Incident in Barcelona

IndigoLake · Post by **IndigoLake** » Thu Aug 17, 2017 7:44 pm

No Ney Never wrote:Just had to call the wife's mum and dad to check they are ok. Fortunately they'd just left Barcelona at lunch time after boarding a train for Blanes at placa de catalunya. The wife and I were there two weeks ago.
Indigo, hope you and yours remain safe.

Thank you, No Nay Never - much appreciated. Glad that your in-laws are safe and well - Blanes is a lovely place.

Clarinetclaret · Post by **Clarinetclaret** » Thu Aug 17, 2017 8:32 pm

Garnerssoap wrote:Pretty grim stuff.

Slightly o/t but had a row with my missus about holidays this year. Ordinarily would go to south of France/Spain. She dug her heels in as worried about crowds /airports etc.

Guesswho won - st Ives was lovely

So what are you going to do for the rest of your life, avoid crowds and airports? I can understand reservations about people going to Turkey, Egypt and Tunisia at the moment, but this could happen anywhere.
Anyway my heart goes out to yet more innocent victims of these brainwashed monsters.

Claret-On-A-T-Rex · Post by **Claret-On-A-T-Rex** » Thu Aug 17, 2017 8:50 pm

I live just down the road from Barcelona,I was there on Monday, just letting you know all my family and my friends are safe.
A second suspect has just been killed trying to escape the city.

dpinsussex · Post by **dpinsussex** » Thu Aug 17, 2017 8:52 pm

El periodico reporting 12 dead and 50 injured
Gets worse

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Thu Aug 17, 2017 9:10 pm

No Ney Never wrote:Just had to call the wife's mum and dad to check they are ok. Fortunately they'd just left Barcelona at lunch time after boarding a train for Blanes at placa de catalunya. The wife and I were there two weeks ago.
Indigo, hope you and yours remain safe.

Love blanes..

No Ney Never · Post by **No Ney Never** » Thu Aug 17, 2017 10:23 pm

tim_noone wrote:Love blanes..

Was there for a couple of weeks taking in the fireworks festival back end of July. Also spent a few days in Barcelona staying in a hotel opposite Port Vell in the baroque area. We sat and ate in La Boqueria, fantastic food market, now it's on TV full of armed policia. Very sad. My thoughts are with the dead, the injured, the witnesses and all the people in Barcelona tonight.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Thu Aug 17, 2017 10:40 pm

No Ney Never wrote:Was there for a couple of weeks taking in the fireworks festival back end of July. Also spent a few days in Barcelona staying in a hotel opposite Port Vell in the baroque area. We sat and ate in La Boqueria, fantastic food market, now it's on TV full of armed policia. Very sad. My thoughts are with the dead, the injured, the witnesses and all the people in Barcelona tonight.

Yes a great city,all good on the costa brava for me..nice people and such a laid back atmosphere.havent been for a while love the market and the firework displays. God bless the people of catalunya.r.i.p to the desceased.i guess all our thoughts are with the families affected.

dpinsussex · Post by **dpinsussex** » Thu Aug 17, 2017 10:44 pm

Coupme hours later the news gets worse
13 dead and 80 injured.
Lo siento
Soy muy simpatico con la gente de cataluna

Fuerte es muy importante

3putt · Post by **3putt** » Thu Aug 17, 2017 10:48 pm

Blackrod wrote:Awful again. Murder by deranged scumbags. Let's keep an open mind about who they are as they could even be Christian or Catholic extremists for all we know.

Agree with your sentiments about these deranged, evil specimens. But let's face it as soon as you hear of these increasingly common atrocities, you know full well the culprits will not be Christian or Catholics.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Thu Aug 17, 2017 11:02 pm

3putt wrote:Agree with your sentiments about these deranged, evil specimens. But let's face it as soon as you hear of these increasingly common atrocities, you know full well the culprits will not be Christian or Catholics.

No, but I bet there was a lot of people on here who were desperately hoping it was.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Thu Aug 17, 2017 11:08 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:No, but I bet there was a lot of people on here who were desperately hoping it was.

They'll all be on tomorrow waving their hankies.

3putt · Post by **3putt** » Thu Aug 17, 2017 11:14 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:No, but I bet there was a lot of people on here who were desperately hoping it was.

