Was it a pen ?

[Stayingup]

Fact is this referee is very poor and today was very pro Arsenal.

[Pimlico_Claret]

I'm surprised that Mason didn't snatch the ball from Sanchez and take the Pen himself.

He would have had to take his turn behind the liner on the Longside today, deserved every bit of abuse that was hurled at him.

[Steve1956]

Think most in the cricket field stand would agree...Stonewall penalty.

[claretspice]

It could have been given, and it could have been turned down. That's the way Mason dealt with pushes in the back all afternoon - Monreal got away with plenty of two handed pushes on Barnes when the ball went forwards, Koscielney wierdly got away with very few. Same applied at the other end.

Having been so erratic, it seems bizarre he chose to go strict for the biggest call of the match, a call he knew would generally err on the side of the defending team. Mind you, this is the ref who chose to book the first Burnley player to complain about a decision for dissent when he didn'tt get within 10 yards of the linesman (and indeed, is entirely right that the decision was wrong), and then sees fit to summon five different Arsenal players for warnings about dissent in the second half without booking a single one. So perhaps we shouldn't be surprised. Both teams had gripes about the ref at different times today, but Mason generally gave the impression he was intimidated by Arsenal.

[Diesel]

I've just got in, the Dog went flying through the air.

[Barry_Chuckle]

From my position, lying on my bed, listening ont wireless, a dead cert..

Making tents again!

Did you pull the head off it when the penalty was scored?

[THEWELLERNUT70]

Wrighty again on 606

" Ramseys done a bit,he's div........ well he's done a bit, he's made plenty of it"

[BabylonClaret]

I've only seen it from this angle https://streamable.com/ea733" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; (as I couldn't tell what happened from the JHU) but to me it's clear Tarks has a hand on ramsey. Now having a hand on him alone isn't a foul, and he looks like he's thrown himself to the ground regardless, but if it's a shove from Tarks, then by the letter of the law it can be given as a foul.

But I'm still not 100% sure either way mind.

From that footage it's looks a dive. Tarkowski doesn't actually push him. From that angle if he's pushed Ramsay he'd have gone down not forward.

[scouseclaret]

You make some good points, jlup, but if you listen to what Dyche says before mentioning Mason's performance, he does concede it was a penalty.

Are you serious? You think that “it was highly unlikely that anything other than a penalty was going to be given” is conceding it was a penalty????

Don’t have much of an ear for sarcasm do you?

[Stacky_claret]

The only thing that is certain is that it was a massive dive.
Contact does not equal a foul unless this is a new rule that's been brought in yet I'm sure that's what we'll here tonight on MOTD

[scouseclaret]

There’s nothing that winds me up more in football these days than listening to old pros (Shearer is a he worst) saying “there was conract so he was right to go down.” Why?

There’s always going to be contact when the ball comes into the box. Since when did contact equal foul???

[pushpinpussy]

yes defo move on

[agreenwood]

It’s soft, but with Ramsey going face first and Tarkowski falling on top of him, it gives Mason a decision to make.

Mason wasn’t going to pass that opportunity up.

[Wile E Coyote]

i mentioned to someone today with 10 mins remaining that they'ed win it with a last minute pen, that was based on how bad the ref was, and my suspicion that arsenal always seem to gain sneaky underhand advantages.
It looked very very innocuous to award a pen for that.
Had it have been the other way round, i would happily have accepted it though, just looked so much worse because of how **** the official was.

[scouseclaret]

That's the real issue though isn't it? We all know it wouldn't have been given the other way round.

[THEWELLERNUT70]

It’s soft, but with Ramsey going face first and Tarkowski falling on top of him, it gives Mason a decision to make.

Mason wasn’t going to pass that opportunity up.

Nah it just gave Mason a hard on because it gave him the chance to become centre of attention once again

[THEWELLERNUT70]

Radio 5 reports at 7.00pm

" Burnley manager Sean Dyche was left raging after his Burnley side went down to an Alexis Sanchez injury time penalty"

[cricketfieldclarets]

Just watched it gain. Never in a million years on second vieiwing. Gutted.

[hampsteadclaret]

I couldn't tell live..who could?
The referee was dire all afternoon, he eventually started giving us more decisions ( free kicks) but why did he not book Arsenal players for dissent?
They were gobbling off and whinging all afternoon.
I think the ref favoured the Gooners all afternoon, especially on the big decisions.

