Fans being asked to leave yesterday

BleedingClaret · Post by **BleedingClaret** » Mon Aug 21, 2017 2:48 pm

The type of people in charge of these things tend to be very arrogant by nature.
Burnley fans are a soft target but you know your line about putting people in harms way, is so true, if somebody had the energy to take them on they basically did know that a bunch of nutters were coming and what they intended to do and they did as you say put Burnley fans, kids and all, in harms way.
They should be careful who they accuse of what.

billyhamilton82 · Post by **billyhamilton82** » Mon Aug 21, 2017 3:23 pm

"There really are some on here who think that Burnley fans can do no wrong."

Missing the point totally. In fact you couldn't have missed it more if you actually tried.

Its not about Burnley fans its about putting BFC and Hannover fans in a potentially hazardous situation.

Both sets of fans have a hooligan element I am not and never have denied that.

BUT both sets of fans also had decent people including kids and families mixed in their number.

If both sets of fans have a hooligan element (with one section in particular proven that they wish to cause trouble) who in their right mind would put them both in the same stand separated by a large piece of cloth and a skeleton staff.

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Mon Aug 21, 2017 3:34 pm

billyhamilton82 wrote:"There really are some on here who think that Burnley fans can do no wrong."

Missing the point totally. In fact you couldn't have missed it more if you actually tried.

Its not about Burnley fans its about putting BFC and Hannover fans in a potentially hazardous situation.

Both sets of fans have a hooligan element I am not and never have denied that.

BUT both sets of fans also had decent people including kids and families mixed in their number.

If both sets of fans have a hooligan element (with one section in particular proven that they wish to cause trouble) who in their right mind would put them both in the same stand separated by a large piece of cloth and a skeleton staff.

If you really believe that that level of trouble was predictable at a pre-season friendly then I'd agree with you.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

Braindead · Post by **Braindead** » Mon Aug 21, 2017 3:38 pm

Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but Hanover had previous 12 months earlier at Norwich, it's not rocket science to assume similar may happen...?

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Mon Aug 21, 2017 3:40 pm

Braindead wrote:Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but Hanover had previous 12 months earlier at Norwich, it's not rocket science to assume similar may happen...?

I've heard this mentioned before. Did the game at Norwich have to be abandoned too?

AlargeClaret · Post by **AlargeClaret** » Mon Aug 21, 2017 3:46 pm

Maybe CFS fans were asked to leave due to their remarkable silence after the first ten mins of most games?

clarethomer · Post by **clarethomer** » Mon Aug 21, 2017 4:12 pm

mybloodisclaret wrote:Stan 8 said he heard a steward say it was because of that and to see safety officer.

Sorry, just seen that now.. Going blind.

I did see some chairs being thrown back so maybe this was why they were questioned?

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Aug 21, 2017 4:16 pm

Braindead wrote:Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but Hanover had previous 12 months earlier at Norwich, it's not rocket science to assume similar may happen...?

Not according to Norwich City FC they didn't - no problems inside Carrow Road.

billyhamilton82 · Post by **billyhamilton82** » Mon Aug 21, 2017 4:28 pm

"Not according to Norwich City FC they didn't - no problems inside Carrow Road."

They've obviously got a "proper" safety team.

Well done Norwich City.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Mon Aug 21, 2017 4:51 pm

The point most are missing is that it was posted on here a week before the match what would happen. Didnt even need hindsight as there was foresight!

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Aug 21, 2017 4:53 pm

billyhamilton82 wrote:"Not according to Norwich City FC they didn't - no problems inside Carrow Road."

They've obviously got a "proper" safety team.

Well done Norwich City.

Police free game at Norwich I'm told, they just didn't cause any problems.

