Pens - Did any1 else

mohamed69 · Post by **mohamed69** » Tue Sep 19, 2017 11:11 pm

Reecey1987 wrote:End of the day pope has big boots to fill same as tarkowski they both need time . Football is a funny old game . Tarkowski has gone from hero to villian same as pope

only amongst the idiots who were claiming pope a hero after one game. for a keeper especially consistency is key. pope is mile away.

mohamed69 · Post by **mohamed69** » Tue Sep 19, 2017 11:12 pm

Siddo wrote:I think you write these silly posts just to get attention. Have you ever played football?

Yes. Have you ever been with a woman?

Reecey1987 · Post by **Reecey1987** » Tue Sep 19, 2017 11:13 pm

mohamed69 wrote:only amongst the idiots who were claiming pope a hero after one game. for a keeper especially consistency is key. pope is mile away.

I never said he was an hero but he his the best we have at this moment in time so we have to get behind him

superdimitri · Post by **superdimitri** » Tue Sep 19, 2017 11:13 pm

All Leeds penalties were good, ours were too apart from Tarkowski. Can't blame the goalkeeper for not saving any. We must be spoilt by Heaton or something.

The new format benefited Leeds too, with the chance to seal it before we had a player step up.

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Tue Sep 19, 2017 11:14 pm

Tarkowski hero to villian??? How?

He had yet another good game. He missed a penalty, Messi has missed penalties, Zidane did, Van Nistelrooy did, Henry did.

Reecey1987 · Post by **Reecey1987** » Tue Sep 19, 2017 11:15 pm

Dyched wrote:Tarkowski hero to villian??? How?

He had yet another good game. He missed a penalty, Messi has missed penalties, Zidane did, Van Nistelrooy did, Henry did.

Im on about the people witch hunting

mohamed69 · Post by **mohamed69** » Tue Sep 19, 2017 11:16 pm

Dyched wrote:Tarkowski hero to villian??? How?

He had yet another good game. He missed a penalty, Messi has missed penalties, Zidane did, Van Nistelrooy did, Henry did.

He wasn't great today. Also conceded the pen, and almost caught in possession a couple of times. He fancies himself a ball player but is just a liability at the moment.

Don't get me wrong. I rate him highly and defensively he is a rock. I think he will improve massively under Dyche's guidance (as did Keane).

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Tue Sep 19, 2017 11:16 pm

DAVETHEVICAR wrote:Tarkowski was captain and probably insisted he should take one of the five.

It's the management team who draw up the list and hand it to the officials. It has absolutely nothing to do with the captain.
Bringing Defour on with seconds to go and then not using him is rather embarrassing.

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Tue Sep 19, 2017 11:19 pm

mohamed69 wrote:He wasn't great today. Also conceded the pen, and almost caught in possession a couple of times. He fancies himself a ball player but is just a liability at the moment.

Don't get me wrong. I rate him highly and defensively he is a rock. I think he will improve massively under Dyche's guidance (as did Keane).

He wasn't great no, but he was good. Almost caught in possession? What the **** does that mean?

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Tue Sep 19, 2017 11:19 pm

Dyched wrote:Tarkowski hero to villian??? How?

He had yet another good game. He missed a penalty, Messi has missed penalties, Zidane did, Van Nistelrooy did, Henry did.

Don't think people are generally blaming Tarkowski, it's the management that got it all wrong. (Anyone can miss a penalty, but the odds of scoring improve if you take and score them regularly)

mohamed69 · Post by **mohamed69** » Tue Sep 19, 2017 11:21 pm

Dyched wrote:He wasn't great no, but he was good. Almost caught in possession? What the **** does that mean?

Seriously need me to spell it out? Means he was taking unnecessary risks with the ball at the back, which will cost us if he keeps up. Almost every game so far the opposition has been given a chance from this. It's just a matter of time. I'm sure Dyche is all over it though!

mohamed69 · Post by **mohamed69** » Tue Sep 19, 2017 11:21 pm

Surprised JBG wasn't ahead of Tarks in the pen order.

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Tue Sep 19, 2017 11:22 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:Don't think people are generally blaming Tarkowski, it's the management that got it all wrong. (Anyone can miss a penalty, but the odds of scoring improve if you take and score them regularly)

The Defour one is puzzling. Yet again if he was only regarded as being 5th best behind the 4 that stepped up then it's just bad luck.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Tue Sep 19, 2017 11:22 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:It's the management team who draw up the list and hand it to the officials. It has absolutely nothing to do with the captain.
Bringing Defour on with seconds to go and then not using him is rather embarrassing.

