Everton move for Dyche

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 9:11 am

Rick_Muller wrote:Of course SSN are going to report this, whether it’s true or not. They “own” the Premier League and are protecting their product by trying to destabilise unpopular Burnley who have now stepped out of line by looking like they will become established.

I was just going to say exactly the same thing. Sky 'own' the PL and they don't like Burnley as we don't fit the 'profile' of big club, big support, big ground. We 'devalue' the PL in a way in their view and it is in their interest to get rid of Dyche in the hope that we will then flounder. Even the way they were talking last night later on after the game they were making it sound as though Dyche 'doesn't have a choice' if Everton moved in for him. I don't believe he's going there but if Sky Sports Misinformation have their way he will.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 9:13 am

I no longer wonder why some Burnley fans just can't enjoy the game.

Stop worrying about conspiracy theories that make "we never landed on the moon" look sane.

RalphCoatesComb · Post by **RalphCoatesComb** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 9:17 am

Lots of money for Sean to move to Everton on Betfair this morning.

Someone believes the "hype"

RalphCoatesComb · Post by **RalphCoatesComb** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 9:18 am

Big Fat Sam has taken over from David Unsworth as second favourite. Now THERE"S a match made on Merseyside

jojomk1 · Post by **jojomk1** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 9:22 am

RalphCoatesComb wrote:Big Fat Sam has taken over from David Unsworth as second favourite. Now THERE"S a match made on Merseyside

Put Joey Barton in a room with BFS to discuss weight loss being the road to success

mohamed69 · Post by **mohamed69** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 9:34 am

Rick_Muller wrote:What the “Fairy take” story of the large city club with massive foreign owners you mean? As opposed to small town club who have no commercial influence outside of 25sqm in east lancs...?

Yawn. You really are pathetic. Would love to hear your views on 9/11 and the moon landing...

CnBtruntru · Post by **CnBtruntru** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 9:34 am

If Everton want to just stay in the Premier League this season then SD is not for them, if they want to build over the next 2-3 seasons then he is the correct choice, whether they move for him at all is another question, myself I would have thought they would be looking for someone with European experience, we will just have to wait and see.

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 9:42 am

mohamed69 wrote:Yawn. You really are pathetic. Would love to hear your views on 9/11 and the moon landing...

happy to share my views on 9/11 and the moon landings, but not on this thread. I see you have resorted to insults which indicates that you have lost the argument already. In this modern world where the media are as influential as they are (dare I mention Russians and Trump...?) what I am alluding to is not that fetched at all. Remember the old saying from the song "money makes the world go round..." - Sky are an organisation who's purpose is to make money, if that means they can use one of their products to influence another they will - why is my inference of this "pathetic" is my question to you?

HiroshimaClaret · Post by **HiroshimaClaret** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 9:43 am

Kenwright would go for him but the new owners I doubt will, so Burnley should be safe. Dyche won`t get a bigger club than Everton though so IF he was offered the job, regardless of their perilous position, he would have to seriously consider it. I`v had qualms about Dyche at times regards style of play but would rather not lose him.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 9:46 am

Talk about an incorrect thread title.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 9:47 am

Not a good fit.

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 9:49 am

ablueclaret wrote:Not a good fit.

it takes a while, but every now and then you post something I agree with abc

onmeheadson · Post by **onmeheadson** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 9:58 am

jojomk1 wrote:So Boden won't be on the Xmas card list of SD's agent now

You still have this fascination with Chrismas card lists jojomk1 ?

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 10:00 am

You can make good arguments for both staying and going, at the end of the day SD will decide whats best for him. Is it just Sky talk, definitely a possibility, that's what they do. The argument that they are not in a rush and might leave it until the international break suggests that it is just headline making. If that piece was true why would SD be interested in going to a team that dithered over signing him in the first place.

There is no quick fix at Everton, that is a team of old men (going down hill fast) and young talent (that is not getting the support they deserve). He would need at least 3 new signings in defence, but what are the odds of Evertons new owners giving him that time. SD is an honest man, with us and himself, he is still learning about the game at this level. There is no better club than US to be at to get the time needed to grow into the premier league. In another couple of years, IF we are still progressing, then he will probably have the CV to take on Everton with the knowledge that the job isn't too big for him, and the confidence that he can make it work.

We've had a fantastic start to the season. We still have the January window coming to bolster the team even further, and survival, which is looking good at the moment (one game at a time) would lead to a massive windfall in terms of money, and the power to buy big in the summer. I hope that SD sees the potential of this club he's helped evolve over the last 5 years, and is excited about finishing off the great job he's started.

Whatever the outcome he's earned the right to make his own decision.