The penalty.. I have seen it from one angle 20 times.
- not sure why Tarkowski touched him..? - at that point in the game..? - not needed.
- gives the ref the opportunity he wanted.
- 'contact' is not necessarily a foul.
- Ramsey conned the ref.

Was the Defours booking fair?
Was Brady's?

Very pi**** off because we played so well.. especially the first half.
We should have killed some of those chances in the first 45..

A pretty good game overall.

[Diesel]

Can we have one soon though?

Still got little bits of steam coming out of my ears!

****, ****, **** and more ******* **** ****!

[Bertiebeehead]

******* bald ****.

[Quickenthetempo]

After watching it numerous times I'm convinced he only gives it because Tarky loses his footing and goes down, this after a hand on the back but no push.

Can we get Lee Mason banned from the Turf?

[pureclaret]

Barnes was not offside until he was flung like a rag doll to the floor in the penalty area or at least thats the way i saw it through my new claret glasses

[boatshed bill]

I am sure it was enough to give a penalty, if you are that way inclined.
But I would ask: was the penalty given for the push or the dive?

[Diesel]

**** **** bitch slap head ****** **** **** rest slap head **** ****** slap head arsehole.

[Steve1956]

A pretty good game overall.

I think it's the best game I've seen on the Turf this season,apart from the result

[scouseclaret]

Was the Defours booking fair?
Was Brady's?

Very pi**** off because we played so well.. especially the first half.
We should have killed some of those chances in the first 45..

A pretty good game overall.

Brady's was a yellow all day long. Don't know about Defour's coz I've no idea what it was for.

I thought we were brilliant for 80 minutes today, but we did kind of invite it late on. We were so comfortable and in control on the ball for most of the game, it was frustrating that for the last 10 mins or so we dropped deep, and when we did win the ball - which was often - we just booted it up the pitch and gave it them straight back.

Habbits of old!

[brigante]

I've just got in, the Dog went flying through the air.

Was there contact?

[Vintage Claret]

It's the kind of clash you see every match between defender and attacker, technically probably a foul and therefore technically probably a penalty.

Would be interested to know how often these 'technically probably a foul' decisions are given in favour of the 'big 6' clubs as opposed to say , Burnley, Huddersfield, Brighton, etc over a season.

Honestly, hand on heart, for all those saying it was a clear penalty how many believe the same decision would have been given in identical circumstances at the other end of the pitch in the 92nd minute of the game?

[Rick_Muller]

I’d forgotten how masculine professional footballers needed their sport to become like school girl Netball and have no contact... oh, what’s that you say “it hasn’t...” could have fooled me. All this nonsense about “well, there was contact” really irates me because contact, strangely enough, is not banned from the sport - the day it is, is the day that I can say I refuse to watch it because it’s full of overpaid Jessie’s who fall over at the whiff of someone’s hand in their back.

BTW - “never a penalty, but we always get those decisions” - Arsenal supporting work colleague of mine.

[lesxdp]

You are terrible losers!

Well perhaps we haven't had as much practice as you lot over recent seasons

[boatshed bill]

I’d forgotten how masculine professional footballers needed their sport to become like school girl Netball and have no contact... oh, what’s that you say “it hasn’t...” could have fooled me. All this nonsense about “well, there was contact” really irates me because contact, strangely enough, is not banned from the sport - the day it is, is the day that I can say I refuse to watch it because it’s full of overpaid Jessie’s who fall over at the whiff of someone’s hand in their back.

Bang on, Rick!

[Colburn_Claret]

The dive was completely improportionate, to the hand in the back.
In the JHU it was hard to see, but the body language looked dive.
It was obvious though that Mason was looking to give it, no matter the contact.
How Defour got booked for correctly arguing for a corner, and that little **** Sanchez was in his ear all match long and nothing.

[quoonbeatz]

Blatant dive. Contact doesn't = foul.

It's clear it's not a push but mason was desperate to give anything he could for them, no matter how tenuous.

[Bin Ont Turf]

It's the kind of clash you see every match between defender and attacker, technically probably a foul and therefore technically probably a penalty.

Would be interested to know how often these 'technically probably a foul' decisions are given in favour of the 'big 6' clubs as opposed to say , Burnley, Huddersfield, Brighton, etc over a season.