Braindead · Post by **Braindead** » Mon Aug 21, 2017 4:57 pm

The facts on here are that people are being pulled (Rightly or wrongly) for their part in football hooliganism that was wholly instigated by fans of an opposing team - fans that have not and WILL NOT be punished for their actions, and make no mistake there would have been no retaliation had the Hanover fans not acted in the manner they did.
Nobody is suggesting that guilty Burnley fans shouldn't be punished, it's the complete one-sided nature of Lancashire Police's 'investigations' and I use the term loosely, that is annoying people and rightly so imo.

billyhamilton82 · Post by **billyhamilton82** » Mon Aug 21, 2017 4:58 pm

"Police free game at Norwich I'm told, they just didn't cause any problems."

The issue isn't and never was with the police.

Its the safety management of Turf Moor.

Tells its own story when they didn't even have police present.

Obviously a well managed and safety orientated ground...."even for friendlies"

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Mon Aug 21, 2017 5:00 pm

Braindead wrote:The facts on here are that people are being pulled (Rightly or wrongly) for their part in football hooliganism that was wholly instigated by fans of an opposing team - fans that have not and WILL NOT be punished for their actions, and make no mistake there would have been no retaliation had the Hanover fans not acted in the manner they did.
Nobody is suggesting that guilty Burnley fans shouldn't be punished, it's the complete one-sided nature of Lancashire Police's 'investigations' and I use the term loosely, that is annoying people and rightly so imo.

Where is your evidence that no Hanover fans will be punished? I would suggest that you haven't any.

Braindead · Post by **Braindead** » Mon Aug 21, 2017 5:02 pm

fidelcastro wrote:Where is your evidence that no Hanover fans will be punished? I would suggest that you haven't any.

Well they are taking their sweet time about it - how many have been pulled so far, almost three weeks later?...I can tell you, in case you are struggling - ZERO.

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Mon Aug 21, 2017 5:06 pm

Braindead wrote:Well they are taking their sweet time about it - how many have been pulled so far, almost three weeks later?...I can tell you, in case you are struggling - ZERO.

So, none were arrested at the airport, then?

Braindead · Post by **Braindead** » Mon Aug 21, 2017 5:10 pm

fidelcastro wrote:So, none were arrested at the airport, then?

Lol - questioned and then let go back to Germany - how many have been actually CHARGED?

When you bear in mind that stewards and police officers were injured and hospitalised by the Hanover fans' actions then it is an absolute disgrace, because had the boot been on the other foot and the fighting originated in the Burnley end - there would have been arrests galore.

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Mon Aug 21, 2017 5:14 pm

Braindead wrote:Lol - questioned and then let go back to Germany - how many have been actually CHARGED?

When you bear in mind that stewards and police officers were injured and hospitalised by the Hanover fans' actions then it is an absolute disgrace, because had the boot been on the other foot and the fighting originated in the Burnley end - there would have been arrests galore.

All this is guess work on your part. That much is obvious.

I doubt German Police are sharing their investigation with you.

Braindead · Post by **Braindead** » Mon Aug 21, 2017 5:18 pm

fidelcastro wrote:All this is guess work on your part. That much is obvious.

I doubt German Police are sharing their investigation with you.

Do you really, honestly think that German police are giving a monkeys about this situation? How hard is it to scan Burnley's CCTV, get the Hanover police spotters (I am sure these guys are known to the old bill out there) to identify the culprits and then start arresting and then charging them - has this happened? No, do you know why? Because this isn't going to happen.

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Mon Aug 21, 2017 5:19 pm

Braindead wrote:Do you really, honestly think that German police are giving a monkeys about this situation? How hard is it to scan Burnley's CCTV, get the Hanover police spotters (I am sure these guys are known to the old bill out there) to identify the culprits and then start arresting and then charging them - has this happened? No, do you know why? Because this isn't going to happen.

And you know this for a fact, right?

How many have been arrested/charged? I don't know, and I suspect you don't either.

Braindead · Post by **Braindead** » Mon Aug 21, 2017 5:23 pm

fidelcastro wrote:And you know this for a fact, right?

How many have been arrested/charged? I don't know, and I suspect you don't either.

I do - it is ZERO.

There's thing called the internet where you can check these things - try it.

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Mon Aug 21, 2017 5:26 pm

Braindead wrote:I do - it is ZERO.

There's thing called the internet where you can check these things - try it.

