ARTICLE: Police seeking help with request for video footage

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sun Aug 06, 2017 7:27 pm

ClaretTony wrote:No, you are both wrong - and Hannover 96 have already confirmed they will work with Burnley FC & our police.

One of us was joking.

cutsy123 · Post by **cutsy123** » Sun Aug 06, 2017 7:32 pm

ClaretTony wrote:No, you are both wrong - and Hannover 96 have already confirmed they will work with Burnley FC & our police.

Not 1 german will be nicked following investigations

They want to target burnley fans b4 a prem campaign

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Sun Aug 06, 2017 7:40 pm

cutsy123 wrote:Not 1 german will be nicked following investigations

Apart from the one nicked trying to board his plane home today?

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Sun Aug 06, 2017 7:41 pm

I can imagine which posters on here will be scouring the internet looking for Burnley fans doing impressions of airplanes

todclaret · Post by **todclaret** » Sun Aug 06, 2017 7:41 pm

yep. one arrested boarding plane confirmed on twitter

@ACCWoods 2h2 hours ago

Authorised operation to arrest main suspect Hannover thugs from yesterday @burnleyfc match. One already arrested boarding plane

Jimscho · Post by **Jimscho** » Sun Aug 06, 2017 7:42 pm

If the police had waded in after the hooligans had started moving the tarpaulin and it had then escalated to the violence that occurred and perhaps worse someone had been seriously injured,who would have been blamed?The police of course.They can't win for some of you.

Somethingfishy · Post by **Somethingfishy** » Sun Aug 06, 2017 7:43 pm

It is almost as if they wanted to protect the general public from the Hannover fans but once inside the stadium full of football fans they were prepared to play Russian roulette with the outcome...and lost.
It is quite clear to see and has been for quite some time now that the Lancashire constabularly and particularly the match commanders at Burnley have had a something of a chip on their shoulder regarding Burnley fans. The derby day bubble arrangements being a prime example.

Somethingfishy · Post by **Somethingfishy** » Sun Aug 06, 2017 7:47 pm

Jimscho wrote:If the police had waded in after the hooligans had started moving the tarpaulin and it had then escalated to the violence that occurred and perhaps worse someone had been seriously injured,who would have been blamed?The police of course.They can't win for some of you.

It wouldn't have been a case of "wading" in. That of course would have been highly inflammatory. A higher police presence and a reinstatement of the tarpaulin would have been sufficient. Instead the stewards were left to deal with it and naturally under provocation they backed down. They had little choice and has been said before..the tone was set.

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Sun Aug 06, 2017 7:48 pm

cutsy123 wrote:Not 1 german will be nicked following investigations

They want to target burnley fans b4 a prem campaign

Just seen 2 different videos, both show at least 3 missiles being returned back to the hannover fans.... Police don't need any extra videos of hannover fans, they want some results after a p1ss poor performance, they won't care which team they support, nor the offence.

Jimscho · Post by **Jimscho** » Sun Aug 06, 2017 7:48 pm

Somethingfishy wrote:It is almost as if they wanted to protect the general public from the Hannover fans but once inside the stadium full of football fans they were prepared to play Russian roulette with the outcome...and lost.
It is quite clear to see and has been for quite some time now that the Lancashire constabularly and particularly the match commanders at Burnley have had a something of a chip on their shoulder regarding Burnley fans. The derby day bubble arrangements being a prime example.

If Burnley fans had behaved in the past the derby day bubble arrangements would not be as they are.Dont tell me there would be no trouble at a derby match.Ive seen it too many times.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Sun Aug 06, 2017 7:51 pm

some serious rubbish spouted on this thread

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sun Aug 06, 2017 7:52 pm

MACCA wrote:Just seen 2 different videos, both show at least 3 missiles being returned back to the hannover fans.... Police don't need any extra videos of hannover fans, they want some results after a p1ss poor performance, they won't care which team they support, nor the offence.

Are you saying that Burnley fans throwing missiles should be immune from prosecution? Because reading your posts it comes across very much like that is the case.

bfccrazy · Post by **bfccrazy** » Sun Aug 06, 2017 7:52 pm

All we needed was the red haired stewardess to just go in and tell the Germans to all sit down ....... That woulda sorted em all.