Sadly so.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Thu Aug 17, 2017 11:15 pm

What are you idiots on about? Why do you have to use incidents like these as an excuse to try and score cheap political points. Grow up.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Thu Aug 17, 2017 11:21 pm

Political points?

3putt · Post by **3putt** » Thu Aug 17, 2017 11:32 pm

Rileybobs wrote:What are you idiots on about? Why do you have to use incidents like these as an excuse to try and score cheap political points. Grow up.

Not sure whether this comment was aimed at me or not? But if it was, I can assure you, you are very very wrong. I could not give a flying **** about scoring cheap political points at the best of times. Innocent people have been been brutally murdered and lives torn apart. I would be embarrassed to be even suggesting political point scoring if the aftermath of such tragedy.

Goodclaret · Post by **Goodclaret** » Thu Aug 17, 2017 11:35 pm

Visited Barcelona twice in the last couple of years with my family and we love the city. To see something so terrible happen where we all walked down seems to make it feel more "real" if that makes sense.

These attacks won't stop me travelling to great places like this but I can understand why some will choose not to.

Thoughts, once again, with the victims and their families. As mentioned above, stay safe our fellow Clarets out there, I can imagine it will have an uneasy feel in the city.

Claret-On-A-T-Rex · Post by **Claret-On-A-T-Rex** » Fri Aug 18, 2017 12:07 am

3putt wrote:Agree with your sentiments about these deranged, evil specimens. But let's face it as soon as you hear of these increasingly common atrocities, you know full well the culprits will not be Christian or Catholics.

I live in a town just next to Barcelona, I moved here in 2004 and lived in a hostel off Las Ramblas for the first six months.

I was there on Las Ramblas with my wife and little boy on Tuesday after visiting a Harry Potter themed bar on Diagonal.

My best mate Franco was supposed to be going there today with his brother and cousin but fortunately they changed their plans at the last minute.

I've spent the last six hours checking all my family and friends, ex-colleagues and students (I was an English teacher in Barcelona for many years before I became an author) are all ok. So far, nobody I know has been involved. Thank god.

Ridiculous statements about the religion practised by the perpetrators does no help whatsoever, they are neither appreciated or welcome.

Claret-On-A-T-Rex · Post by **Claret-On-A-T-Rex** » Fri Aug 18, 2017 12:22 am

3putt wrote:Agree with your sentiments about these deranged, evil specimens. But let's face it as soon as you hear of these increasingly common atrocities, you know full well the culprits will not be Christian or Catholics.

So what religion was the culprit who plowed his car into a crowd of people in Charlottesville on Saturday killing Heather Heyers and injuring more than a dozen others?

Shotgun · Post by **Shotgun** » Fri Aug 18, 2017 1:45 am

My wife and I had just got on the coach after visiting the Nou Camp and were just about to set off for the area of the attack, from then on the city was in lock down with police roadblocks. It took us 6 hours to get out of the city. Terrible for everyone involved, our thoughts go out to all the unfortunate people and their families.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Fri Aug 18, 2017 6:48 am

Claret-On-A-T-Rex wrote:So what religion was the culprit who plowed his car into a crowd of people in Charlottesville on Saturday killing Heather Heyers and injuring more than a dozen others?

And very little condemnation either. I wonder why?

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Fri Aug 18, 2017 7:01 am

Spijed wrote:And very little condemnation either. I wonder why?

Is that a joke?

All we have seen for days is solid and unrelenting condemnation of not just the far right terrorists, but literally anyone to the right after that attack by a nazi sympathiser.

The tone since this attack however has been typically subdued. No mass outrage and a strikingly different tone coming out from the media and politicians. Its almost as hough they want you to get angry about one type of extremism but be passive, and submissive about another.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Fri Aug 18, 2017 7:25 am

Ah good, it's descending into finger pointing about who's committed which murderous act...

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Fri Aug 18, 2017 7:29 am

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Meanwhile 5 more suspected killers have been shot dead by Spanish police.
All 5 suspects were possibly wearing suicide vests.

Unfortunately this is only going to get worse and become more frequent.
You can't fight an ideology this warped with conventional methods.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Aug 18, 2017 7:44 am

To quote Darth Vader CM

"Your journey to the Dark Side is now complete"

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Fri Aug 18, 2017 7:57 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:To quote Darth Vader CM

"Your journey to the Dark Side is now complete"

You can't tell me you don't see it too LC, surely?

