Hendrick

[CnBtruntru]

I honestly thought he was Andre Gray tonight with the number of times he was caught offside, but he did what he had too when the time came and scored, so his slight off night, is forgiven.

[MT03ALG]

Hendrick was guaranteed to score the winner tonight. The guys behind me were pleading with the Manager to take him off after 20 minutes......did I have something to say to those morons when Hendrick scored the winner......they even thought it was a lucky goal which Hendrick almost missed !!

[Bullabill]

"He's a good player, him" .................... Gary Neville.

Good judge is Gary.

[thelifeofbrian]

Hendrick = Marmite

I like marmite

[evensteadiereddie]

Hendrick was guaranteed to score the winner tonight. The guys behind me were pleading with the Manager to take him off after 20 minutes......did I have something to say to those morons when Hendrick scored the winner......they even thought it was a lucky goal which Hendrick almost missed !!

That made me laugh.
Even more idiotically, some knobhead behind me near the front of the CFS was yelling for "Kendricks to get off the fookin' field" just before he, Hendrick, scored ...............some Claret, eh ?

[CnBtruntru]

I like marmite

Exactly, some guys do, some guys don't

[Selby Claret]

I honestly thought he was Andre Gray tonight with the number of times he was caught offside, but he did what he had too when the time came and scored, so his slight off night, is forgiven.

PL 2017-18:

Hendrick 2
Gray 1

[KlyBfc]

My observation of last night was: Jeff scored the winner, got in behind and nearly scored another, pressed the opposition high up helping us win the ball back in good areas, played an important part in nullifying Shelvey who is an important to the Newcastle side.

I agree he drifted out of the game at times second half and the above is exactly the minimum we should accept from someone in his position (hence why he got a 6 from me in the ratings) I do feel the descriptions by some of how poor he was aren't quite taking into account the contributions he made. Of course this is only my opinion.

[claretspice]

My observation of last night was: Jeff scored the winner, got in behind and nearly scored another, pressed the opposition high up helping us win the ball back in good areas, played an important part in nullifying Shelvey who is an important to the Newcastle side.

I agree he drifted out of the game at times second half and the above is exactly the minimum we should accept from someone in his position (hence why he got a 6 from me in the ratings) I do feel the descriptions by some of how poor he was aren't quite taking into account the contributions he made. Of course this is only my opinion.

Very fair indeed. He scored the goal, but immediately before it he almost played Barnes in with what would have been a sublime through ball (it was scrambled clear and it was that clearance which Cork took advantage of to start the move we scored from). After thr goal he teed Barnes up for a really good shot with a sublime lay off. In the first half he produced a couple of great passes and he got in behind in both halves.

It wasn't a great performance and he's certainly not settled into that role yet. Until the goal i thought he looked a bit short on confidence. But actually, looking back, he did OK. I think a lot of the comments are really quite harsh.

[Lancasterclaret]

Think a lot of them are based on the two offsides he was flagged for which he really shouldn't have been.

[piston broke]

Hit and miss.
Played almost as a front man for a lot of the game and his closing down across the line was excellent, the best we've had since Danny Ings, but the number of dumb offsides was frustrating. The goal was a plus and he is definitely worth his spot.

Currently Brady isn't. Totally out of form and he cannot continue to be played purely for his deadballs, particularly when most of them are dreadful.

[CnBtruntru]

PL 2017-18:

Hendrick 2
Gray 1

Are we talking offsides?

[Hipper]

Hendrick's role involves Cork and Defour. He goes back when they go forward. Therefore he roved around the pitch as Cork and Defour did, doing things we don't notice much.

The offsides were partly sloppy, partly good defending by Newcastle.

When he got his early shot in it was with his left foot. The goal was with his right - I think he's mostly right footed but has the confidence to have a go with his left.

He wasn't perfect but I enjoyed his performance against Newcastle.

He's making good progress and I would expect more from him, including more goals.

[Lancasterclaret]

One thing is for sure that we are constantly evolving as a team, and it will be interesting to see if we evolve from here, or is this as good as it can get for this group?

