Ryanair

[evensteadiereddie]

"Anyone make any sense of this?"

Or, to put it into Ringo-babble

"Er. No. THE ****'s remoaner. LOST. It. Oleary. "

[Vegas Claret]

O'Leary is reaping what he sowed years ago. He's got loads of aircraft but can't recruit, train and retain pilots fast enough to crew them. It would appear the boys are just using Ryanair as a (very hot) stepping stone for anywhere that treats them better.

Not checked recently (but no reason to doubt it has changed) but Ryanair crew were some of the lowest paid in Europe. I wouldn't get out of bed for what their pilots get paid

[evensteadiereddie]

I bet they are on relatively decent money, though. Still, if conditions and prospects are poor and there are at least other jobs to go to, you can't really blame them.

[Vegas Claret]

I bet they are on relatively decent money, though.

Last time I checked (about 4 years ago, I have a friend who fly's for a major airline and he brought the conversation up) a captain was on around 70k Euros and a first officer was on just over 20k Euros. For the amount of money pilots invest in their own careers (most pay for their own training) 20K is shambolic and that is why they have a high turnover of staff, as Benny said, they are used as a stepping stone to get hours

[quoonbeatz]

about £120k the training isn't it?

progression is then linked to flying hours so can go up pretty quickly but judging by that easyjet programme thats been on recently* ryanair is some way below the average.

*i saw one episode so don't quote me on this information.

[IanMcL]

Yes hours are the key for pilots. I think he should hire that co pilot from Airplane! Much cheaper, providing there is a stewardess with a nice mouth!

[nil_desperandum]

In short. Being able to fly and land a plane and having cheap flights, is not dependent on being a member of the EU. As was claimed further up this thread.

It rather is, but I'll let you do your own research.
In basic terms however, it's much simpler to have "Open Skies" over Europe with one standard Pan-European set of regulations, health and safety, procedures etc. than it is for each company have to make separate treaties / arrangements with airports in 27 different countries.
This is why the USA have made a blanket agreement with the EU. The EU–US Open Skies Agreement is an open skies air transport agreement. The agreement allows any airline of the European Union and any airline of the United States to fly between any point in the European Union and any point in the United States.
It's just commonsense to simplify things like this, but obviously there has to be a common set of standards and rules, as you can't just have unsafe planes with unfit pilots flying without restriction, whenever and wherever they want.
When we leave the EU we will either have to make an agreement similar to the EU-US Agreement, or make separate arrangements with all 27 countries PLUS the USA.

[RingoMcCartney]

"Anyone make any sense of this?"

Or, to put it into Ringo-babble

"Er. No. THE ****'s remoaner. LOST. It. Oleary. "

Are you ok?

[RingoMcCartney]

It rather is, but I'll let you do your own research.
In basic terms however, it's much simpler to have "Open Skies" over Europe with one standard Pan-European set of regulations, health and safety, procedures etc. than it is for each company have to make separate treaties / arrangements with airports in 27 different countries.
This is why the USA have made a blanket agreement with the EU. The EU–US Open Skies Agreement is an open skies air transport agreement. The agreement allows any airline of the European Union and any airline of the United States to fly between any point in the European Union and any point in the United States.
It's just commonsense to simplify things like this, but obviously there has to be a common set of standards and rules, as you can't just have unsafe planes with unfit pilots flying without restriction, whenever and wherever they want.
When we leave the EU we will either have to make an agreement similar to the EU-US Agreement, or make separate arrangements with all 27 countries PLUS the USA.

In other words cos of brexit planes won't fly!

Here come the Remoaners sticking up for the hysterical nonsense that Oleary spewed recently.

You're as bad as Oleary.!

Pathetic!

Listen I'm running late. I've to get to the Turf. So I'll sign off with - planes landed and took off long before we joined the common market. They'll still be able to after brexit. Any Remoaner idiot who wants to believe Oleary go ahead and wallow in hysterical claptrap.

But on a day when the frothing at the mouth Remoaner was fined by the EU and hoisted by his own petard. All I want to finish off a great day is a clarets victory over dirty leeds.

