Pep Guardiola

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Sat Jan 06, 2018 8:58 pm

City fan wrote:
It's much easier to be able to park the bus than it is to be able to dominate possession and open teams up.

Do you think that we parked the bus today?

John Johnson 1605 · Post by **John Johnson 1605** » Sat Jan 06, 2018 9:02 pm

1 Guardiola is most definitely not a Genius.

2 Dyche has taken Burnley into a team that can attack and defend.

3 In the words of your own supporters “You’ve had your day out, now **** off home.”

City fan · Post by **City fan** » Sat Jan 06, 2018 9:04 pm

bobinho wrote:Showed his true colours last year.

Mourinho/wenger esque.

Chris waddle could achieve what he’s doing with the players at his disposal. Hell, they could manage themselves to the PL title.

City improved by 12 points last season.

What about Man Utd? They spent £180m on 2 players then go to big grounds and park the bus.

If I can put words in your mouth your basically criticising him for being at top clubs but forgetting that he still has to coach the players.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Sat Jan 06, 2018 9:05 pm

John Johnson 1605 wrote:
3 In the words of your own supporters “You’ve had your day out, now **** off home.”

No need for that.

The City fan has been civil.

City fan · Post by **City fan** » Sat Jan 06, 2018 9:11 pm

Bin Ont Turf wrote:Do you think that we parked the bus today?

No. I shouldn't have used the term park the bus. I thought you tried to counter-attack when you could but I would say that Burnley are 9/10 for defending. You are one of the best organised and hard working teams in the Premier League, but only 6/10 for attacking play.

Dyche in order to be considered a top class manager has to go one step further but he has done a great job to date.

There are lots of coaches who are great at organising a defence, but who can only do so by getting men behind the ball. I am sure you can think of the names. There are also coaches who can attack, and whose teams consistently can not defend.

City fans are very lucky. Probably the new fans don't realise this. That is the only down-side to doing well. fans start to expect it, and worst still think they have a right to it.

Dark Cloud · Post by **Dark Cloud** » Sat Jan 06, 2018 9:14 pm

City fan wrote:City improved by 12 points last season.

What about Man Utd? They spent £180m on 2 players then go to big grounds and park the bus.

If I can put words in your mouth your basically criticising him for being at top clubs but forgetting that he still has to coach the players.

No he doesn't have to coach the players. He spends squillions of pounds buying the best players in the world, sends them out on the field where surprise they beat everyone else and is touted as some kind of genius. Christ my 85 year old mum could get City top of the league with that amount of cash to spend. Now, how many people could manage Burnley into 7th place. My guess: 1 (and it ain't Pep, Klopp or that "look at me, look at me" guy Mourinho!) They're all f'ing clueless without a sack full of money!

CBT · Post by **CBT** » Sat Jan 06, 2018 9:14 pm

City fan wrote:Guardiola is a genius, but he needs the tools, and he only manages where he has the tools. Put yourself in his shoes, you would pick and choose your job. That said City was not an easy job when he came in because we had just finished 4th and we were way off the title and the team needed to be rebuilt. It was basically Mancini's team grown old.

You can't compare Dyche to Guardiola because they have different quality footballers to work with. Dyche has to show that he can take Burnley from a solid defensive unit into a team that can attack and defend. It's much easier to be able to park the bus than it is to be able to dominate possession and open teams up. For Burnley it's all about progression. You like City have had a fantastic few years from different starting points.

Haven't heard any post Mach interviews but my take on today's game was we showed how to beat city in first half by pressing them in their half then 'park the bus' in our half
But to keep that up for 90 mins is cardio wise almost impossible
2nd half was a masterclass and our boys were knackered
Aguero and sane had bad a bad game by their standards but delivered when mattered
Full respect to city for the discounted tickets and reasonable prices in the stadium...far better than their money grabbing neighbours
They will probably win the champions league and fair play to em
Oh and the manager is the best of this generation although I have previously said mourinho is worthy of this title but his tactics aren't half as easy on the eye

Zesty · Post by **Zesty** » Sat Jan 06, 2018 9:16 pm

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote:What clubs has he worked at with a budget?

That’s not the point I was making and I think you know that. Pep gets the best out of players and is a great tactician. He’s spent a lot of money still yeah, but you can spend tons of money and not get as good results/performances (United).

Pep is an incredible manager, has got City playing very well and has made them arguably the best team in the world atm.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sat Jan 06, 2018 9:17 pm

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote:What clubs has he worked at with a budget?