There certainly is a lot more to come from some of them, and if they can all push on together then we could have a really good season

[ablueclaret]

The converse view is that we are only one or two injuries away from big problems.
Any of Pope Defour or Mee would set alarm bells ringing.
We are nowhere near a complete side yet, wonderfully strong in defence but just above Championship level in attack.
It's when the defence starts to get breached that the concerns will emerge as yet they still look magnificent.

[Rumbletonk]

I think we really need a specialist in that position and leave Hendrick to scrap it out with Defour and Cork for the 2 deeper cm positions

[Blackrod]

I think we really need someone else in that role which can hopefully be addressed in the transfer window. He took his goal well but I still think Arfield would have offered more.

[claretspice]

Think a lot of them are based on the two offsides he was flagged for which he really shouldn't have been.

I suspect this is right, but it reflects really badly. Firstly, because 2 offsides isn't very many, and secondly because (whilst they were both frustrating and obvious from the side line) this is exactly the sort of mistake you'd expect a player to make when he's adjusting to a position he's not used to. Ask a footballer to think during a game rather than rely on his instincts, and he'll quite often get it wrong. More patience is required.

What we ideally need is more pace in wide positions, someone who can make this out-to-in runs to get alongside the lone striker and create more scope for both Hendrick and Defour rotate around in midfield. No coincidence that the goal last night came after a spell when Defour popped up wide left, and Hendrick was to be found much deeper, prompting the play.

[Hipper]

For one of the offsides he was far too slow to move out - that was his fault.

For the other Yedlin moved out just before the ball was played - that was good defending.

Pace on the wings is something we are lacking and one of the areas I'm sure Sean wants to address.

As Lancaster says, we are evolving slowly. It can be seen in small details which all add up to improved performances and these have lead to better results. If you have the patience it is fascinating to see.

Ablue. We are very much a complete side/team. That was there for all to see on Monday night. That's not to say things are perfect and I don't think anyone is saying they are, least of all the management.

Enjoy our progression.

[Top Claret]

Bar the goal Hendrick was awful. He should have been pulled for Arfield who would have offered more.
OK he scored but did sod all else

[Rileybobs]

The offsides weren't the frustrating thing for me. It was his lack of showing for the ball, he looked like he was hiding at times. All the more frustrating as he's clearly a very talented player.

[Quickenthetempo]

Hendrick needs to step up now Marney is nearing fitness and the January transfer window around the corner. If we get a right footed pacy winger that most fans want we could try JBG in the CAM role and Marney there for away games as he is the best presser.

[Iloveyoubrady]

Hendrick needs to step up now Marney is nearing fitness and the January transfer window around the corner. If we get a right footed pacy winger that most fans want we could try JBG in the CAM role and Marney there for away games as he is the best presser.

Agree with you about a right footed pacy winger allowing Gudmundsson to play CAM but Marney playing there, you must be joking

[Quickenthetempo]

Agree with you about a right footed pacy winger allowing Gudmundsson to play CAM but Marney playing there, you must be joking

For away games or games we don't think we will get much out of the attacking player. City away for example would of been perfect for putting pressure on the CBs who just pass all the time in vulnerable areas. He's great at pressing and dragging the team forward.

[boyyanno]

Hendrick needs to step up now Marney is nearing fitness and the January transfer window around the corner. If we get a right footed pacy winger that most fans want we could try JBG in the CAM role and Marney there for away games as he is the best presser.

As much as I love Marney I'd be distraught if he played in that role. He may offer good work ethic and a good press but they are the two areas Hendrick is lacking in least. What we need in that position is someone with the quality to take a man on and contribute with goals and assists, it's technical quality and intelligence we lack, not heart.

[Diesel]

After watching the game again on tv, I honestly don't see what the big deal is, he did his bit but I suppose we need a whipping boy, hey?

Tossers.

[KefkaClaret]

Don't think Marney can play in Hendrick's role and he most certainly won't be displacing Cork or Defour when he is fit.

