ARTICLE: Cotterill follows Coyle back in work

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Sat Sep 30, 2017 10:22 pm

Jamesy wrote:In Birminghams current predicament, Steve Cotterill is the ideal man to keep them in the Championship, and I am sure he will succeed in doing this.
As for those who are rubbishing his time at Burnley, you need to give your heads a wobble. He was the right man at the right time for us and ensured a period of stability at Burnley FC. I wish him all the best in his new job at Birmingham City.

Birmingham have just spent about £15m- £20m on players and are about 5 points off mid table. Let's not pretend they are paupers cut adrift who need a saviour.

maidenover · Post by **maidenover** » Sat Sep 30, 2017 10:47 pm

dandeclaret wrote:The crucifier is back..... Cotterball is alive and well on the midlands.

As a matter of interest dandeclaret, do you think our current football is any better to watch?

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Sat Sep 30, 2017 11:01 pm

maidenover wrote:As a matter of interest dandeclaret, do you think our current football is any better to watch?

I don't want to speak for anyone else but ******* hell yes.
By a million miles.

dandeclaret · Post by **dandeclaret** » Sun Oct 01, 2017 12:05 pm

Can see both sides now. As a supporter who now only watches the odd game on TV, I can appreciate the results and the progress of the club as phenomenal. I'm not sure that I'd appreciate the football if I was watching it every week.

That said, Dyche went unbeaten in 23 in the championship, Cotterill went almost the same length of time without winning. Plus Dyche often plays 2 up front, a genuine 2 up front as well. Under Cotterill away, it was often tough to see who the 1 up front was.

Top Claret · Post by **Top Claret** » Mon Oct 02, 2017 4:25 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:You going for Richard Head of the week award ?

Why is this then?

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Mon Oct 02, 2017 4:35 pm

Top Claret wrote:Why is this then?

"He comes over as being arrogant and nobody likes an arrogant person. He always appears to lose the dressing room at every club he manages."

Utter tosh Top Claret. When he was with Burnley he did absolutely loads with the community (and I mean loads). You might not have known that so fair enough, but you are just seem to be making stuff up for no reason as far as I can see.

Top Claret · Post by **Top Claret** » Mon Oct 02, 2017 5:10 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:"He comes over as being arrogant and nobody likes an arrogant person. He always appears to lose the dressing room at every club he manages."

Utter tosh Top Claret. When he was with Burnley he did absolutely loads with the community (and I mean loads). You might not have known that so fair enough, but you are just seem to be making stuff up for no reason as far as I can see.

I can assure you I have never made anything up about Cotterell. I have been in his company on numerous occasions. I was also at a question and answer session one night and he tried to belittle a member of the audience who just asked him a straight question.
Not a nice person who will always struggle in gaining the respect and keeping the dressing room in this age of football

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Mon Oct 02, 2017 5:19 pm

Top Claret wrote:I can assure you I have never made anything up about Cotterell. I have been in his company on numerous occasions. I was also at a question and answer session one night and he tried to belittle a member of the audience who just asked him a straight question.
Not a nice person who will always struggle in gaining the respect and keeping the dressing room in this age of football

Fair enough, we differ in opinion based on what we know. No Biggy

ontario claret · Post by **ontario claret** » Mon Oct 02, 2017 8:25 pm

I never had a problem with Cotterill. Good manager, not great. That is to say, he's not Sean Dyche.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Mon Oct 02, 2017 8:44 pm

I can see no reason why we shouldn't wish him success in his new job.

RocketLawnChair · Post by **RocketLawnChair** » Mon Oct 02, 2017 8:55 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote: I still can't believe looking back that at Preston after the 19th game without a win there was no talk of him getting sacked from the fans.

We were all sound asleep !!

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Sat Nov 04, 2017 6:08 pm

Fans fighting each other in the stands. Chants of “not fit to wear the shirt”
One point and no goals in Cotterill’s last 4 games.

Short lived appointment?

jedi_master · Post by **jedi_master** » Sat Nov 04, 2017 6:11 pm

Bordeauxclaret wrote:Fans fighting each other in the stands. Chants of “not fit to wear the shirt”
One point and no goals in Cotterill’s last 4 games.

Short lived appointment?

If you look at Birminghams squad they have some seriously decent Championship players too.

Not sure why Redknapp and now Cotterill are struggling as badly as they are.

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Sun Nov 05, 2017 9:31 am

You have to give him some credit for how quickly he has settled in and got them playing his dire brand of non football

I notice he'd benched Juke since coming in so you can tell how desperate things are getting for a goal when the answer is starting the non scoring striker

Conroy92 · Post by **Conroy92** » Sun Nov 05, 2017 10:42 am

When I was younger I used to go to mates in Brockhall, he was a Burnley fan too. Cotterill lived a couple of doors down and we once saw him on the street, I was only about 14. We were quite excited and chanted Steve Cotterills claret and blue army at him and asked him a few questions. I'm not sure now exactly how the conversation went but we both came away thinking he was fairly arrogant and really quite blunt, he didn't really have the time of day for us. I still thought he was a good manager for us though.

