SD is he afraid to move on?

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 3:39 pm

"I just keep getting on with my job until things change. It's out of my hands, I'm just getting on with what I do."

source Sky tv, ...hardly a quote for settling the nerves of Burnley fans is it?

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 3:40 pm

He had a chance to say, "No, not interested, my job is here at Turf Moor and I intend to see this through "

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 3:41 pm

Leisure wrote:Because it only becomes a relevant question if he's offered the job!

PS - How do you know that he's not answering the hypothetical question honestly?

Because he flat out refuses to really answer the question, looks for a way around it or answers in a way that ''doesn't rule him out'' every time. Anyway Pete, are you hungry today? I have an unlimited supply of bait which you seemingly cant get enough of.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 3:43 pm

Wile E Coyote wrote:"I just keep getting on with my job until things change. It's out of my hands, I'm just getting on with what I do."

source Sky tv, ...hardly a quote for settling the nerves of Burnley fans is it?

Exactly my point yet im jumped on by numerous posters, question ducking and actually sounds like a ''come and get me''.

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 3:43 pm

Wile E Coyote wrote:He had a chance to say, "No, not interested, my job is here at Turf Moor and I intend to see this through "

But then that would be a lie. There's no need for him to start ruling himself in or out.
If Everton want him, Burnley allow him to talk, then he will talk.
If not, it's just another day, where a managers job is available, and a dozen names are thrown around.

I remember the Reading-Fulham manager mess up. I forgot who it Was, but I can't imagine he's worked much since.

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 3:47 pm

Wile E Coyote wrote:He had a chance to say, "No, not interested, my job is here at Turf Moor and I intend to see this through "

But he choose not to say that and that's his perogative. Has he ever indicated that he will never leave Burnley? No, he always been open in saying that he won't be with us for ever.

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 3:49 pm

Wile E Coyote wrote:"I just keep getting on with my job until things change. It's out of my hands, I'm just getting on with what I do."

source Sky tv, ...hardly a quote for settling the nerves of Burnley fans is it?

But hardly means he's jumping ship either!

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 3:50 pm

KRBFC wrote:Exactly my point yet im jumped on by numerous posters, question ducking and actually sounds like a ''come and get me''.

Well no one has posted what the question was, so how do you know he ducked it?

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 3:52 pm

i would have thought its easy enough to show some respect to the paying and loyal fans at Burnley to offer a quick comment by way of reassurance.

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 3:54 pm

Wile E Coyote wrote:i would have thought its easy enough to show some respect to the paying and loyal fans at Burnley to offer a quick comment by way of reassurance.

Reassurance over what? He’s going to leave one day! He’s not going to rule himself out of a job at a bigger club and a bigger wage before it’s even been offered. Why would he?

taio · Post by **taio** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 3:59 pm

Wile E Coyote wrote:He had a chance to say, "No, not interested, my job is here at Turf Moor and I intend to see this through "

But it would be absurd saying that because he doesn't know what offers he might get. I suppose he's keeping his options open and any sensible person would do the same. There's no way a young ambitious manager would rule out managing a big club without even talking to them. The above is just not realistic.

Ashingtonclaret46 · Post by **Ashingtonclaret46** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 4:03 pm

Wile E Coyote wrote:i would have thought its easy enough to show some respect to the paying and loyal fans at Burnley to offer a quick comment by way of reassurance.

He doesn't owe anything to any Burnley fan. He is employed by the club and earns his money by doing the job he is paid for which is managing a squad of footballers and getting them to do their best. He is not employed to show respect to the fans, he does this by ensuring that his players give 100% when they are on the field.

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 4:03 pm

KRBFC wrote:He's very good at avoiding questions, when asked if he's interested in a job, he wont answer it honestly.

Right oh, so making the above statement that the manager is not answering honestly ( thereby implying that he's answering dishonestly) is just bait! You're a very strange chap!