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 10:05 am

houseboy wrote:I was just going to say exactly the same thing. Sky 'own' the PL and they don't like Burnley as we don't fit the 'profile' of big club, big support, big ground. We 'devalue' the PL in a way in their view and it is in their interest to get rid of Dyche in the hope that we will then flounder. Even the way they were talking last night later on after the game they were making it sound as though Dyche 'doesn't have a choice' if Everton moved in for him. I don't believe he's going there but if Sky Sports Misinformation have their way he will.

Foookin Hell

Cubanclaret · Post by **Cubanclaret** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 10:06 am

Sky Sports have already counterpointed their own article of earlier this morning.

They are determined to exert their influence, that's for sure.

ww.skysports.com/football/news/11095/11106622/everton-interested-in-burnley-manager-sean-dyche

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 10:12 am

He'll go when Liverpool want him.
Everton have always been the fancy team, the team that delighted the eye but weren't always that successful, Liverpool are that much more pragmatic, and Dyche if he is anything is pragmatic.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 10:13 am

Everton would act behind the scenes, if they wanted him not via Sky.

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 10:15 am

I put these links on another thread. The fans do not want him, they will be on his back straight away, why would you want to go there if you are happy and stable where you are.
https://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/thre ... che.99882/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
https://www.grandoldteam.com/2017/10/31 ... ean-dyche/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

vinrogue · Post by **vinrogue** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 10:22 am

In the paper I have read this morning the article on the Everton new manager search is all about BFS and Ancelotti. In summary BFS being available now and interested in the job with Acelotti available and interested at the end of the season. Final small paragraph says also listed in the betting are Sean Dyche, Chris Coleman and Thomas Tuchel. Truly amazing how things like this are portrayed in the various media departments.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 10:25 am

Chris Boden saying there are legs in the Big Sam to Everton story.

You'd think he'd be a better choice than SD simply because he's done it at more than one club.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 10:30 am

Big Sam was on the radio the other day stating he was enjoying time away from the game.
Of course he'd come back for the right job, but I'm not sure he's in that much of a rush.

claretrobo1 · Post by **claretrobo1** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 10:30 am

Dyche can manage a top 6 club in the future but I feel he needs to adapt to a more attacking style of play in order for him to attract interest from those clubs. Can he do that at Burnley? Yes. A solid defence with a capable midfield (especially Cork and Defour). Quick wingers who can put a quality ball in to a clinical striker (Wood). Also, last night showed are full backs are willing to go forward.

Dyche has compiled a team over 5 years which he can proudly call his own. Does he have the ingredients to play 'top 6' style football at Burnley? I think so hence why I don't think there is a need to move to Everton.....yet.

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 10:38 am

I can see BFS going in to rescue Everton this season which would afford Everton and us to arrange an agreement for Dyche to "transfer" to them in the close season.

I just dont think leaving half way through a season fits with the Dyche ethos, in fact it goes against everything he practices at Burnley and would only serve to identify him as a fraud if he did leave mid season, in my opinion of course, and that is why I dont think he will leave yet because he is completely genuine and has integrity and is no fraud at all.

Bertiebeehead · Post by **Bertiebeehead** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 10:39 am

Dyche will go to Arsenal at the end of the season. Already a done deal.
Possibly.

Espia · Post by **Espia** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 10:54 am

To be fair, in this modern era of the game this is as probably as good as it will ever get with Burnley. 7th in the table. He's reached the pinnacle here.

All that's left now is consolidation at this level, a little tweak here and there , but nothing changing in the mainstream of things , and this is probably the best we can hope for ..... a situation that will please most fans.

Even if he were to take the Everton job and it all went tits up I think his stock would still be high because of what he has done here, so nothing for him to lose really. You have to be quite a serial loser in order for your stock to fall quite far. Look at David Moyes ... Man U, Spain, Sunderland .... and even then after that catalog of failure he's still touted with getting other jobs .... such as Burnley should it be vacant .... god forbid.

Having said all that I desperately want him to remain. I think he's suited to our general stock of our native Anglo-speaking employees and employers of our club. It's a great fit.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 11:04 am

Rick_Muller wrote:I can see BFS going in to rescue Everton this season which would afford Everton and us to arrange an agreement for Dyche to "transfer" to them in the close season.

I just dont think leaving half way through a season fits with the Dyche ethos, in fact it goes against everything he practices at Burnley and would only serve to identify him as a fraud if he did leave mid season, in my opinion of course, and that is why I dont think he will leave yet because he is completely genuine and has integrity and is no fraud at all.

Bit daft to call him a fraud if he lives mid season when the vast majority of managerial moves take place during the season.

If he stays as we all hope it will be for other reasons.