Defour or Tarks to take the final pen which usually has more pressure..

BFC88 · Post by **BFC88** » Tue Sep 19, 2017 11:22 pm

mohamed69 wrote:He wasn't great today. Also conceded the pen, and almost caught in possession a couple of times. He fancies himself a ball player but is just a liability at the moment.

Don't get me wrong. I rate him highly and defensively he is a rock. I think he will improve massively under Dyche's guidance (as did Keane).

So defensively he's a rock but also a liability? ...

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Tue Sep 19, 2017 11:24 pm

Dyched wrote:The Defour one is puzzling. Yet again if he was only regarded as being 5th best behind the 4 that stepped up then it's just bad luck.

Its not about being 5th best either.

Its about picking an order and some managers save the coolest head for the last penalty.

mohamed69 · Post by **mohamed69** » Tue Sep 19, 2017 11:25 pm

BFC88 wrote:So defensively he's a rock but also a liability? ...

Yes. Can your brain not deal with that? Too confusing?

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Tue Sep 19, 2017 11:25 pm

Sidney1st wrote:Defour or Tarks to take the final pen which usually has more pressure..

There's no pressure at all on the 5th taker when you're not even called upon, so the answer's easy.
Either way Tarkowski shouldn't have been in the first 7.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Tue Sep 19, 2017 11:27 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:There's no pressure at all on the 5th taker when you're not even called upon, so the answer's easy.
Either way Tarkowski shouldn't have been in the first 7.

If it had got to the 5th one though...

As for who takes them, depends who else put their hand up to take one, its voluntary in some cases.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Tue Sep 19, 2017 11:30 pm

mohamed69 wrote:Yes. Can your brain not deal with that? Too confusing?

Are you really struggling to see the contradiction between being a defensive rock and also a liability ?

You can't be both - it ain't that f'in complicated so stop trying to be a clever arse when it's you who has made a comment that doesn't make any sense

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Tue Sep 19, 2017 11:32 pm

Some full blown belmtardery on this thread

mohamed69 · Post by **mohamed69** » Tue Sep 19, 2017 11:33 pm

TVC15 wrote:Are you really struggling to see the contradiction between being a defensive rock and also a liability ?

You can't be both - it ain't that f'in complicated so stop trying to be a clever arse when it's you who has made a comment that doesn't make any sense

As a ball player / in possession he is a liability.

Purely defensively (blocking, heading, tackling) he is a rock.

Does that clear it up for your poor little brain?

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Tue Sep 19, 2017 11:33 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:Some full blown belmtardery on this thread

Isn't there just.

Notsosuperstevedavis · Post by **Notsosuperstevedavis** » Tue Sep 19, 2017 11:37 pm

Its a cup game!

There are no villians. Tarks obviously wanted to atone for giving the penalty away as Captain I imagine. And fair play to him for being made of the kind of stuff we love to see playing for our club.

SD has to let them self regulate to a degree. Its not children he is managing.

As for Pope. Another 120 mins will do him the world of good. I cant believe anyone wants to hang him out to dry for a penalty shoot out.

Thats just anger talking.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Tue Sep 19, 2017 11:41 pm

What a pri-ck you are

A rock means solid....as a defender you can't be both solid and a liability.....you really are thick as pig sh-it.

I don't agree with your assessment that he's a liability - but let's say he was and he did cost us goals through losing the ball nobody (except you) would be describing him as a defensive rock if he does a few great blocks and headers but gives away 2 goals in the same game

Loyalclaret · Post by **Loyalclaret** » Tue Sep 19, 2017 11:42 pm

Lad next to me asked who will take them- named Tarks. Not sure why but leader in the pitch maybe. Defour must have been next up or why bring him in the 28th minute

mohamed69 · Post by **mohamed69** » Tue Sep 19, 2017 11:42 pm

TVC15 wrote:What a pri-ck you are

A rock means solid....as a defender you can't be both solid and a liability.....you really are thick as pig sh-it.

I don't agree with your assessment that he's a liability - but let's say he was and he did cost us goals through losing the ball nobody (except you) would be describing him as a defensive rock if he does a few great blocks and headers but gives away 2 goals in the same game

Really? People do for Ben Mee all time time

If you're not able to grasp a simple concept then there's no point discussing.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Tue Sep 19, 2017 11:45 pm

mohamed69 wrote:Really? People do for Ben Mee all time time

If you're not able to grasp a simple concept then there's no point discussing.