Lord Beamish · Post by **Lord Beamish** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 4:06 pm

Only the weak desire constant reassurance.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 4:08 pm

Leisure wrote:Right oh, so making the above statement that the manager is not answering honestly ( thereby implying that he's answering dishonestly) is just bait! You're a very strange chap!

Its a shame you weren't saying all this to me when we had a conversation on your coach to Watford in the promotion season, you definitely weren't Mr positive on the way down.

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 4:20 pm

Ashingtonclaret46 wrote:He doesn't owe anything to any Burnley fan. He is employed by the club and earns his money by doing the job he is paid for which is managing a squad of footballers and getting them to do their best. He is not employed to show respect to the fans, he does this by ensuring that his players give 100% when they are on the field.

Jesus !! easy enough saying that now, different sodding tale when coyle just did what he thought was best professionally, you lot must be easily pleased and not expect much, no wonder fans are fobbed off with attitudes like those .

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 4:23 pm

Wile E Coyote wrote:"I just keep getting on with my job until things change. It's out of my hands, I'm just getting on with what I do."

source Sky tv, ...hardly a quote for settling the nerves of Burnley fans is it?

If only he'd said something like:

"Everton will be a fantastic job for someone but my focus is on Burnley. I've had speculation time and time again but I love being at this wonderful football club: I just feel very privileged to be manager here. I enjoy my work, enjoy coming through the door every morning. I think the players enjoy working for me and the fans like coming. I'm building something here."

That would surely reassure and settle the nerves of all Burnley fans, wouldn't it?

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 4:26 pm

KRBFC wrote:Its a shame you weren't saying all this to me when we had a conversation on your coach to Watford in the promotion season, you definitely weren't Mr positive on the way down.

'Saying all this to me'? Please explain what you're referring to? And what has positivity got to do with this?

Ashingtonclaret46 · Post by **Ashingtonclaret46** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 4:35 pm

Wile E Coyote wrote:Jesus !! easy enough saying that now, different sodding tale when coyle just did what he thought was best professionally, you lot must be easily pleased and not expect much, no wonder fans are fobbed off with attitudes like those .

LOL --I support a football club --not a manager. Why? --because I have seen 28 changes of manager and goodness knows how many changes in the Boardroom and yet we are still in existence and, at the moment, we are thriving.
Easily pleased doesn't even come into the equation --Expect nothing and you will never be disappointed. Never worry about anything over which you have no influence -- it all makes life really easy and trouble free. You should try it.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 4:39 pm

According to this, he's ruled out moving on. To Everton or Leicester, anyway.

Nonayforever · Post by **Nonayforever** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 4:51 pm

I can't believe I'm writing this - but I am actually agreeing with one of KRBFC's two million odd posts.

I do think Dyche ducks the questions put to him re management jobs.

The problem for SD is he undoubtedly wants a better job, but how does he secure that upward move ?

If he puts himself out of contention mid season he will be assessed on the full season which might not be as rosy as today's position. If he says yes I'm interested in job A or job B he will walk away with nothing and probably have to accept reduced negotiation terms.
By virtue of the fact that he wants to progress his career puts him in a cleft stick.

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 4:58 pm

[quote="Nonayforever"]I can't believe I'm writing this - but I am actually agreeing with one of KRBFC's two million odd posts.Quote)

Steady on!

PaintYorkClaretnBlue · Post by **PaintYorkClaretnBlue** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 5:04 pm

Wile E Coyote wrote:i would have thought its easy enough to show some respect to the paying and loyal fans at Burnley to offer a quick comment by way of reassurance.

If he said that now the fans would expect that every time a club sacked their manager. If he didn’t say anything about the next one it would be deemed that he was interested. He has nothing to gain by making a statement, nothing at all.

Saxoman · Post by **Saxoman** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 5:07 pm

Nonayforever wrote:I can't believe I'm writing this - but I am actually agreeing with one of KRBFC's two million odd posts.

I do think Dyche ducks the questions put to him re management jobs.

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Cheeky git, I made a thread on this subject yesterday! Taking credit for my topics!