Enjoy another Remoaner doom n gloom fest and talking Britain down all night long. It's what you lot are best at!

[RingoMcCartney]

Yes, I'm fine, Ringo. You find a pi££take of your usual Brexit **** -guff on here alarming ?
Good ! You know how we feel.

See above weirdo.

[evensteadiereddie]

You're a ****, end of story.

[HatfieldClaret]

I bet they are on relatively decent money, though. Still, if conditions and prospects are poor and there are at least other jobs to go to, you can't really blame them.

After they've paid the 120k for their initial training they then have to pay RyanAir 30-40k for further training (to make sure they don't just then clear off straight after). They pay for their own uniforms, flight meals, tea & coffee etc, get allocated to a destination where they have to find digs. Pay isn't great, but not too bad these days (forget how much) but it takes a number of years until the pilots are solvent again.

This clown was talking about charging for the loo a few years ago. He reminds me of someone who should be a candidate on The Apprentice. Make a quick buck out of crap and then run.

[RingoMcCartney]

You're a ****, end of story.

What a very mature retort!

[nil_desperandum]

In other words cos of brexit planes won't fly!

You're as bad as Oleary.!

Pathetic!

Listen I'm running late. I've to get to the Turf. So I'll sign off with - planes landed and took off long before we joined the common market. They'll still be able to after brexit. Any Remoaner idiot who wants to believe Oleary go ahead and wallow in hysterical claptrap.
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A total distortion of what I said, and of the reality.
And it appears that you're the only one getting wound up and hysterical.
It shouldn't be too much of a problem, but on the day we leave the EU we technically and legally won't be able to fly planes to the EU or the USA because we won't have any agreement with any of the 27 EU countries or the USA.
It should be pretty straightforward solving this issue, but nonetheless it is something that needs to be resolved before March 2019, or should we just ignore international laws and try flying planes towards New York?
Got it now?

[BennyD]

Not checked recently (but no reason to doubt it has changed) but Ryanair crew were some of the lowest paid in Europe. I wouldn't get out of bed for what their pilots get paid

However, until the last couple of years, most Ryanair pilots were employed through agencies, IIRC one of those was called Storm, and they were classed as self employed. Because of this they ended up paying about 15-20% tax and on top they get flying pay and allowances. I have a good mate who is a training Captain with them and he is on north of £135k. If you won't get out of bed for that, you must be on a packet.

[Vegas Claret]

However, until the last couple of years, most Ryanair pilots were employed through agencies, IIRC one of those was called Storm, and they were classed as self employed. Because of this they ended up paying about 15-20% tax and on top they get flying pay and allowances. I have a good mate who is a training Captain with them and he is on north of £135k. If you won't get out of bed for that, you must be on a packet.

What is a training Captain ?

[Claretitus]

Pilots? O Leary doesn't even think he needs em!! Remember a few years back when he wanted to train the Cabin Crew to do the take offs and landings? And get them to collect the money for using the loo? Guy is a complete tool. Flew with em once, never again.

[BennyD]

What is a training Captain ?

He is one of the company instructor pilots that takes the guys through simulator checks, line checks, ETOPS checks, base training etc. Depending on their qualifications they can either instruct or instruct and examine. However, they seem to spend most of their time in the simulator.

[Vegas Claret]

I figured it might be that but wanted clarification. Not surprised at all that he is on that kind of money - the pilots most definitely not. I'd google it but i'm watching the game atm

[RingoMcCartney]

A total distortion of what I said, and of the reality.
And it appears that you're the only one getting wound up and hysterical.
It shouldn't be too much of a problem, but on the day we leave the EU we technically and legally won't be able to fly planes to the EU or the USA because we won't have any agreement with any of the 27 EU countries or the USA.
It should be pretty straightforward solving this issue, but nonetheless it is something that needs to be resolved before March 2019, or should we just ignore international laws and try flying planes towards New York?
Got it now?

The key phrase in what you're saying is "It should be pretty straightforward solving this issue, but nonetheless it is something that needs to be resolved before March 2019"

Now pause. " Should be pretty straight forward".