Who is describing Mee as both a rock and a liability ?

It's like saying you are retard and a genius - when clearly you are just a retard

CBT · Post by **CBT** » Tue Sep 19, 2017 11:45 pm

mohamed69 wrote:He wasn't great today. Also conceded the pen, and almost caught in possession a couple of times. He fancies himself a ball player but is just a liability at the moment.

Don't get me wrong. I rate him highly and defensively he is a rock. I think he will improve massively under Dyche's guidance (as did Keane).

Doesn't 'almost caught in possession' equate to a good thing???
Does it not mean he kept possession???

mohamed69 · Post by **mohamed69** » Tue Sep 19, 2017 11:45 pm

TVC15 wrote:Who is describing Mee as both a rock and a liability ?

It's like saying you are retard and a genius - when clearly you are just a retard

You could be retarded at subject X and a genius at subject Y...are you getting it now?

mohamed69 · Post by **mohamed69** » Tue Sep 19, 2017 11:46 pm

CBT wrote:Doesn't 'almost caught in possession' equate to a good thing???
Does it not mean he kept possession???

Yes, but the risk/reward isn't there. Most games so far he has been caught and it's led to a chance. It's not worth it. You can bet that Dyche is trying to cut it out (as he did with Keane).

CBT · Post by **CBT** » Tue Sep 19, 2017 11:50 pm

mohamed69 wrote:Yes, but the risk/reward isn't there. Most games so far he has been caught and it's led to a chance. It's not worth it. You can bet that Dyche is trying to cut it out (as he did with Keane).

So row z for you

mohamed69 · Post by **mohamed69** » Tue Sep 19, 2017 11:54 pm

CBT wrote:So row z for you

Not all the time, but better safe than sorry! There was an interview with Keane about how Dyche had trained him to just hoof it up more often. In our framework that's what we need more often than not...and Tarks is good at it!

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Tue Sep 19, 2017 11:54 pm

mohamed69 wrote:You could be retarded at subject X and a genius at subject Y...are you getting it now?

Defence is the "subject" though - are you struggling with the English language ?

You can be good at blocking and heading and poor at decision making and distribution - but in this case you would not be described as a defensive rock.

You are just trying to justify your own stupid comment by making up your own definition of "rock" as being good at blocking etc....that's not what it means.

Now f-uck off you tedious pr-ick

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Tue Sep 19, 2017 11:57 pm

Jesus lads, we lost to leeds in the most Mickley mouse competition we are entered in, some of you are banging on like we lost a play off final. Go get a drink and calm the **** down.

mohamed69 · Post by **mohamed69** » Tue Sep 19, 2017 11:57 pm

TVC15 wrote:Defence is the "subject" though - are you struggling with the English language ?

You can be good at blocking and heading and poor at decision making and distribution - but in this case you would not be described as a defensive rock.

You are just trying to justify your own stupid comment by making up your own definition of "rock" as being good at blocking etc....that's not what it means.

Now f-uck off you tedious pr-ick

I'm the tedious one? You are being incredibly pedantic (dictionary.com if you need help).

1. As a ball player, he is a liability.

2. His purely defensive qualities (blocking, clearing, heading, tackling) he is a rock.

3. Overall, as a defender, because of his purely defensive qualities (see #2) he is solid but mixed, due to his tendency to hold onto the ball (see #1).

Happy? I hope you've learned something.

CBT · Post by **CBT** » Wed Sep 20, 2017 12:04 am

mohamed69 wrote:I'm the tedious one? You are being incredibly pedantic (dictionary.com if you need help).

1. As a ball player, he is a liability.

2. His purely defensive qualities (blocking, clearing, heading, tackling) he is a rock.

3. Overall, as a defender, because of his purely defensive qualities (see #2) he is solid but mixed, due to his tendency to hold onto the ball (see #1).

Happy? I hope you've learned something.

When he cameod in midfield last season his ball playing qualities stood out though
Confused.com

mohamed69 · Post by **mohamed69** » Wed Sep 20, 2017 12:05 am

CBT wrote:When he cameod in midfield last season his ball playing qualities stood out though
Confused.com

As a midfielder you can afford to take more risk. The midfielders stand in front of the defenders, see. I know it's a lot to take in, but keep at it.

CBT · Post by **CBT** » Wed Sep 20, 2017 12:10 am

mohamed69 wrote:I'm the tedious one? You are being incredibly pedantic (dictionary.com if you need help).