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 5:52 pm

Ashingtonclaret46 wrote:LOL --I support a football club --not a manager. Why? --because I have seen 28 changes of manager and goodness knows how many changes in the Boardroom and yet we are still in existence and, at the moment, we are thriving.
Easily pleased doesn't even come into the equation --Expect nothing and you will never be disappointed. Never worry about anything over which you have no influence -- it all makes life really easy and trouble free. You should try it.

whatever the outcome, that is a crass comment. It sounds as if you'll settle for anything .
Being a supporter also requires some thought about why you pay to watch them. The shambolic fall from grace in the 70's almost ended with the club going out of the league. The utter dross served up was horrendous. You may well say you support the club not the manager, but thousands turn away from supporting when the football is mediocre and low division rubbish. Nothing wrong in my view with being concerned now the club is doing well .

willsclarets · Post by **willsclarets** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 5:54 pm

The levels of pure conjecture on this thread are incredible.

Ashingtonclaret46 · Post by **Ashingtonclaret46** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 6:07 pm

".....Nothing wrong in my view with being concerned now the club is doing well ."

Wile E Coyote --this is why I am not worried about it --I leave all the worries and concerns to other people because I have no influence on what happens at the club. It's a great life when the only thing which mildly concerns you is whether or not you waken up in the morning and, if you don't, it won't be your worry anyway.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 6:10 pm

I don't think SD can take this club any further, he's reached that glass ceiling, just maintaining the status quo fine achievement though that might be is not what he needs to progress.
Yes he might never get the same level of success or security ever again but if he doesn't pit his abilities at a higher level with better players and the need for a more flexible approach he will always remain a good but limited manager.
He can do better than that.

Saxoman · Post by **Saxoman** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 6:16 pm

Wile E Coyote wrote:whatever the outcome, that is a crass comment. It sounds as if you'll settle for anything .
Being a supporter also requires some thought about why you pay to watch them. The shambolic fall from grace in the 70's almost ended with the club going out of the league. The utter dross served up was horrendous. You may well say you support the club not the manager, but thousands turn away from supporting when the football is mediocre and low division rubbish. Nothing wrong in my view with being concerned now the club is doing well .

Agree, and so do a large amount of Rovers fans clearly.

bartons baggage · Post by **bartons baggage** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 6:21 pm

ablueclaret wrote:If SD wants to become a top manager this is the time to move on, the opportunity might never come again, or will his innate conservatism mean he sticks to what he knows.
If he's never prepared to take a gamble and find out if he can manage a top side then he'll for ever remain a good manager not a great one.
As with Keane his time has come to test himself.

Excellent cast

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 6:22 pm

ablueclaret wrote:I don't think SD can take this club any further, he's reached that glass ceiling,

Go on then, I'll humour you. Why do you think this? Explain.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 6:23 pm

Ive often compared Dyche and Woan to Clough and Taylor.

People are saying that Dyche will want to go to a bigger and better club and pit his abilities with better players.

Clough never did. He stopped at Forest and did it there. Winning European trophies, with what was an unfashionable club.

I may be proven wrong. But, why not Dyche?.......

gandhisflipflop · Post by **gandhisflipflop** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 6:25 pm

That's my thoughts too RM.

Ashingtonclaret46 · Post by **Ashingtonclaret46** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 6:26 pm

Wile E Coyote wrote:whatever the outcome, that is a crass comment. It sounds as if you'll settle for anything .
Being a supporter also requires some thought about why you pay to watch them. The shambolic fall from grace in the 70's almost ended with the club going out of the league. The utter dross served up was horrendous. You may well say you support the club not the manager, but thousands turn away from supporting when the football is mediocre and low division rubbish. Nothing wrong in my view with being concerned now the club is doing well .

"Agree, and so do a large amount of Rovers fans clearly."