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Aug 18, 2017 8:16 am

I see condemnation of both attacks (apart from the belated one from President Hitler)

I see two terrorist incidents, both completely reprehensible.

I see mass coverage of both attacks.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Fri Aug 18, 2017 8:25 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:I see condemnation of both attacks (apart from the belated one from President Hitler)

I see two terrorist incidents, both completely reprehensible.

I see mass coverage of both attacks.

I'm not talking about the level of coverage, I'm talking about the tone and strength of condemnation and the vilification of each ideology. It's totally different and you know it.

morpheus2 · Post by **morpheus2** » Fri Aug 18, 2017 8:32 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:To quote Darth Vader CM

"Your journey to the Dark Side is now complete"

What's happened? Has he reverted to Islam?

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Fri Aug 18, 2017 8:35 am

morpheus2 wrote:What's happened? Has he reverted to Islam?

+1 for using the term revert instead of convert. You know your Islam sir.

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Fri Aug 18, 2017 8:36 am

ClaretMoffitt wrote:I'm not talking about the level of coverage, I'm talking about the tone and strength of condemnation and the vilification of each ideology. It's totally different and you know it.

Of course it's totally different.

All people who choose to be Nazis have hateful beliefs. They can pretty much all be tarted with the same brush so it's reasonable to condemn all of them.

Religious fanatics are only a small minority of a large religion. Any reasonable person (that's a reasonable person, not a "libtard") would not condemn every follower of that religion because of the actions of the very few.

Caballo · Post by **Caballo** » Fri Aug 18, 2017 8:41 am

In fairness CM the Barcelona attack is very new, I'd like to think the condemnation will follow. The Charlottesville story has been rumbling on all week so there's been far more opportunity for everyone to have their say.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Aug 18, 2017 8:41 am

Family Cat has nailed it CM.

morpheus2 · Post by **morpheus2** » Fri Aug 18, 2017 8:41 am

ClaretMoffitt wrote:+1 for using the term revert instead of convert. You know your Islam sir.

I should know! La Illaha il Allah brother! All non Muslims are apostates of Islam on the strength that we are all born Muslim, none of us are innocent.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Fri Aug 18, 2017 8:42 am

TheFamilyCat wrote:Of course it's totally different.

All people who choose to be Nazis have hateful beliefs. They can pretty much all be tarted with the same brush so it's reasonable to condemn all of them.

Religious fanatics are only a small minority of a large religion. Any reasonable person (that's a reasonable person, not a "libtard") would not condemn every follower of that religion because of the actions of the very few.

Except it's not only the nazis getting condemned, it's pretty much anyone on the right. There is an absolute witch hunt going on in America right now on people the left deem to be "white supremecists" but such is the hysteria that regular conservative youth's are getting the label too

3putt · Post by **3putt** » Fri Aug 18, 2017 8:45 am

Claret-On-A-T-Rex wrote:I live in a town just next to Barcelona, I moved here in 2004 and lived in a hostel off Las Ramblas for the first six months.

I was there on Las Ramblas with my wife and little boy on Tuesday after visiting a Harry Potter themed bar on Diagonal.

My best mate Franco was supposed to be going there today with his brother and cousin but fortunately they changed their plans at the last minute.

I've spent the last six hours checking all my family and friends, ex-colleagues and students (I was an English teacher in Barcelona for many years before I became an author) are all ok. So far, nobody I know has been involved. Thank god.

Ridiculous statements about the religion practised by the perpetrators does no help whatsoever, they are neither appreciated or welcome.

I am genuinely happy to hear that your family and friends are all okay. But tragically innocent people have lost their lives. Some of those may have been and born and bred in Barcelona and some there visiting.That doesn't matter, all equally terrible in my eyes.

If you bothered to read the thread properly, you will see that I was quoting another poster who suggested that the atrocity could of been carried out by Catholics or Christians. I was simply stating that that was highly unlikely to be the case. Following the history of recent similar events you hardly need to be a genius to presume this.

I really don't care whether or not you appreciate or welcome my reasonable assumption. I just wished these terrible crimes carried out by evil,deranged animals in the name of religion could come to an end.

morpheus2 · Post by **morpheus2** » Fri Aug 18, 2017 8:46 am

TheFamilyCat wrote:Of course it's totally different.