1. As a ball player, he is a liability.

2. His purely defensive qualities (blocking, clearing, heading, tackling) he is a rock.

3. Overall, as a defender, because of his purely defensive qualities (see #2) he is solid but mixed, due to his tendency to hold onto the ball (see #1).

Happy? I hope you've learned something.

Your point number 1 - as a ball player,he is a liability

JohnMac · Post by **JohnMac** » Wed Sep 20, 2017 12:47 am

As soon as he crossed the half way line

THEWELLERNUT70 · Post by **THEWELLERNUT70** » Wed Sep 20, 2017 6:44 am

What annoys me is that with the current trend for dinking penalties down the middle why goalies feel the need to go early instead of just standing tall and if need be virtually not moving. Out of the 11 penalties last night taken,more than 1 would have been saved

ashtonlongsider · Post by **ashtonlongsider** » Wed Sep 20, 2017 7:13 am

Think the answer here is we should have never got to the penalties. When it gets to that stage it's a lottery and Tarks had the guts to take one. Fair play to him.

IndigoLake · Post by **IndigoLake** » Wed Sep 20, 2017 8:06 am

Brady won't play on Saturday. Dyche will be furious he equalised and took the game to extra time. Tarkowski is now the teacher's pet.

While the above comments are tongue in cheek, I don't believe Dyche will be disappointed. We put a decent team out but our cup record under him is abysmal. Mind you, his performance in the league is satisfactory so I wouldn't sack him yet.

Fair play to Leeds. It was their cup final.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Wed Sep 20, 2017 8:07 am

mohamed69 wrote:I'm the tedious one? You are being incredibly pedantic (dictionary.com if you need help).

1. As a ball player, he is a liability.

2. His purely defensive qualities (blocking, clearing, heading, tackling) he is a rock.

3. Overall, as a defender, because of his purely defensive qualities (see #2) he is solid but mixed, due to his tendency to hold onto the ball (see #1).

Happy? I hope you've learned something.

"Solid but mixed" - ha ha....you are hilarious.

When I say hilarious I mean you are hilarious but not funny !

Isn't it strange that not one person agrees with you or has a clue what you are saying. Eh but thanks for the lesson on the English language. I'm sure it won't be long before we hear pundits on TV describing defenders as solid as a rock but also a liability.

Maybe we can extend your wisdom to describing midfielders as "combative but weak" or attakers as "clinical but poor finishers" ?

D-ick

AlargeClaret · Post by **AlargeClaret** » Wed Sep 20, 2017 8:43 am

I no idea the board had so many psychics ? all the people that "knew"" Tarks was gonna miss eh?

It was pens,a local pub side could beat Barcs thats the way pens go. Pope was close to a couple but Leeds took em well tbf,lets not forget Tarks gave the ball a right smack keeper guessed right.

Siddo · Post by **Siddo** » Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:11 am

mohamed69 wrote:I'm the tedious one? You are being incredibly pedantic (dictionary.com if you need help).

1. As a ball player, he is a liability.

2. His purely defensive qualities (blocking, clearing, heading, tackling) he is a rock.

3. Overall, as a defender, because of his purely defensive qualities (see #2) he is solid but mixed, due to his tendency to hold onto the ball (see #1).

Happy? I hope you've learned something.

Having read all your responses may I wish you good luck when you go to big school.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:26 am

Tarkowski's missed all three penalties he's taken professionally.

Why he's taking penalties in the first place is a mystery. In his head he clearly thinks he's a combination of Zidane, Pele and Maradona, when in fact he's a good Championship central defender cutting his teeth in the Premier League. He gets himself in dangerous situations when in possession of the ball, dangerous not just for him but for the whole team.

Concentrate on defending and you'll do alright Tarky. Just cut all the stuff you can't do out, including taking penalties.

BFC88 · Post by **BFC88** » Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:58 am

mohamed69 wrote:Yes. Can your brain not deal with that? Too confusing?

I think your a clown

McClaret · Post by **McClaret** » Wed Sep 20, 2017 12:29 pm

Football can be so humbling. Tarks has had the best few weeks of his career, probably full of confidence and chooses to take one like Southgate. I'm a believer in the best players take the first penalties and Defour would have been taking that one for me. You have to make sure you score, if they score all of theirs then it comes down to who has the better ones down the line. Pointless not having your best takers taking one.

Foshiznik · Post by **Foshiznik** » Wed Sep 20, 2017 12:40 pm

Alot of people sticking the boot in on here.

Go back to supporting United or City if you want it to be easier.