Barca B, I don't think they have a transfer budget. Why do managers have to work without a budget to be good at managing the big clubs when the big sides do have a transfer budget? Such a weird point. Surely it's the other way around and he needs to be good with a budget to manage City? what good is it to him how good he is at spotting free transfers for a Championship team.

Moyes struggled when he stepped up and was given a budget, there's levels to the game. Dyche may be great with a small budget but does that make him better with a big budget? No it doesn't because you're shopping in a different market where contacts and influence are big. Dyche isn't at the stage of his career where he would demand respect from the big players. A good playing career helps, look at Zidane managing the big egos because he's Zidane. Dyche has signed 1 foreign player who's been a success. Why do you think you see certain managers in the Championship who are good getting out of it but never do it in the PL (Holloway, Warnock). Why do you think Allardyce/Pulis always get the same jobs? there's levels to the game.

City fan · Post by **City fan** » Sat Jan 06, 2018 9:17 pm

Bin Ont Turf wrote:No need for that.

The City fan has been civil.

Good luck for the rest of the season. We meet again soon, so I will have a look at your message board before we meet to see what you guys are thinking.

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Sat Jan 06, 2018 9:17 pm

CBT wrote:Haven't heard any post Mach interviews but my take on today's game was we showed how to beat city in first half by pressing them in their half then 'park the bus' in our half
But to keep that up for 90 mins is cardio wise almost impossible
2nd half was a masterclass and our boys were knackered
Aguero and sane had bad a bad game by their standards but delivered when mattered
Full respect to city for the discounted tickets and reasonable prices in the stadium...far better than their money grabbing neighbours
They will probably win the champions league and fair play to em
Oh and the manager is the best of this generation although I have previously said mourinho is worthy of this title but his tactics aren't half as easy on the eye

Anyone with an unlimited budget on transfer fees and wages could be labelled a genius. As I posted previously name a club he has worked for when he has had a budget to work within?

Lord Beamish · Post by **Lord Beamish** » Sat Jan 06, 2018 9:17 pm

I think it’s important that the amount of money being poured into City doesn’t overshadow the Coaching Job Guardiola is doing. Could he do what Dyche has done at Burnley? I don’t honestly know. But what he is doing a City is a perfect synergy between monetary investment and Coaching. You only have to look at what’s going on across the city to see that just throwing money at it isn’t the solution.

Having said that, I do think Guardiola is a bit of an arse, personally. He is a quite remarkable Coach, mind.

John Johnson 1605 · Post by **John Johnson 1605** » Sat Jan 06, 2018 9:18 pm

I’m regurgiatating what was shouted at me and my son this afternoon. It might not have been by this particular “City fan” who still gives the impression of being as smug as his manager. Civil or not.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Sat Jan 06, 2018 9:20 pm

He's doing an amazing job there. Every club spends money but its meaningless if the coach can't do his job, and Guardiola team, tactics and style are destroying every other team in the prem.

We are a good side, one of the best of the rest and they could have scored ten in that second half.

No one does that to us, but City could have managed it.

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Sat Jan 06, 2018 9:20 pm

Lord Beamish wrote:I think it’s important that the amount of money being poured into City doesn’t overshadow the Coaching Job Guardiola is doing. Could he do what Dyche has done at Burnley? I don’t honestly know. But what he is doing a City is a perfect synergy between monetary investment and Coaching. You only have to look at what’s going on across the city to see that just throwing money at it isn’t the solution.

Having said that, I do think Guardiola is a bit of an arse, personally. He is a quite remarkable Coach, mind.

He’s coaching the best players in the world. That’s what working with an unlimited budget affords you.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Sat Jan 06, 2018 9:22 pm

City fan wrote:No. I shouldn't have used the term park the bus. I thought you tried to counter-attack when you could but I would say that Burnley are 9/10 for defending. You are one of the best organised and hard working teams in the Premier League, but only 6/10 for attacking play.

Dyche in order to be considered a top class manager has to go one step further but he has done a great job to date.

There are lots of coaches who are great at organising a defence, but who can only do so by getting men behind the ball. I am sure you can think of the names. There are also coaches who can attack, and whose teams consistently can not defend.

City fans are very lucky. Probably the new fans don't realise this. That is the only down-side to doing well. fans start to expect it, and worst still think they have a right to it.

We are still very limited in the attacking department.

I don't think that there would be one Premier League team who would take Vokes or Barnes. It's down to the manager why they are performing to a degree at this level.

Dyche does go on about us not keeping the ball enough at times in a game and that's something we need to improve on.

We would be where Swansea are in the league if we played a more expansive game though.

