at all.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Tue Jul 18, 2017 9:24 am

Yet another thread hijacked by claretmoffitt and his strange views.

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Tue Jul 18, 2017 9:49 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:George R.R. Martin, writing 5 epics over 25 years with still two to complete is lazy, is he?

There are t- shirts out there with "George Martin is not Your Bitch" on them

I do think some of the dialogue showed signs that the book had not been written. Writing a screenplay is a different skill. The Re-writing for a book is quite interesting - the early chapters are always well crafted but as deadlines approach it is the strength of the storytelling that takes over as the dialogue becomes less re-worked.

For me episode 1 was interesting, but was clearly a vehicle to re-introduce the characters and relationships. Its like a roller coaster, we're climbing with the anticipation of reaching the summit when all hell gets let lose.

Falcon · Post by **Falcon** » Tue Jul 18, 2017 12:44 pm

Very good first episode (Ed Sheeran cringefest aside). Nicely setting up the series.

I admit I let out a 'woo' and a fist pump when it became clear what was happening in the first scene. I pity anyone who has playing 'drink every time you see a murder' for such an early bloodbath!

ClaretMoffitt - it's clear nobody here agrees with your weird views, please for the sake of my sanity just go away. You don't like the show any more, so why hang about on the thread arguing the toss.

Dom · Post by **Dom** » Tue Jul 18, 2017 2:55 pm

I still think R & L = J is Robert + Lyanna = Jon. Not Rhaegar.
Jon looks like Robert. Which would change the dynamic again.

Ed Sheeran was absolutely pointless as always, didn't add anything. I hope this isn't a sign of things to come with stupid pointless celebrity cameos that detract from the story.

Good opening episode anyway, sets the scene quite nicely.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Jul 18, 2017 4:17 pm

Dom wrote:I still think R & L = J is Robert + Lyanna = Jon. Not Rhaegar.
Jon looks like Robert. Which would change the dynamic again.

The whole point of Lyanna giving birth at the Tower of Joy while protected by Arthur Dayne was to protect Jon from Robert. It's why Lyanna made Ned promise to raise Jon as his own, to prevent Robert from killing Jon as part of his rebellion to end the House Targaryen. He wanted no heirs, including bast*rds. Jon is the son of Rhaegar and Lyanna. It was settled in episode The Winds of Winter.

The only person alive who knows is Brandon Stark who is now at Castle Black.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Tue Jul 18, 2017 4:22 pm

There have been plenty of pointless cameos in GoT already, Steve Love, Mastodon, Sigur Ros, someone from Coldplay, the Snow Patrol guy, and of Monsters and Men, whoever they are. Plenty of family of the top brass play extras too.

The thing this time is you recognised Ed Sheeran, because you've heard of him.

Dom · Post by **Dom** » Tue Jul 18, 2017 4:33 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:The whole point of Lyanna giving birth at the Tower of Joy while protected by Arthur Dayne was to protect Jon from Robert. It's why Lyanna made Ned promise to raise Jon as his own, to prevent Robert from killing Jon as part of his rebellion to end the House Targaryen. He wanted no heirs, including bast*rds. Jon is the son of Rhaegar and Lyanna. It was settled in episode The Winds of Winter.

The only person alive who knows is Brandon Stark who is now at Castle Black.

Didn't settle anything.

Remember, they didn’t actually show us the name of the baby in the closed captioning, nor what Robert would do if he found the baby, or a few other choice things that Lyanna said. (Although, considering the transition from the baby to Jon Snow, that part is pretty much confirmed.)

They heavily insinuated that it was Rhaegar's kid, not confirmed it, and with most things GOT, it wouldn't surprise me to find out he was Robert's.

As for the cameos, most have been non speaking roles/extras/background filler. He was centre stage, it was weird and a bit ****.