[Indecisive]

can't wait until all our poor players start playing well

This.

We are 7th in the league with Hendrick and Brady playing key roles within our 'framework'.

Honestly the expectation levels of some fans are bordering on ludicrous. We laugh at other sets of fans for delusions of grandeur (Leicester fans calling for Ancelotti etc). However, we seem to have an abundance of numpties as well.

I genuinely just don't want to say anything critical or negative about our team or manager at the moment. I can't believe how far we've come under Dyche. It's incredible.

[KRBFC]

After watching the game again on tv, I honestly don't see what the big deal is, he did his bit but I suppose we need a whipping boy, hey?

Tossers.

Hendrick is one of my favourite current Burnley players and I said he had a poor game. Hardly a whipping boy you sensitive tosser.

[ClaretMoffitt]

That made me laugh.
Even more idiotically, some knobhead behind me near the front of the CFS was yelling for "Kendricks to get off the fookin' field" just before he, Hendrick, scored ...............some Claret, eh ?

Might have been me that.

Did he follow up right after the goal by shouting "who the **** was the dick who wanted herdrick off?"

[boyyanno]

After watching the game again on tv, I honestly don't see what the big deal is, he did his bit but I suppose we need a whipping boy, hey?

Tossers.

Nothing wrong with the opinions on this thread, most people have been very fair in their comments, no one had really treated him as a "whipping boy". Shame because I thought you were a decent poster, but you've revealed yourself as a helmet after all.

[claretspice]

He may not yet be a whipping boy but he's hardly getting generous appreciation of what he's offering currently, or patience whilst he adapts to a new role, either.

There too much negativity about the role Hendrick and one or two others are playing given we are 7th in the league, with 16 points from 10 games despite some tough fixtures. The team is not the finished article, and some players are sacrificing themselves a bit as a result. They deserve a bit more patience.

[KlyBfc]

Hendrick should definitely not be anywhere near a whipping boy. He is a big part of our away success in that he brings a physical and disciplined presence to our side that a more diminutive attacking midfielder most likely wouldn’t. At home I agree it would be nice to have an alternative and speacialist in the role to turn to but we can’t do anything about that until January and even then Hendrick may still be the rightful preferred choice (for our framework). He’s technically good alongside his physical attributes.

Personally think for now Arfield brings many of the attributes required as the alternative but I would genuinely start Jeff over him.

Brady is the one that frustrates me most (but as others have said we are 7th so it’s only a slight frustration), especially at home. But he too plays a huge part in the ‘framework’ and I thought Monday was his best home performance in this sense as Ritchie was very very quiet.

[Flatline]

Nothing wrong with the opinions on this thread, most people have been very fair in their comments, no one had really treated him as a "whipping boy". Shame because I thought you were a decent poster, but you've revealed yourself as a helmet after all.

Helmets and tossers on the same thread,who would of thought?

[Quickenthetempo]

He may not yet be a whipping boy but he's hardly getting generous appreciation of what he's offering currently, or patience whilst he adapts to a new role, either.

There too much negativity about the role Hendrick and one or two others are playing given we are 7th in the league, with 16 points from 10 games despite some tough fixtures. The team is not the finished article, and some players are sacrificing themselves a bit as a result. They deserve a bit more patience.

We are fans on a message board discussing how we can get better and where we can improve. It's what we do.

[claretspice]

We are fans on a message board discussing how we can get better and where we can improve. It's what we do.

Absolutely it is. But I don't see a lot of balance to some of the commentary on this thread. If you're going to single out a player for his performance, at least acknowledge the good stuff he did - the fact he was integral to virtually every incisive move we produced all night on Monday, for example - the quality he offers, and so on.

Dean Marney has been a wonderful servant, and he has been used by Dyche in that advanced midfield role once before - 5 years ago,when he arrived, when we were a rank mediocre Championship team. We're a different beast now, and players like Hendrick are integral to the vastly higher station we now enjoy.