I'd suggest it WILL be straight forward. Why? Because it's in nobody's interest for planes not to fly to and from Europe. And you know,and I know that planes will fly after Brexit. But more importantly Remoaner Oleary knows it.

So yes I do get it. But to listen to the radio yesterday. With each bulletin covering Remoaner Oleary desparately fire fighting cos of his pure incompetence, with his beloved EU about to leather him with fines, was comedy gold!

He's just a 3rd rate Remoaner Gerald Ratner!

[AndrewJB]

I've used them a few times, and as people say you sort of get what you pay for. Ways around their add-ons are; loading the children up with adult sized carry-on luggage, and bringing your own food. Travelling with small children, I've never paid extra for us all to sit together, however I've never found we've been seated apart anyway. Funny that.

[nil_desperandum]

The key phrase in what you're saying is "It should be pretty straightforward solving this issue, but nonetheless it is something that needs to be resolved before March 2019"

Now pause. " Should be pretty straight forward".

I'd suggest it WILL be straight forward. Why? Because it's in nobody's interest for planes not to fly to and from Europe. And you know,and I know that planes will fly after Brexit.
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I agree, but you have to put it in the context of TM making statements such as "No deal is better than a bad deal", and those who say "we should just walk away"
In those scenarios legally and technically our planes would not be allowed to fly in and out of the EU or the USA. Of course, it won't happen, there will have to be deals struck in all sorts of areas before we leave. It shouldn't be difficult, but it just shows how ludicrous is the idea that we shouldn't negotiate with the EU and make deals, and where necessary have a period of transition. (Shouldn't be needed so far as an Open Skies Agreement is concerned, but it still needs to be agreed and signed off.)
So as many of us have been saying: No deal is actually unworkable for us, and indeed the EU.

[piston broke]

He's just a 3rd rate Remoaner Gerald Ratner!

and you're just a third rate head up his arse brexiteer.
O'Leary didn't say it couldn't be solved he said it needed doing by Sept 2018 so they could organise their schedules for 2019.
As long as pr1cks like Davis and Boris are around it won't be sorted by Sept 2018. European airports can sell their landing rights to whoever they wish and flights could POSSIBLY be lost. They can also charge what they want for those landing rights and prices COULD rise.

[RingoMcCartney]

and you're just a third rate head up his arse brexiteer.
O'Leary didn't say it couldn't be solved he said it needed doing by Sept 2018 so they could organise their schedules for 2019.
As long as pr1cks like Davis and Boris are around it won't be sorted by Sept 2018. European airports can sell their landing rights to whoever they wish and flights could POSSIBLY be lost. They can also charge what they want for those landing rights and prices COULD rise.

Calm down man!

Planes win fly n land after brexit. You carry on listening to hysterical Remoaner Oleary.

I'll carry on laughing at him!

[quoonbeatz]

ringo still shakes his fist at planes flying overhead.

[IanMcL]

O'Leary is correct.

The Tories are taking us down the tubes.

[box_of_frogs]

He is one of the company instructor pilots that takes the guys through simulator checks, line checks, ETOPS checks, base training etc. Depending on their qualifications they can either instruct or instruct and examine. However, they seem to spend most of their time in the simulator.

Probably not he person to quote in a 'pilots paid peanuts thread'. I'm fairly confident the instructors will be getting a decent wedge.

[Walton]

Thomas Cook pilots due to strike on Saturday.

That must be down to tightfisted Remoaner O'Leary as well eh Ringo?

[thatdberight]

Thomas Cook pilots due to strike on Saturday.

That must be down to tightfisted Remoaner O'Leary as well eh Ringo?

Complete non sequitur from you but, Peter Fankhauser, Swiss CEO of TC's parent company is fond of a bit of Brexit hyperbole, now you mention it, saying recently, “Can you imagine needing again a visa to go to Germany? That would re-draw the map back to the medieval age"

It's unlike Fankhauser to be so blunt when he speaks. He was, you may remember, the CEO who couldn't find the word, "sorry", when his company was found to have breached its duty of care in the unlawful killing of two children.