Been told that we're being watched and talked about for standing up during games ...... Maybe they should concentrate efforts on other things and make better use of the cameras which the club get a semi on, over it's ability to clearly zoom into every seat.

As a side note ...... I really hope it was the Stone Island tattoo lad that got nicked boarding the plane

Jimscho · Post by **Jimscho** » Sun Aug 06, 2017 7:52 pm

Somethingfishy wrote:It wouldn't have been a case of "wading" in. That of course would have been highly inflammatory. A higher police presence and a reinstatement of the tarpaulin would have been sufficient. Instead the stewards were left to deal with it and naturally under provocation they backed down. They had little choice and has been said before..the tone was set.

So the police should have said "don't be naughty boys put that tarpaulin back".As soon as the police had moved towards the hooligans it would have kicked off.That is what they came for.

bfccrazy · Post by **bfccrazy** » Sun Aug 06, 2017 7:54 pm

Jimscho wrote:If Burnley fans had behaved in the past the derby day bubble arrangements would not be as they are.Dont tell me there would be no trouble at a derby match.Ive seen it too many times.

The last couple of times I've been to Ewood to watch us play Rovers without the measures in place ...... I've not seen any trouble.

bfccrazy · Post by **bfccrazy** » Sun Aug 06, 2017 7:56 pm

Jimscho wrote:That is what they came for.

Nobody knew that though at that time apparently...... So why wouldnt they do it.

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Sun Aug 06, 2017 7:56 pm

Rileybobs wrote:Are you saying that Burnley fans throwing missiles should be immune from prosecution? Because reading your posts it comes across very much like that is the case.

Nope I'm saying that the police don't need any extra video evidence to show the hannover fans commuting offences, I believe they are purely wanting to lay the blame at other doors.

1 set of fans instigated the trouble
The police couldn't do their job... again
I'm not condoning the 3 missiles back, as 2 wrongs don't make a right, but it only escalated like it did because the police let the public down.

Jimscho · Post by **Jimscho** » Sun Aug 06, 2017 8:00 pm

bfccrazy wrote:The last couple of times I've been to Ewood to watch us play Rovers without the measures in place ...... I've not seen any trouble.

Must have been a long time ago as every time I have been I have been,Burnley and Blackburn fans have been battling in the streets.Maybe I was just unlucky and was in the wrong part of town.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sun Aug 06, 2017 8:01 pm

MACCA wrote:Nope I'm saying that the police don't need any extra video evidence to show the hannover fans commuting offences, I believe they are purely wanting to lay the blame at other doors.

1 set of fans instigated the trouble
The police couldn't do their job... again
I'm not condoning the 3 missiles back, as 2 wrongs don't make a right, but it only escalated like it did because the police let the public down.

Ok - so even if you are correct (you're not btw) in that the police don't need any extra video evidence to show the Hannover fans committing offences - how exactly is it a bad thing that the police would like additional evidence to show the Burnley fans who broke the law?

Jimscho · Post by **Jimscho** » Sun Aug 06, 2017 8:03 pm

bfccrazy wrote:Nobody knew that though at that time apparently...... So why wouldnt they do it.

I think they probably knew what could happen if they waded in.They are damned if they do and damned if they don't.

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Sun Aug 06, 2017 8:07 pm

In the heat of the moment people react.

Police have a baton to use as force if attacked.. If I had been punched or something thrown at me or my family, I may be inclined to retaliate rather than expect the limp wristed plod to protect me.

It's not right, but the fact still is. The hannover fans and police were the ones at blame for the trouble. No point closing the door after the horse has bolted.

The police will simply be covering their own mistakes and trying to spread the blame about. IMO

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sun Aug 06, 2017 8:12 pm

MACCA wrote:In the heat of the moment people react.

Police have a baton to use as force if attacked.. If I had been punched or something thrown at me or my family, I may be inclined to retaliate rather than expect the limp wristed plod to protect me.

It's not right, but the fact still is. The hannover fans and police were the ones at blame for the trouble. No point closing the door after the horse has bolted.

The police will simply be covering their own mistakes and trying to spread the blame about. IMO

Or maybe they just want to collect as much evidence as possible in order to charge as many guilty people as possible. Your dislike of the police is clouding your judgement and making you look a bit stupid.

bfccrazy · Post by **bfccrazy** » Sun Aug 06, 2017 8:12 pm

Jimscho wrote:Must have been a long time ago as every time I have been I have been,Burnley and Blackburn fans have been battling in the streets.Maybe I was just unlucky and was in the wrong part of town.