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Sun Nov 05, 2017 10:45 am

Conroy92 wrote:When I was younger I used to go to mates in Brockhall, he was a Burnley fan too. Cotterill lived a couple of doors down and we once saw him on the street, I was only about 14. We were quite excited and chanted Steve Cotterills claret and blue army at him and asked him a few questions. I'm not sure now exactly how the conversation went but we both came away thinking he was fairly arrogant and really quite blunt, he didn't really have the time of day for us. I still thought he was a good manager for us though.

19 games without a win and he was a good manager , showing how good he is at Birmingham now , not sure how these people keep on getting jobs .

Herts Clarets · Post by **Herts Clarets** » Sun Nov 05, 2017 11:17 am

joey13 wrote:19 games without a win and he was a good manager , showing how good he is at Birmingham now , not sure how these people keep on getting jobs .

Because even when faced with cold hard facts, some people will still maintain he is/was a good manager. As said, it's not taken the Brum fans long to start protesting.

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Sun Nov 05, 2017 11:30 am

He is quickly achieving cult hero status down the Villa

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Sun Nov 05, 2017 1:49 pm

Gloomy face on. Bad sign.

Top Claret · Post by **Top Claret** » Sun Nov 05, 2017 2:20 pm

He will be lucky to last the season.

Walton · Post by **Walton** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 12:18 pm

ClaretTony wrote:I knew some would be gloating but better to have done some checking first - he starts on Monday

They've scored 3 goals in 8 games since Cotterill started work, and are still in the relegation zone.

Cotterball in full effect!

Hipper · Post by **Hipper** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 1:40 pm

I thought that sign behind his left ear said 'bog warmer'!

Hendrickxz · Post by **Hendrickxz** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 1:49 pm

Conroy92 wrote:When I was younger I used to go to mates in Brockhall, he was a Burnley fan too. Cotterill lived a couple of doors down and we once saw him on the street, I was only about 14. We were quite excited and chanted Steve Cotterills claret and blue army at him and asked him a few questions. I'm not sure now exactly how the conversation went but we both came away thinking he was fairly arrogant and really quite blunt, he didn't really have the time of day for us. I still thought he was a good manager for us though.

No surprise that you got that impression. He was "hot & cold" at best. I know from an insider he could be all sweetness and light one week, then blunt to the point of ignorance a week later.

Top Claret · Post by **Top Claret** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 2:58 pm

Won't last the season. He is a awful appointment for the blues. Cotterells management career must be at an end, in the very near future. Cotterell is a liability who has had little success where ever he has managed, his role in football should be taking the kids.

It would not have taken him long to lose the dressing room, nobody likes an arrogant git.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 3:01 pm

Hendrickxz wrote:No surprise that you got that impression. He was "hot & cold" at best. I know from an insider he could be all sweetness and light one week, then blunt to the point of ignorance a week later.

I suspect he's got a personality disorder.

MIND define Narcissistic Personality Disorder as:

Narcissistic personality disorder
You may:

believe that there are special reasons that make you different, better or more deserving than others
have fragile self-esteem, so that you rely on others to recognise your worth and your needs
feel upset if others ignore you and don’t give you what you feel you deserve
resent other people’s successes
put your own needs above other people’s, and demand they do too
be seen as selfish and ‘above yourself’
take advantage of other people.

Sounds like SC to me!

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 3:08 pm

It’s not a matter about gloating, it’s the fact people still defend someone who went 19 games without a win , he’s proving once again he’s a poor manager , I bet Brum don’t give him 19 games , he’ll still be defended on here though.

Culmclaret · Post by **Culmclaret** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 3:27 pm

When he took the reins at Turf Moor we were in a right old mess. It is unfair to castigate him for not performing a miracle. He did OK. There was one very bad spell and a number of promising interludes. The football was generally dire but you cannot deny that he laid the foundations of the squad that got us promoted under Coyle. Can’t say I liked him but he kept us in the Championship when the club had no money to speak of.

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 3:44 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:

Narcissistic personality disorder
You may:

believe that there are special reasons that make you different, better or more deserving than others
have fragile self-esteem, so that you rely on others to recognise your worth and your needs
feel upset if others ignore you and don’t give you what you feel you deserve
resent other people’s successes
put your own needs above other people’s, and demand they do too
be seen as selfish and ‘above yourself’
take advantage of other people.

And, of course, tend to completely bypass the midfield.
(If a football manager.)

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 5:43 pm

I liked him. Did a good job for us relatively speaking.