Still, he's found his voice for the important stuff; such as those medieval travel documents, visas (first introduced c. WWI).

[dandeclaret]

Probably take between 40 and 50 flights a year with them. Equate it to getting on a bus really. Very rarely have I had a problem with them, and regularly remember that I pay less to fly from Dublin to the UK/Europe than it costs me to get from Dublin to Dublin airport in a taxi.

Planes are new and improving all the time, those staying they couldn't run a **** up in a brewery must have missed their figures. £1.3bn profit on a turnover of £6.7bn (https://investor.ryanair.com/wp-content ... esults.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;). 600,000 flights per year, on average 13% cheaper than the year before. It looks a pretty good business to me.

They've got this one wrong, but there's a couple of factors against them - pilots can now only work 900 hours a year, but were allowed 1,000 last year under Irish Air Authority regs - so there's 10% of flying hours gone, and they handled it poorly. Bankruptcy though? Can't see it.

If you want to see a shambles of a budget airline, see Easyjet. Huge delays, huge amounts of cancellations. Won't go near them, and recommend others to stay away. But Ryanair poor, and avoidable? Nah, not for me, just making international travel simple and affordable.

[BennyD]

O'Leary is correct.

The Tories are taking us down the tubes.

Bolloxs.

[RingoMcCartney]

Probably take between 40 and 50 flights a year with them. Equate it to getting on a bus really. Very rarely have I had a problem with them, and regularly remember that I pay less to fly from Dublin to the UK/Europe than it costs me to get from Dublin to Dublin airport in a taxi.

Planes are new and improving all the time, those staying they couldn't run a **** up in a brewery must have missed their figures. £1.3bn profit on a turnover of £6.7bn (https://investor.ryanair.com/wp-content ... esults.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;). 600,000 flights per year, on average 13% cheaper than the year before. It looks a pretty good business to me.

They've got this one wrong, but there's a couple of factors against them - pilots can now only work 900 hours a year, but were allowed 1,000 last year under Irish Air Authority regs - so there's 10% of flying hours gone, and they handled it poorly. Bankruptcy though? Can't see it.

If you want to see a shambles of a budget airline, see Easyjet. Huge delays, huge amounts of cancellations. Won't go near them, and recommend others to stay away. But Ryanair poor, and avoidable? Nah, not for me, just making international travel simple and affordable.

"international travel simple and affordable."

Unless you're one of their customers who's now scrabbling round to salvage what's left of their holiday.

Remoaner Oleary, couldn't organise a p*** up in a brewery. But he thought it was a good idea to charge people for taking a p*** on one of his planes! Clown.

They couldn't even organise the holidays of their pilots while simultaneously cocking up the holidays of thousands of customers. Oleary deserves the financial spanking he's going to get from his beloved EU, big time.

The poetic justice for the Ryanair Remoaner Ratner!

[bedfords]

Make a quick buck out of crap and then run.

Richard Branson?

[RingoMcCartney]

Alan Sugar?

[dandeclaret]

"international travel simple and affordable."

Unless you're one of their customers who's now scrabbling round to salvage what's left of their holiday.

Remoaner Oleary, couldn't organise a p*** up in a brewery. But he thought it was a good idea to charge people for taking a p*** on one of his planes! Clown.

They couldn't even organise the holidays of their pilots while simultaneously cocking up the holidays of thousands of customers. Oleary deserves the financial spanking he's going to get from his beloved EU, big time.

The poetic justice for the Ryanair Remoaner Ratner!

Around 0.5% of total passengers affected.

He wasn't ever going to charge for using the toilets, nor was he ever going to introduce standing on his aircraft, mainly because both are against flight regulations. But it did allow them to get free exposure on their low cost fares.

The crux of your issue appears to be his view on the EU, as you're not really providing much other than bluster about his business model.

[nil_desperandum]

"international travel simple and affordable."

Unless you're one of their customers who's now scrabbling round to salvage what's left of their holiday.
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It's obviously a problem for those affected, but I would imagine 350,000 customers felt the same when their flights were cancelled by BA earlier this year due to poor management and cost-cutting.
(It's impossible to calculate how much this problem will cost Ryanair, but current estimates are significantly less than the bill facing BA.)
I don't recall you being so upset when BA were cancelling thousands of flights.