The Hyde cup game - there were a few people running about outside acting like big men ....... But for a night game there was nothing major.

Then the youth cup game at ewood which was another evening fixture....

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Sun Aug 06, 2017 8:14 pm

Rileybobs wrote:Or maybe they just want to collect as much evidence as possible in order to charge as many guilty people as possible. Your dislike of the police is clouding your judgement and making you look a bit stupid.

Agreed you're right.

I suggest you point the police to YouTube/twitter/facebook in your quest to get justice

ClaretFelix · Post by **ClaretFelix** » Sun Aug 06, 2017 8:14 pm

I really despair at the tripe being spouted here.
Macca is clearly well versed in Police tactics/resources/intel.

I'm still to see any evidence of the Police asking for evidence for prosecuting our fans? As CT alluded to, both clubs have agreed to work together to investigate which has led to the arrest of one boarding their plane home.

Somethingfishy · Post by **Somethingfishy** » Sun Aug 06, 2017 8:15 pm

Jimscho wrote:So the police should have said "don't be naughty boys put that tarpaulin back".As soon as the police had moved towards the hooligans it would have kicked off.That is what they came for.

So they kick off with the police then within the stand..but surely that than getting to the point they start trying to attack the Burnley fans and throwing seats that injure 4 year old children? The police get paid to deal with trouble like that and they ended up having to do it anyway. Just keep burying your head in the sand and defending the indefensible. They should have been confronted before they had chance to charge the home end. They had just trashed a family restaurant for gods sake and the police leave them alone in a stadium full of families?? Really??

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Sun Aug 06, 2017 8:16 pm

Nows your opportunity frank hand em your picture of the soft lad!

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sun Aug 06, 2017 8:16 pm

MACCA wrote:Agreed you're right.

I suggest you point the police to YouTube/twitter/facebook in your quest to get justice

I'm sure they will be collecting evidence from social media including videos posted on this site. But where exactly is the harm in asking fans who are in attendance to send police videos of the incident? Surely you would prefer the police to have access to as much evidence as possible. You sound really paranoid.

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Sun Aug 06, 2017 8:18 pm

Has anyone blamed this on Brexit yet?

TractorFace · Post by **TractorFace** » Sun Aug 06, 2017 8:20 pm

Yeah, someone upthread did. This thread has all the UTC talents - some real 'classic' comments on here.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Sun Aug 06, 2017 8:22 pm

Rileybobs wrote:I'm sure they will be collecting evidence from social media including videos posted on this site. But where exactly is the harm in asking fans who are in attendance to send police videos of the incident? Surely you would prefer the police to have access to as much evidence as possible. You sound really paranoid.

The officer in charged failed in his duty. Dress it up how you like.it wasn't a massive crowd to police was it. They had the intelligence prior to the game. The commander failed in his duty.

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Sun Aug 06, 2017 8:22 pm

ClaretFelix wrote:I really despair at the tripe being spouted here.
Macca is clearly well versed in Police tactics/resources/intel.

I'm still to see any evidence of the Police asking for evidence for prosecuting our fans? As CT alluded to, both clubs have agreed to work together to investigate which has led to the arrest of one boarding their plane home.

Tactics - got them 100% wrong, they didn't work
Resources - plenty, couldn't/didn't do the job
Intel - admitted to having some, yet still didn't act correctly
Intel - many on here knew what may happen , police didn't act on what the supposedly knew.

Lets hope after contributing greatly to the mess, they can at least clean it up a bit and get some justice/results.

Reecey1987 · Post by **Reecey1987** » Sun Aug 06, 2017 8:24 pm

Anybody know if we will be getting some kind of refund ?

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Sun Aug 06, 2017 8:25 pm

Rileybobs wrote:I'm sure they will be collecting evidence from social media including videos posted on this site. But where exactly is the harm in asking fans who are in attendance to send police videos of the incident? Surely you would prefer the police to have access to as much evidence as possible. You sound really paranoid.

Nothing wrong, just a bit hypocritical IMO, asking your usual scape goat to help you out ( my original point ) when you don't do your job correctly.

I am, my season ticket is in that stand..

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Sun Aug 06, 2017 8:26 pm

Reecey1987 wrote:Anybody know if we will be getting some kind of refund ?