It's not Dyche's fault that this is the way of the world for managers

Mansfield-Claret · Post by **Mansfield-Claret** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 11:21 am

dyche to everton (hopefully not) and fat sam to us

i can see why its a perfect steeping stone for dyche, i wouldnt slag him for going, as it's progress for him, and to be fair hes going to a much bigger club, and its not a side ways step like coyle did,

i can see fat sam coming in if dyche goes

taio · Post by **taio** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 11:35 am

Very much doubt Allardyce would come here.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 11:37 am

Yeah, it would be bad enough SD going to Everton without having to listen to Allardyce talk about our club as the f**king manager of it.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 11:46 am

BFS will not come to Burnley.

He likes the reputation of saving teams from relegation and building in a multi million pound bonus for doing so into his contract.

If Dyche does go I'm sure our board will appoint for the long term not for the next 6 months.

If we appoint anyone like BFS and Moyes I would be surprised and very disappointed - these guys are on £2m or £3m a year minimum and manage like dinosaurs.

Pstotto · Post by **Pstotto** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 11:49 am

All Burnley fans overwhelm any official Everton website that you can. Anyone know where Kenwright lives?

Il Duce · Post by **Il Duce** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 11:54 am

Imagine being Dyche and walking into Everton as their new manager - at the Turf he is number one. Players know their role, there are no massive egos but a togetherness and understanding that Dyche has carefully fostered over 5 fruitful years at the club. It would be a difficult task for Dyche to join Everton if they were performing well and at the right end of the table. Joining them now is an accident waiting to happen.

I have no qualms in Dyche wanting to excel himself, he deserves that chance as much as anyone but the risks involved in joining Everton (right now) make the whole idea hugely questionable.

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 11:54 am

TVC15 wrote:Bit daft to call him a fraud if he lives mid season when the vast majority of managerial moves take place during the season.

If he stays as we all hope it will be for other reasons.

It's not Dyche's fault that this is the way of the world for managers

An existing Premier league manager as only moved to another Premier league club during the season once and we all know who that was don’t we.

Pstotto · Post by **Pstotto** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 12:03 pm

How far could he take a club like Everton anyway? 7th in the PL?

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 12:03 pm

It isn't going to happen, one minute we're sat in our seats having won again with Sean Dyche and everything in the Burnley garden is rosy.
Next he's buggered off during this momentous season and when we dig out our ticket cards for the swansea match, sam allardyce or some similarly unwanted buffoon is in charge ?
Thousands of Clarets fans sitting there bewildered and scratching their heads . Can you really see him agreeing to consign us to the dustbin having just celebrated his 5th anniversary ?

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 12:04 pm

Dyche won't go to Everton in my opinion,who will be the next Premier League team to sack their manager and we have to go through this boring Dyche to wherever scenario all over again,it's getting quite tiresome.

BennyD · Post by **BennyD** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 12:16 pm

IMO, going to Everton would be a big mistake for SD. Moyes groomed to be the next Man U manager, fell on his ar5e and has done nothing since; Martinez came in and got sacked, Koemans came in and got sacked and now Unsworth on his second caretaker spell. All this since SD became Burnley manager, so why would he stick his head in a meat grinder like that? If he continues to improve Burnley and make them into a stable top half team, without doubt the offers will come in. All this 'an offer like the Everton job might not happen again' is complete bolloxs as SD is destined for a very top job and he has no need to risk it at a club like Everton who are facing a season long relegation battle.

skibum84 · Post by **skibum84** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 12:18 pm

joey13 wrote:An existing Premier league manager as only moved to another Premier league club during the season once and we all know who that was don’t we.

Pardew went from Newcastle to Crystal Palace.

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 12:19 pm

If I was Dyche I would hang fire till the FA dump Southgate,and then he could walk into the top job in English football on the back of having a very succssesful time with tiny little Burnley.

jlup1980 · Post by **jlup1980** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 12:19 pm

Is there anyone who doesn't have an opinion on what Sean should do? This is getting tedious!

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/ ... on-lescott

LeadBelly · Post by **LeadBelly** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 12:28 pm

I'm having fun reading the Everton fansite "grandoldteam" linked in Post69.
One that made me laugh (but probably shouldn't) is (in response for those wanting a foreign big name):

"It's incredible the tune has managed to get out of a team of yard dogs.
If he was called Sebastian Dychio and looked like Peter Andre in his mysterious girl years, you'd all be gagging for a bit of him."

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 12:30 pm

LeadBelly wrote:I'm having fun reading the Everton fansite "grandoldteam" linked in Post69.
One that made me laugh (but probably shouldn't) is (in response for those wanting a foreign big name):

"It's incredible the tune has managed to get out of a team of yard dogs.
If he was called Sebastian Dychio and looked like Peter Andre in his mysterious girl years, you'd all be gagging for a bit of him."