[RingoMcCartney]

Around 0.5% of total passengers affected.

He wasn't ever going to charge for using the toilets, nor was he ever going to introduce standing on his aircraft, mainly because both are against flight regulations. But it did allow them to get free exposure on their low cost fares.

The crux of your issue appears to be his view on the EU, as you're not really providing much other than bluster about his business model.

You're spot on!

It is his view on the EU, and his constant bleating, that planes won't fly after Brexit! And cos of his inability to organise, what all the other airlines in the world have managed to do. Namely sort his pilots holidays out! He's gonna be spanked by his beloved EU!

"But it did allow them to get free exposure on their low cost fares."

Again, bob on!

But not half the amount of the, Ratneresque, bad publicity he and his shambolic organisation are receiving cos of his cocky incompetence!

Hoisted by his own petard!

[Chobulous]

This constant Brexiteer / Remoaner tit for tat on virtually every thread is getting really tedious now. Get over it FFS and stop behaving like infantile siblings that can't walk past each other without nipping and scratching.

[RingoMcCartney]

It's obviously a problem for those affected, but I would imagine 350,000 customers felt the same when their flights were cancelled by BA earlier this year due to poor management and cost-cutting.
(It's impossible to calculate how much this problem will cost Ryanair, but current estimates are significantly less than the bill facing BA.)
I don't recall you being so upset when BA were cancelling thousands of flights.

You won't recall me being upset about BA. Their boss hasn't constantly spewed garbage about planes not flying n landing after brexit. Straight forward really.

[RingoMcCartney]

This constant Brexiteer / Remoaner tit for tat on virtually every thread is getting really tedious now. Get over it FFS and stop behaving like infantile siblings that can't walk past each other without nipping and scratching.

I agree. The vast vast majority of the country have accepted the referendum result and just want to crack on. There's just a dwindling number of hard core Remoaners left, who seem to be in a permanent state of bad loser mode......

[Tall Paul]

What's worse, a bad loser or a bad winner?

[Chobulous]

I agree. The vast vast majority of the country have accepted the referendum result and just want to crack on. There's just a dwindling number of hard core Remoaners left, who seem to be in a permanent state of bad loser mode......

Pot kettle black springs to mind here

[UpTheBeehole]

You won't recall me being upset about BA. Their boss hasn't constantly spewed garbage about planes not flying n landing after brexit. Straight forward really.

That's because it doesn't affect them.

IAG

British Airways, owned by International Airlines Group, does not fly any intra-continental routes and so would not be hit if the EU prevented UK airlines flying within the confines of the bloc after March 2019.

Furthermore, IAG’s other airlines include Spanish-based Iberia and Vueling, as well as Ireland-based Aer Lingus, meaning the wider group already possesses permission to fly within Europe.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/201 ... -industry/

The I'm Alright Jack approach you're so familiar with.

[quoonbeatz]

i wonder if ringo has ever left the uk?

[Bordeauxclaret]

i wonder if ringo has ever left the uk?

Reckon he left Burnley once but didn't like it.

[UpTheBeehole]

Reckon he left Burnley once but didn't like it.

Yes, but he did end up in Bacup, so you can't blame him.

[RingoMcCartney]

What's worse, a bad loser or a bad winner?

When we beat palace it could be argued we were bad winner's.!

When we played West Brom we were good losers.

If only the gaggle of Remoaners could be a bit more like the latter!

[IanMcL]

When we beat palace it could be argued we were bad winner's.!

When we played West Brom we were good losers.

If only the gaggle of Remoaners could be a bit more like the latter!

Replace gaggle by majority now and you have the reason why the voice is increasingly loud.

[IanMcL]

My lady friend boarded a Ryanair flight from Girona to Bristol this morning. On time and all ok.

Co-pilot in place.

[RingoMcCartney]

Replace gaggle by majority now and you have the reason why the voice is increasingly loud.

The most recent poll showed around 70 odd % just want the government to get on with brexit! Good effort!!