A free twix bar to all who attended. At the next home game

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sun Aug 06, 2017 8:27 pm

tim_noone wrote:The officer in charged failed in his duty. Dress it up how you like.it wasn't a massive crowd to police was it. They had the intelligence prior to the game. The commander failed in his duty.

Perhaps he did. I have almost zero knowledge on police tactics and crowd control. I'm not trying to dress anything up. I don't see how the police's alleged incompetence would make people question their request for video evidence which could lead to the prosecution of violent thugs. I also don't care which team they follow because I have absolutely no more association with a Burnley supporting hooligan than a Hannover supporting hooligan.

Diesel · Post by **Diesel** » Sun Aug 06, 2017 8:28 pm

Damo wrote:Has anyone blamed this on Brexit yet?

Twixit.

Reecey1987 · Post by **Reecey1987** » Sun Aug 06, 2017 8:28 pm

tim_noone wrote:A free twix bar to all who attended. At the next home game

I was hoping for a bit more than that maybe throw in twirl or a boost aswell

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sun Aug 06, 2017 8:29 pm

MACCA wrote:Lets hope after contributing greatly to the mess, they can at least clean it up a bit and get some justice/results.

That might be difficult if football fans with evidence refuse to share it based on some kind of weird grudge.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sun Aug 06, 2017 8:31 pm

MACCA wrote:Nothing wrong, just a bit hypocritical IMO, asking your usual scape goat to help you out ( my original point ) when you don't do your job correctly.

I am, my season ticket is in that stand..

Are Burnley fans really Lancashire Police's usual scapegoat? I must have missed that.

Why are you paranoid because your ticket is in that stand?

dermotdermot · Post by **dermotdermot** » Sun Aug 06, 2017 8:32 pm

So much has been made of this incident. Okay, I wasn't there, but the whole event looked like handbags at dawn to me.

Top Claret · Post by **Top Claret** » Sun Aug 06, 2017 8:34 pm

I am now awaiting the announcement of a government enquiry

TractorFace · Post by **TractorFace** » Sun Aug 06, 2017 8:35 pm

Dermot, you wouldn't be saying that if a wooden seat had hit someone on the head.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Sun Aug 06, 2017 8:36 pm

for what it's worth;
Can't everyone involved just put this relatively minor incident behind them?
Put it down to experience , learn and move on.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Sun Aug 06, 2017 8:37 pm

Rileybobs wrote:That might be difficult if football fans with evidence refuse to share it based on some kind of weird grudge.

Most people will offer evidence if it suits their agenda I would guess.and I'm going to say it.. Burnley police given the chance would nick a burnley fan before another fact!

Top Claret · Post by **Top Claret** » Sun Aug 06, 2017 8:37 pm

If the Germans are reading this, they will be ******* themselves

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Sun Aug 06, 2017 8:38 pm

boatshed bill wrote:for what it's worth;
Can't everyone involved just put this relatively minor incident behind them?
Put it down to experience , learn and move on.

Correct bill cos that's what it was.

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Sun Aug 06, 2017 8:44 pm

Rileybobs wrote:Are Burnley fans really Lancashire Police's usual scapegoat? I must have missed that.

Why are you paranoid because your ticket is in that stand?

I'm not, just playing a long with the game you've got going on in your head.

( my season ticket is in that stand though)

It's not a grudge I've got with police as a whole, just the ones that cannot do their job correctly.

Jimmymaccer · Post by **Jimmymaccer** » Sun Aug 06, 2017 8:48 pm

Relatively minor incident.....

That's ok then, just a few harmless kids.

No it was organised thuggery, and there's no place for that. 5 or 500, needs dealing with.

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Sun Aug 06, 2017 8:48 pm

tim_noone wrote:Most people will offer evidence if it suits their agenda I would guess.and I'm going to say it.. Burnley police given the chance would nick a burnley fan before another fact!

Aye up, don't be telling the truth, it hurts some people.

99.9 of away game I attend, the police look after the away fans ( Are in the same stand, the away fans side of seggrigation )
Turf Moor always used to be the opposite way round. Any reaction from.a home supporter = arrest made.

Someone should put a link up of the YouTube video, to show how police treat Burnley fans who did nothing compared to the Germans Saturday ( who by the way assaulted officers and threw chairs endangering life )