Looked like Peter Andre

RalphCoatesComb · Post by **RalphCoatesComb** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 12:34 pm

BennyD wrote:IMO, going to Everton would be a big mistake for SD. Moyes groomed to be the next Man U manager, fell on his ar5e and has done nothing since; Martinez came in and got sacked, Koemans came in and got sacked and now Unsworth on his second caretaker spell. All this since SD became Burnley manager, so why would he stick his head in a meat grinder like that? If he continues to improve Burnley and make them into a stable top half team, without doubt the offers will come in. All this 'an offer like the Everton job might not happen again' is complete bolloxs as SD is destined for a very top job and he has no need to risk it at a club like Everton who are facing a season long relegation battle.

I'm with you but, he is bound to be ambitious and Everton, in the long-term, are a bigger Club than little old Burnley. As was said last night on one of the Sports Radio channels, SD is not going to get a Chelsea, Arsenal, United or City. Realistically, Everton could be the bigger English Club that he could aspire to at present.

7th in the Premier League is impressive but, is that as good as it gets? The only way is DOWN. For Everton, the only way is UP

Personally, I don't want him to go and don't believe that he should go but, I will shake his hand and say "Thanks Sean. You'll always be a Clarets Legend"

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 12:37 pm

jlup1980 wrote:Is there anyone who doesn't have an opinion on what Sean should do? This is getting tedious!

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/ ... on-lescott

Did his phone give that interview from his pocket?

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 12:41 pm

Not for me Ralph, if he stays and dismisses any approach then he will go even further up in my estimation, if he goes now, then its on a par with coyle, and will leave a bad taste. What's the difference?
November and being 7th to massive uncertainty and likely downward spiral.

bfccrazy · Post by **bfccrazy** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 12:46 pm

I'm guessing Sky (and other betting companies) have made a lump today with this story breaking early morning before anybody can say "that's bull hooks".

The punters seem to be lapping it up too.

RalphCoatesComb · Post by **RalphCoatesComb** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 12:54 pm

Wile E Coyote wrote:Not for me Ralph, if he stays and dismisses any approach then he will go even further up in my estimation, if he goes now, then its on a par with coyle, and will leave a bad taste. What's the difference?

Shirley you are joking! On a par with that Judas Bar=steward?! The differences are too many to list.

Don't call me Shirley!!!

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 12:56 pm

Dyched wrote:Foookin Hell

Don't know what you mean by that mate but if you think it is far fetched (and of course it may well be) think on this; years ago before the PL came into existence, at the time when it was in the planning stage, the idea was originally put forward that the new league would be a closed shop, with only clubs of a certain size (crowd, ground etc.) to be allowed in, with no relegation or promotion as such. Of course Sky were not involved at that point (don't think they even existed as such) but the FA wanted it that way (or at least some of the decision makers did). Of course it never came to be, thankfully, but you can see the thinking behind the whole PL idea. Now Sky do not sponsor the PL to the amount they do out of the goodness of their hearts, they do it for financial gain. Advertising revenue is one source but so is the sale of games internationally. It doesn't take a genius to see that, for example, Burnley v Watford is not the same draw globally as a game involving the big clubs, particularly the big 6.
When viewed from this perspective it is not beyond the realms of possibility that Sky and/or the FA don't want teams like Burnley in the PL. It's not just Burnley of course, add Bournemouth, Huddersfield, Brighton and even Stoke to the list. When you think of football and Sky do not see it as some kind of sporting love affair, it isn't, it is a business relationship only, nothing more and anything that doesn't bring in the money as they would like is not really wanted by them. Whatever you think of the 'conspiracy theory' type thinking behind this just remember that if you were running a business you would also want to cut out that which is least profitable, it stands to reason economically.

mohamed69 · Post by **mohamed69** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 12:56 pm

Rick_Muller wrote:happy to share my views on 9/11 and the moon landings, but not on this thread. I see you have resorted to insults which indicates that you have lost the argument already. In this modern world where the media are as influential as they are (dare I mention Russians and Trump...?) what I am alluding to is not that fetched at all. Remember the old saying from the song "money makes the world go round..." - Sky are an organisation who's purpose is to make money, if that means they can use one of their products to influence another they will - why is my inference of this "pathetic" is my question to you?

There are really two points here:

1. You think sky are this conniving and coordinated. I'm sure they would be flattered to hear this. Having worked for large organisations I can tell you it's often shocking how uncoordinated they actually are on a day to day basis. I highly doubt the pundits have been forced to say these things to fit such an agenda.

2. Assuming 1 is correct, you assume that Burnley doing well is BAD for the league. Wouldn't a financial minnow and huge underdog punching well above its weight be great for the league and viewership? How does sky benefit from the big teams doing well and the small teams doing poorly, specifically?