Honestly, hand on heart, for all those saying it was a clear penalty how many believe the same decision would have been given in identical circumstances at the other end of the pitch in the 92nd minute of the game?

Good post.

Tarky has his hands on Ramsey and his right foot hits the back of Ramsey's leg (normal movement) which makes Tarky stumble and fall into Ramsey.

If the exact same event happens outside the box it's a free kick every single time.

If Tarky is guilty of anything it's letting Ramsey get in front of him and being a tad clumsy.

No pushing or shoving occurred there.

[dermotdermot]

I thought initially that it was a penalty but, from that clip, it most clearly wasn’t. Most unfortunate. Pope deserves a mention for very nearly stopping the blighter. A vast improvement on his penalty shootout.

[tim_noone]

Mason to be fair had his claret and blue specs on,on another occasion .....awarding a dubious penalty

[boatshed bill]

Good post.

Tarky has his hands on Ramsey and his right foot hits the back of Ramsey's leg (normal movement) which makes Tarky stumble and fall into Ramsey.

If the exact same event happens outside the box it's a free kick every single time.

If Tarky is guilty of anything it's letting Ramsey get in front of him and being a tad clumsy.

No pushing or shoving occurred there.

That's as good an analysis as we could hope for on MOTD 2

[Tall Paul]

Blatant dive. Contact doesn't = foul.

It's clear it's not a push but mason was desperate to give anything he could for them, no matter how tenuous.

Why didn't he give them a penalty when Brady slid in on Bellerin in the box then?

[Bin Ont Turf]

That's as good an analysis as we could hope for on MOTD 2

I don't watch it when we've lost. Bad loser and all that.

I'm sure I'll get to know what they thought about it on the programme.

I still don't want penalties given for that though, and not just because it's against us.

[Claretitus]

2 free kicks for us in first half, Mason clearly paced out 8 steps, and allowed Sanchez to stand only 4/5 yards away. Twice in second half, 10 paces stepped out. Why? Cos there's 2 sets of rules in this league, one to favour the big clubs, the other not. DISGRACEFUL

[boatshed bill]

I don't watch it when we've lost. Bad loser and all that.

I'm sure I'll get to know what they thought about it on the programme.

I still don't want penalties given for that though, and not just because it's against us.

Me neither, B.O.T, the game is as soft as shoite these days, and less and less attractive to anyone who remembers playing to the original rules (in my opinion,of course)

[quoonbeatz]

Why didn't he give them a penalty when Brady slid in on Bellerin in the box then?

He couldn't. Brady took the ball. Plus there was still time for arsenal to win it themselves. It was only when it was getting desperate that he had to take matters into his own hands.

[Tall Paul]

He couldn't. Brady took the ball. Plus there was still time for arsenal to win it themselves. It was only when it was getting desperate that he had to take matters into his own hands.

Of course he could.

If he actually wanted to give them a penalty it was an ideal opportunity.

He was incompetent, not bent.

[Bin Ont Turf]

Me neither, B.O.T, the game is as soft as shoite these days, and less and less attractive to anyone who remembers playing to the original rules (in my opinion,of course)

I don't even know what constitutes as a penalty these days.

I mean some are saying that Brady's slide against that girly right back of theirs was a penalty.

He doesn't touch him and gets the ball. Sounds like a penalty.

[Tall Paul]

I don't even know what constitutes as a penalty these days.

I mean some are saying that Brady's slide against that girly right back of theirs was a penalty.

He doesn't touch him and gets the ball. Sounds like a penalty.

He does touch him though, before he gets the ball.

[quoonbeatz]

He is bent AF.

[tim_noone]

In begrudging fairness to Arsenal they knew there was only a minute of added time left and could have settled for a hard earned point but they continued to press as we did.. But they as always got the luck.

[Rick_Muller]

I don't even know what constitutes as a penalty these days.

I mean some are saying that Brady's slide against that girly right back of theirs was a penalty.

He doesn't touch him and gets the ball. Sounds like a penalty.

BUT THERE WAS CONTACT YOU BUFFOON....!!!!

That’s the rule you’re missing

[Bin Ont Turf]

BUT THERE WAS CONTACT YOU BUFFOON....!!!!

That’s the rule you’re missing

Is that the same pushing contact as Tarky made ...YOU BUFFOON?