What am I googling?

"Germans charged for throwing seats at pre-season friendly"

Is it even that newsworthy?

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Mon Aug 21, 2017 5:28 pm

Braindead wrote:I do - it is ZERO.

There's thing called the internet where you can check these things - try it.

You flogging a dead horse he would argue in an empty phone box

mybloodisclaret · Post by **mybloodisclaret** » Mon Aug 21, 2017 5:30 pm

Braindead wrote:The facts on here are that people are being pulled (Rightly or wrongly) for their part in football hooliganism that was wholly instigated by fans of an opposing team - fans that have not and WILL NOT be punished for their actions, and make no mistake there would have been no retaliation had the Hanover fans not acted in the manner they did.
Nobody is suggesting that guilty Burnley fans shouldn't be punished, it's the complete one-sided nature of Lancashire Police's 'investigations' and I use the term loosely, that is annoying people and rightly so imo.

Eh? How many Burnley fans have been arrested? I would suggest, although I don't know, but I reckon the figure is zero.

How many Hannover fans have been arrested? Again I don't know the figures but it was reported that arrests were made.

The club (that's not the police) appear to have decided to have reason to speak with a select group of Burnley supporters over what? We really don't know, unless you can enlighten us? One sided investigation, not sure how that fits in?

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Mon Aug 21, 2017 5:32 pm

tim_noone wrote:You flogging a dead horse he would argue in an empty phone box

Aaarrgh, Tim Loon has turned up!

My cue to leave.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Mon Aug 21, 2017 5:37 pm

As I said....off to do his homework now.

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Mon Aug 21, 2017 5:44 pm

tim_noone wrote:As I said....off to do his homework now.

Where did you say that?

It appears that you are the one who needs to go back to school, when you don't seem to know the difference between "you" and "you're".

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Mon Aug 21, 2017 5:47 pm

fidelcastro wrote:Aaarrgh, Tim Loon has turned up!

My cue to leave.

do it'

Barry_Chuckle · Post by **Barry_Chuckle** » Mon Aug 21, 2017 7:28 pm

fidelcastro wrote:
Is it even that newsworthy?

It was very newsworthy at the time yes, Radio Headline coverage and discussions, news headline coverage and paper space galore covered by it

TomtheClaret · Post by **TomtheClaret** » Mon Aug 21, 2017 7:48 pm

I was in Cfs on Saturday. Two lads near us were pulled for verbal abuse of girl serving at outside refreshment stand. They were kicked out and didn't come back. There mate a few rows back kicked off was taken away but came back about 10 mins later. Were on under 18s tickets, bit ****** and were denied more.

clarethomer · Post by **clarethomer** » Mon Aug 21, 2017 7:55 pm

TomtheClaret wrote:I was in Cfs on Saturday. Two lads near us were pulled for verbal abuse of girl serving at outside refreshment stand. They were kicked out and didn't come back. There mate a few rows back kicked off was taken away but came back about 10 mins later. Were on under 18s tickets, bit ****** and were denied more.

I'm getting confused now.... We had fans removed because of the Hannover game... some may have got a talking to for chucking coins then we have abusive fans shouting at a poor girl trying to do her job and then we had a ****** up fan kicking off also for no apparent reason.

Sounds like some people need to grow up a little bit and take responsibility for their own actions and not blame the club and police because they are perceived to be easier targets. Life is certainly unfair when you can't act this way on a Saturday afternoon at the football...

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Aug 21, 2017 7:57 pm

Braindead wrote:The facts on here are that people are being pulled (Rightly or wrongly) for their part in football hooliganism that was wholly instigated by fans of an opposing team - fans that have not and WILL NOT be punished for their actions, and make no mistake there would have been no retaliation had the Hanover fans not acted in the manner they did.
Nobody is suggesting that guilty Burnley fans shouldn't be punished, it's the complete one-sided nature of Lancashire Police's 'investigations' and I use the term loosely, that is annoying people and rightly so imo.

How do you know Hannover fans will not be punished?