You pay your money and take your choice, however, if enough turn away then, ultimately, you end up without a club.
Wile E Coyote --nobody disputes the quality of the past at times, however, I still supported and travelled miles to do it --you just can't understand, but never mind you will be OK as long as the sun shines.

willsclarets · Post by **willsclarets** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 6:28 pm

Because the game is more or less a different sport to when Clough was a manager.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 6:28 pm

Bigger and better club?

Considering 2/3's of the PL pretty much just make up the numbers and do not much else of note he's clearly waiting for the Arsenal job.

willsclarets · Post by **willsclarets** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 6:30 pm

More conjecture! Why is he clearly waiting for the arsenal job? There's no evidence whatsoever to support that claim.

Saxoman · Post by **Saxoman** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 6:31 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:Ive often compared Dyche and Woan to Clough and Taylor.

People are saying that Dyche will want to go to a bigger and better club and pit his abilities with better players.

Clough never did. He stopped at Forest and did it there. Winning European trophies, with what was an unfashionable club.

I may be proven wrong. But, why not Dyche?.......

The games moved on beyond recognition. Dyche cannot win the premier league and champions league with Burnley.

And by the way, forest broke the British transfer record signing Trevor Francis, so they weren't that small were they?

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 6:31 pm

Do you need me to add a smiley so you can spot the sarcasm?

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 6:45 pm

willsclarets wrote:Because the game is more or less a different sport to when Clough was a manager.

Agreed.

But the challenge of taking latter day versions of Tony Woodcock, John Robertson, Gary Birtles and Martin Oneil from realitive obscurity, Arfield, Cork and Brady, Tarkowski and Wood werent exactly household names, and making them just as formidable a unit a the "Big Clubs". Is PERHAPS more appealing to Dyche, than the less satisfying way of buying a trophy and simply becoming Cheque Book Champions. Like Dalgleish at Blackburn?

That remains a consideration whether its Clough in 1979 or Dyche in 2017

jrgbfc · Post by **jrgbfc** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 6:57 pm

Sidney1st wrote:Bigger and better club?

Considering 2/3's of the PL pretty much just make up the numbers and do not much else of note he's clearly waiting for the Arsenal job.

Not a cat in hell's chance of Arsenal appointing Dyche.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 7:00 pm

jrgbfc wrote:Not a cat in hell's chance of Arsenal appointing Dyche.

It was a joke...

willsclarets · Post by **willsclarets** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 7:04 pm

My apologies Sidney, any sort of subtlety on here gets wasted in the madness.

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 7:14 pm

Is Dyche's statement a manager's version of a club's chairman and board fully back the manager statement.

Pstotto · Post by **Pstotto** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 7:25 pm

I can't imagine how you think the sporting challenge for him is over at Burnley and he is now seeking greater things. Wagner will tell you that this victory against Man U is all the more sweeter for having done that himself with Town, rather than a victory over them via Dortmund.

I could have scored a winning goal fro Real Madrid in a CL final and so could anybody, if Ronaldo lays it on a plate for you, to tap in at the far post.

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 7:33 pm

Leisure wrote:Go on then, I'll humour you. Why do you think this? Explain.

ABC - Still waiting.

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 7:41 pm

Without reading through the entire thread what a stupid thread title. Of course he's not 'afraid'. When and if something better comes along he will go for it but it might need to tick a lot of boxes to be better than what he already has.

bobinho · Post by **bobinho** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 7:42 pm

I saw the title, and I thought "which complete and utter f*ckstain would start a thread like that?"

Then I made a little bet with myself.

Should've put my house on it. It was gonna be one of the "four" and lo, it turns out it was my first choice!!!

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 7:45 pm

Leisure wrote:ABC - Still waiting.

I hope you have more luck than I have, Leisure.

More likely than not it’s just more words aiming to grab some attention.

bartons baggage · Post by **bartons baggage** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 7:51 pm

Text book ABC, start a controversial thread.
Wait for the ravenous simpletons to bite.
Use the service of your favourite stooge (KRBFC)
Watch has he takes the obligatory kicking from the now wound up posters.
Rinse and repeat.