CBT · Post by **CBT** » Sat Jan 06, 2018 9:25 pm

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote:Anyone with an unlimited budget on transfer fees and wages could be labelled a genius. As I posted previously name a club he has worked for when he has had a budget to work within?

He probably had a budget at Bayern but don't really know
But would sane sterling de bryune etc be so effective elsewhere?

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sat Jan 06, 2018 9:29 pm

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote:He’s coaching the best players in the world. That’s what working with an unlimited budget affords you.

No he's not, non of that City team were ''the best players in the world'' before he arrived, he turned them into the best players in the world.

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Sat Jan 06, 2018 9:30 pm

CBT wrote:He probably had a budget at Bayern but don't really know
But would sane sterling de bryune etc be so effective elsewhere?

Is that Bayern Munich the plucky minnows?

CBT · Post by **CBT** » Sat Jan 06, 2018 9:35 pm

Not plucky minnows no but I doubt he he had 'unlimited' budget like at city and Barcelona
I understand your point about anyone can win this that and t'other with the amount of money he has but my point is you've still got to go out and do it and he seems to do it wherever he goes

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Sat Jan 06, 2018 9:37 pm

City fan wrote:No. I shouldn't have used the term park the bus. I thought you tried to counter-attack when you could but I would say that Burnley are 9/10 for defending. You are one of the best organised and hard working teams in the Premier League, but only 6/10 for attacking play.

Dyche in order to be considered a top class manager has to go one step further but he has done a great job to date.

There are lots of coaches who are great at organising a defence, but who can only do so by getting men behind the ball. I am sure you can think of the names. There are also coaches who can attack, and whose teams consistently can not defend.

City fans are very lucky. Probably the new fans don't realise this. That is the only down-side to doing well. fans start to expect it, and worst still think they have a right to it.

The problem we have, and will always have is that we will never be able to afford top forwards and creative players. (Because you mega-rich lot have priced us out), so we have to concentrate on what we can afford to do.
Add to that the fact that probably our greatest goalscoring threats are out injured and you see why we are not a massively attacking team.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sat Jan 06, 2018 9:40 pm

I'm sorry but anyone who doubts Pep clearly knows nothing about football.... I wonder if they doubted Fergie, just stupidity really and the question ''could they do it without a budget'' is just toss, why do they need to do it without a transfer budget when the big clubs they're competing with have a massive transfer budget too.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Sat Jan 06, 2018 9:42 pm

City fan wrote:Good luck for the rest of the season. We meet again soon, so I will have a look at your message board before we meet to see what you guys are thinking.

We'll probably be thinking.......... oh no, not them buggers again.

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Sat Jan 06, 2018 9:44 pm

KRBFC wrote:I'm sorry but anyone who doubts Pep clearly knows nothing about football.... I wonder if they doubted Fergie, just stupidity really and the question ''could they do it without a budget'' is just toss, why do they need to do it without a transfer budget when the big clubs they're competing with have a massive transfer budget too.

‘Fergie’ who won trophies with the mighty Aberdeen? Sorry I get he may be a genius coach but working at clubs where money is no object is a massive advantage surely?

Stayingup · Post by **Stayingup** » Sat Jan 06, 2018 9:46 pm

We lost it today. Not just the match our way and shape after that first goal inspired by another duffer of a referee.

Let's see how they go on on our narrower pitch and against out first team
Love to beat 'em and we'll see how this world beater the Pep reacts to that. But aren't they a plastic club.

Pstotto · Post by **Pstotto** » Sat Jan 06, 2018 9:46 pm

When City beat Southampton, Guardiola went over to a soton player and gave him a gee-up pep talk on the pitch. Pelegrinni had every right to thump him for showing such disrespect.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Sat Jan 06, 2018 9:49 pm

Can't wait for the European cup final.and hear what excuses the managers who fall by the wayside have to offer......

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Sat Jan 06, 2018 9:51 pm

Pstotto wrote:When City beat Southampton, Guardiola went over to a soton player and gave him a gee-up pep talk on the pitch. Pelegrinni had every right to thump him for showing such disrespect.

Redmans never been the same player since...

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Sat Jan 06, 2018 9:55 pm

Pstotto wrote:When City beat Southampton, Guardiola went over to a soton player and gave him a gee-up pep talk on the pitch. Pelegrinni had every right to thump him for showing such disrespect.

I demand you refer to him as Pep!

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Sat Jan 06, 2018 9:59 pm

Pstotto wrote:When City beat Southampton, Guardiola went over to a soton player and gave him a gee-up pep talk on the pitch. Pelegrinni had every right to thump him for showing such disrespect.