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Aug 21, 2017 7:59 pm

Braindead wrote:Well they are taking their sweet time about it - how many have been pulled so far, almost three weeks later?...I can tell you, in case you are struggling - ZERO.

Wrong again I'm afraid Braindead

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Mon Aug 21, 2017 8:05 pm

If there's one thing that gets me riled it's folk giving sh1te to the staff at the refreshment stands.

I've had my fair share of confrontations about that.

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Mon Aug 21, 2017 8:06 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Wrong again I'm afraid Braindead

I'd already tried challenging his "opinions".

I hope you have better luck than I did.

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Mon Aug 21, 2017 8:08 pm

Bin Ont Turf wrote:If there's one thing that gets me riled it's folk giving sh1te to the staff at the refreshment stands.

I've had my fair share of confrontations about that.

The workers there are mostly kids too, aren't they?

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Mon Aug 21, 2017 8:14 pm

fidelcastro wrote:The workers there are mostly kids too, aren't they?

They usually are youngish, but I've seen it happen more at away games.

I once gripped one of ours at Tranmere for being a tosser with them.

They're just trying to do a job.

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Mon Aug 21, 2017 8:16 pm

Bin Ont Turf wrote:They usually are youngish, but I've seen it happen more at away games.

I once gripped one of ours at Tranmere for being a tosser with them.

They're just trying to do a job.

Yes, and for crap pay too.

Be nice to them!

Braindead · Post by **Braindead** » Mon Aug 21, 2017 8:42 pm

fidelcastro wrote:I'd already tried challenging his "opinions".

I hope you have better luck than I did.

Of course it's an opinion, until you can provide some sort of evidence to prove otherwise that Hanover fans have indeed been arrested and charged, I suggest you climb down from your high horse.

mybloodisclaret · Post by **mybloodisclaret** » Mon Aug 21, 2017 9:28 pm

Braindead and Tim... are you proper bezzies?

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Mon Aug 21, 2017 10:40 pm

TomtheClaret wrote:I was in Cfs on Saturday. Two lads near us were pulled for verbal abuse of girl serving at outside refreshment stand. They were kicked out and didn't come back. There mate a few rows back kicked off was taken away but came back about 10 mins later. Were on under 18s tickets, bit ****** and were denied more.

Same sort of bell ends that probably abuse stewards.

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Tue Aug 22, 2017 1:48 am

Braindead wrote:Of course it's an opinion, until you can provide some sort of evidence to prove otherwise that Hanover fans have indeed been arrested and charged, I suggest you climb down from your high horse.

I never said they had been charged. It was you who claimed as fact that they hadn't.

The fact is you don't know.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Wed Aug 23, 2017 10:56 am

Already getting a semi on threatening bans before anyones even sneezed.

http://www.burnleyexpress.net/news/poli ... -1-8715145" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Ashingtonclaret46 · Post by **Ashingtonclaret46** » Wed Aug 23, 2017 11:06 am

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Already getting a semi on threatening bans before anyones even sneezed.

http://www.burnleyexpress.net/news/poli ... -1-8715145" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

According to the article --this is a different cup competition!

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Wed Aug 23, 2017 11:10 am

Ashingtonclaret46 wrote:According to the article --this is a different cup competition!

Caribou

I've avoided that - just refer to it as the League Cup

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Wed Aug 23, 2017 11:18 am

Police are "looking" to secure banning orders. Right ok.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Wed Aug 23, 2017 11:20 am

tim_noone wrote:Police are "looking" to secure banning orders. Right ok.

Somewhat out of context if you read the article and clearly very wrong to highlight the word looking in that way.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Wed Aug 23, 2017 11:31 am

Well let's hope it passes off peaceful without incident.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Wed Aug 23, 2017 11:38 am

It has been confirmed to me the Hannover trouble was planned for the 38th minute, I don't know why 38 was so significant for them in their demonstration or whatever.

I presume this info was found out after the event or someone messed up.

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Wed Aug 23, 2017 11:42 am

Surely our fans should be able to do whatever they like for the rest of the season, following the behaviour of the Hanover fans?