All people who choose to be Nazis have hateful beliefs. They can pretty much all be tarted with the same brush so it's reasonable to condemn all of them.

Religious fanatics are only a small minority of a large religion. Any reasonable person (that's a reasonable person, not a "libtard") would not condemn every follower of that religion because of the actions of the very few.

Hey, maybe Schindler was a typical National Socialist following the National Socialist Program correctly and the Hitler type National Socialists were following a 'perverted twisted' form of National Socialism?

Caballo · Post by **Caballo** » Fri Aug 18, 2017 8:46 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:Family Cat has nailed it CM.

Apart from everybody right of centre isn't a Nazi and 'we' seem to be struggling with that distinction.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Aug 18, 2017 8:49 am

No one has said anything different.

It took President Trump 48 hours to condemn Charlottesville for what it was, and only under massive pressure from his sane advisors.

As soon as he was in front of the press, he showed his true colours again.

What really worries me is that sensible people are not seeing all the parallels in history for what he is doing, and he's dragging enough people along with him for this to be a real **** storm.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Fri Aug 18, 2017 8:53 am

Black people get together to express their dissatisfaction- empowerment.

White people get together to express their dissatisfaction- nazis.

Whites/Right responsible for death- all whites and people on the right are murderous racist nazis. Condemnation and clamour for global unequivocal condemnation from political estanlishment.

Blacks/Left responsible for death-a result of institutional racism and centuries of injustice and repression.

Muslims responsible for death-only a tiny minority mustn't tar all with the same brush. A crazed loner. We must not allow the far right what it wants and be guilty of an islamaphobic backlash towards all Muslims.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Aug 18, 2017 8:55 am

White people get to together to moan about a statue of a slave owner being taken down, with their own militia, with more guns than the police to protect them. They are all tooled up and beat up black people, after making sure they outnumber them about ten to one.

Black people got together after too many of them got shot and killed by (mainly) white police officers.

Gee, its just the same really.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Aug 18, 2017 8:56 am

So you are saying that the terrorist in Charlotsville was a crazed loner Ringo?

claretandy · Post by **claretandy** » Fri Aug 18, 2017 8:58 am

Anyone right of centre : you're to blame for charlottsville,

Any ISIS inspired attack : Dont blame Islam, its a religion of peace.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Fri Aug 18, 2017 9:00 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:White people get to together to moan about a statue of a slave owner being taken down, with thier own militia, with more guns than the police to protect them. They are all tooled up and beat up black people, after making sure they outnumber them about ten to one.

Black people got together after too many of them got shot and killed by (mainly) white police officers.

Gee, its just the same really.

See post 39.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Aug 18, 2017 9:04 am

Er, yeah, but Blackrod thinks like you. I'm pretty sure he was taking the ****.

Still, do you think that Charlotsville was a deranged loner though?

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Fri Aug 18, 2017 9:18 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:Er, yeah, but Blackrod thinks like you. I'm pretty sure he was taking the ****.

Still, do you think that Charlotsville was a deranged loner though?

I don't know a thing about him. To be honest.

SalouClaret · Post by **SalouClaret** » Fri Aug 18, 2017 9:37 am

I own a bar in Salou, the next town on from Cambrills where I have many friends and visit every other week. Cambrills is a small fishing town and a beautiful place. I'm in shock, this is sickening for me.

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Fri Aug 18, 2017 9:52 am

Caballo wrote:Apart from everybody right of centre isn't a Nazi and 'we' seem to be struggling with that distinction.

I never said they were. I can make a distinction, thanks.

Midmoorclaret · Post by **Midmoorclaret** » Fri Aug 18, 2017 10:03 am

I thought this thread was supposed to be about the tragic incident in Barcelona, why the hell can't some posters keep it that way please?

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Fri Aug 18, 2017 10:21 am

5 islamic terrorists shot dead in quiet holiday resort of Cabrills.

I guess Sadiq Khan was right when he said that it's just "part and parcel of living in a big city”

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Aug 18, 2017 10:26 am

You really are a walking, talking cliche at times Ringo.

What the **** has Sadiq Khan got to do with terrorists in a Spanish coastal resort?

He's democratically elected , condemns the attacks and talks about stuff using reality and the rule of law.

All you can see is his religion, his skin colour and his heritage.

Its all a bit depressing really.