And didn't he say Spurs were just a one man team?

He likes to belittle others, doesn't he?

Hozz · Post by **Hozz** » Sat Jan 06, 2018 10:02 pm

Why don’t you, KRBFC and Ablu, bugger off and support one of the Manchester clubs and you can saturate their forums with your insightful and intelligent diatribes while myself and the majority of this forum will continue to support OUR team and OUR manager.

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Sat Jan 06, 2018 10:05 pm

Hozz wrote:Why don’t you, KRBFC and Ablu, bugger off and support one of the Manchester clubs and you can saturate their forums with your insightful and intelligent diatribes while myself and the majority of this forum will continue to support OUR team and OUR manager.

Bizarre post. KRBFC is commenting on the Manchester City manager on a thread titled ‘Pep Guardiola’ (he’s the Manchester City manager).

Hozz · Post by **Hozz** » Sat Jan 06, 2018 10:11 pm

To be honest I could probably have picked any post on this forum and said the same, bizarre or not, I’m behind this team and manager and just get fed up with posters like KRBFC and Ablueclaret coming on and being incredibly negative. Yep, fair cop today, we got undone by a masterful array of plays that put us where we belong, outside the top six but we are 7th, so just outside the top six so just give us a bit of credit for heavens sake.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sat Jan 06, 2018 10:41 pm

lucs86 wrote:City have improved, massively, they're possibly the best team in the world right now. Sterling hasn't remarkably improved his game, he's doing the same things that he was doing years ago at Liverpool in a far better team that puts him in the positions he likes far more regularly. We'll see how much better he does for England, I'd bank on no better.

In all fairness if he's toss for England I wouldn't say that would be his fault...

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sat Jan 06, 2018 10:43 pm

KRBFC wrote:I'm sorry but anyone who doubts Pep clearly knows nothing about football.... I wonder if they doubted Fergie, just stupidity really and the question ''could they do it without a budget'' is just toss, why do they need to do it without a transfer budget when the big clubs they're competing with have a massive transfer budget too.

Fergie?
He nearly got booted in the early years at UTD......

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Sat Jan 06, 2018 10:45 pm

I haven't read the previous 82 threads, bur I like Pep. He doesn't have the self pity of Moanriho or Wenger. He sees and says it as it is.

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Sat Jan 06, 2018 10:47 pm

Colburn_Claret wrote:I haven't read the previous 82 threads, bur I like Pep. He doesn't have the self pity of Moanriho or Wenger. He sees and says it as it is.

You mean Jose and Arsene? Sorry I get confused when posters refer to the ‘top’ managers my surnames.

Working_Class_Zero · Post by **Working_Class_Zero** » Sun Jan 07, 2018 8:48 am

Bouncer Sean holding back...

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Ric_C · Post by **Ric_C** » Sun Jan 07, 2018 12:14 pm

Bizarre antics by Pep yet again yesterday. Culminating in his punching the air jump when the half time whistle blew.

Is he always like this, or just against us?

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Sun Jan 07, 2018 12:24 pm

Cracking manager. Spends loads of money but he's earned the right to. One if the few top managers who acknowledges that teams have to play in different ways - he's very complimentary about us.

They've got a great team but city aren't really a football club anymore. They're ruining football. The who experience there is as corporate and sanitised as it can be. They've lost the the passion that made them a decent club. Still kept their famously entitled fans though. They've just added more who are even more entitled.

Stayingup · Post by **Stayingup** » Sun Jan 07, 2018 12:29 pm

Bin Ont Turf wrote:No need for that.

The City fan has been civil.

You're not kidding you are very lucky with all that oli money swilling round youd necks.

But so are we

We are owned by fans of the club not an oil rich state in the Middle East.

Still enjoy while it lasts because it won't last forever.

Question. How do you think the managers would fair if they swapped clubs? I think I know.

Darthlaw · Post by **Darthlaw** » Sun Jan 07, 2018 12:33 pm

Worth noting that Mourinho has turned Jesse Lingard into a good player and he's absolute dirt.

For real facts in terms of spending, Pep has spent £361 million and Mourinho £268, including buying a new £40 million goalkeeper to replace the pish one he bought last year. Not many could get away with that if they weren't Pep.

Said it before, Pep is clearly talented and a hell of a man manager but until he proves he can do a Klopp @ Dortmund, Jose @ Porto, Van Gaal @ Ajax, etc he'll always have the doubt that he's just good at managing teams that should walk their relative leagues anyway.

What chance his next stop will be Celtic

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Sun Jan 07, 2018 1:36 pm

Darthlaw wrote:Worth noting that Mourinho has turned Jesse Lingard into a good player and he's absolute dirt.