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 5:48 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:I liked him. Did a good job for us relatively speaking.

So you class going 19 games without a win as doing a good job ?

Dublin7Claret · Post by **Dublin7Claret** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 5:50 pm

joey13 wrote:So you class going 19 games without a win as doing a good job ?

You do realise he managed us for more than 19 games?

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 5:57 pm

joey13 wrote:So you class going 19 games without a win as doing a good job ?

No but I consider building a squad from scratch during our poorest (financial) situation (vs the competition) sufficient enough to stop up comfortably before being the basis of our first promotion to the premier league an excellent job.

At least 8 of the promotion squad were cotterill signings (thats more players than he inherited from a side that was definitely on the slide). He brought back Blake. Master stroke signings of Alexander and Ade (first time at least), Carlisle, Caldwell and Duff.

Developed McCann and Jay giving them both their chance (along with Lafferty)

So on balance he did a good job.

Socrates · Post by **Socrates** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 6:13 pm

He was incredible arrogant and a bit mental.

I used to do a fans panel in the LET and one week he demanded my number after I wrote something.

Darren Bentley worked for the LET at the time and asked if it was ok to pass it on. I confirmed it was ok and I then had Cotterill calling me having a pop.

He was ranting how he was going to be England manager and I told him he might need to deliver a thicker skin if he got this upset about something that a fat whaller like me wrote in a local paper.

He called me 3 or 4 other times over innocuous things. Oddball.

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 6:14 pm

Dublin7Claret wrote:You do realise he managed us for more than 19 games?

Unfortunately yes , didn’t he have another run of 11 games without a win also .

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 6:16 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:No but I consider building a squad from scratch during our poorest (financial) situation (vs the competition) sufficient enough to stop up comfortably before being the basis of our first promotion to the premier league an excellent job.

At least 8 of the promotion squad were cotterill signings (thats more players than he inherited from a side that was definitely on the slide). He brought back Blake. Master stroke signings of Alexander and Ade (first time at least), Carlisle, Caldwell and Duff.

Developed McCann and Jay giving them both their chance

So on balance he did a good job.

It was Coyle who achieved promotion

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 6:20 pm

joey13 wrote:It was Coyle who achieved promotion

I know.

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 6:24 pm

We were nowhere near the bottom of the table financially if you looked at accounts from around that time.

He did an average job giving a bit of stability but we managed to sign a fair few players such as Hyde or Thomas by paying higher wages than other clubs could afford.

NL Claret · Post by **NL Claret** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 8:35 pm

Birmingham are shocking.

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 8:39 pm

NL Claret wrote:Birmingham are shocking.

Nothing to do with Cotterill though , don’t forget he’s a good manager.

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 9:06 pm

BYMOTPL

claptrappers_union · Post by **claptrappers_union** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 9:16 pm

I’m with cricketfieldclarets on this one, he did a good job for us. Everything is relative.

Although we reminisce about the Stan era, the final couple years were dreadful. Cotterill was an important stepping stone between where we were and where we are now.

Coyle was the man who got the best out the squad but it was Cotterill who built it.

Cotterill is a good crisis manager, I think.

Walton · Post by **Walton** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 9:46 pm

Another game without a goal for Cotterill's Birmingham

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 9:47 pm

1-0 defeat without a shot on target.

NL Claret · Post by **NL Claret** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 10:00 pm

Turned off at half time, game was as good as over. Birmingham didn't even come close to looking like scoring.

Grimsby Claret · Post by **Grimsby Claret** » Tue Dec 05, 2017 7:48 am

Wish you Well Steve, your Burnley team won us promotion in 2009 (not Coyles)

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:14 am

The fact that Coyle got Cotterill's team promoted with little more than a bit of encouragement shows how bad a manager Cotterill is.

Cotterill had those players turning in 0-0s and 0-1s, with little in the way of excitement, finishing lower half of the table.

Coyle got that team promoted to the Premier League, and he had those players beating Arsenal, Spurs, Man Utd, Everton, knocking out Chelsea......

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Sat Dec 09, 2017 9:32 pm

Yet another defeat, this time at Fulham.

Oh, Stevie!

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Sat Dec 09, 2017 10:26 pm

They had one shot on target today so an improvement from Tuesday.

dandeclaret · Post by **dandeclaret** » Sat Dec 09, 2017 10:33 pm

Grimsby Claret wrote:Wish you Well Steve, your Burnley team won us promotion in 2009 (not Coyles)

Ha ha ha..... Cotterill's team took us on a 19 game unbeaten run and then weren't we on 15 games when he got potted? Coyle somehow got that team to score goals, win points and get promoted. How bad must the crucifier be?

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Sat Dec 09, 2017 11:03 pm

It’ll be Redknapp/Zola that gets Birmingham relegated no doubt.