For real facts in terms of spending, Pep has spent £361 million and Mourinho £268, including buying a new £40 million goalkeeper to replace the pish one he bought last year. Not many could get away with that if they weren't Pep.

Said it before, Pep is clearly talented and a hell of a man manager but until he proves he can do a Klopp @ Dortmund, Jose @ Porto, Van Gaal @ Ajax, etc he'll always have the doubt that he's just good at managing teams that should walk their relative leagues anyway.

What chance his next stop will be Celtic

You seemed to have missed out what he did at Barcelona out of your summary. Real Madrid are the ones that should walk that league - at the time of Pep especially. Madrid were by far the biggest spending team in the world and spent much more than Barca.
There is no way Mourinho could achieve what Pep did and there is no way Pep would want to achieve what Mourinho did in the style and manner he did it in - completely classless

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sun Jan 07, 2018 1:56 pm

Darthlaw wrote:Worth noting that Mourinho has turned Jesse Lingard into a good player and he's absolute dirt.

For real facts in terms of spending, Pep has spent £361 million and Mourinho £268, including buying a new £40 million goalkeeper to replace the pish one he bought last year. Not many could get away with that if they weren't Pep.

Said it before, Pep is clearly talented and a hell of a man manager but until he proves he can do a Klopp @ Dortmund, Jose @ Porto, Van Gaal @ Ajax, etc he'll always have the doubt that he's just good at managing teams that should walk their relative leagues anyway.

What chance his next stop will be Celtic

He did it at Barcelona, he went in and sold a lot of the senior players like Ronaldinho and Deco then rebuilt with youth products he'd coached in the Barca B side. They won the first treble in Spanish football history. In fact he barely brought anybody in, Pique from United at £4M, Dani Alves at £23M. His net spend in the first season with Barca was around 10-15 million euros, hardly the big bucks being spent by other sides in Europe or the unlimited transfer budget some posters claim he had.

Pep spent £4M on Gerard Pique, about the same as what Dyche spent on Sordell, Juke, Reid, Taylor combined. Busquets and Pedro he promoted having developed them in the Barca B side.

Spike · Post by **Spike** » Sun Jan 07, 2018 2:46 pm

The man is a clown a monkey could win games that amount of brass

Caernarfon_Claret · Post by **Caernarfon_Claret** » Sun Jan 07, 2018 4:16 pm

It's a shame City moved away from Moss Side, Pep would have loved it there.

Darthlaw · Post by **Darthlaw** » Sun Jan 07, 2018 4:25 pm

There is no way Mourinho could have done what Pep did? Took a team with one of the games best ever players and a ‘class of 92’ style youth setup to win a two team league? Or took a treble winning Bayern team, who bought their nearest contenders best players and continued to win a one team league?

Or are we talking about City, where he again buys competitors best players (Sterling, Walker, soon to be Sanchez) and spends his way out of trouble when he buys a dud (already mentioned the keeper).

I realise the fact Mourinho is an utter Bell end is clouding your judgment but to say he couldn’t have achieved the same is just laughable.

Christ sake, Mourinho even won two trophies last season with a United team most consider to be average at best. How many did Pep win?

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Sun Jan 07, 2018 5:54 pm

Darthlaw wrote:There is no way Mourinho could have done what Pep did? Took a team with one of the games best ever players and a ‘class of 92’ style youth setup to win a two team league? Or took a treble winning Bayern team, who bought their nearest contenders best players and continued to win a one team league?

Or are we talking about City, where he again buys competitors best players (Sterling, Walker, soon to be Sanchez) and spends his way out of trouble when he buys a dud (already mentioned the keeper).

I realise the fact Mourinho is an utter Bell end is clouding your judgment but to say he couldn’t have achieved the same is just laughable.

Christ sake, Mourinho even won two trophies last season with a United team most consider to be average at best. How many did Pep win?

The only thing that is laughable is how you are describing what he did at Barcelona as something as simple that anyone could have done. If Mourinho was capable of doing it why did the powers that be not ask him to do it - he worked at Barca so it would have been very easy to appoint him.
Are you seriously saying you think Mourinho would have made Barca into the team that Pep did ? There is nothing in his career to suggest he could have got them playing like they did.

As for Mourinho winning 2 trophies last year - big deal. Who did they beat of any significance in Europa league ? The quality was awful. They finished 6th in the league even after him buying the most expensive player in the world at the time.

The gulf between city and united now simply reflects the gulf between the 2 managers. Just like it did in Spain.

Darthlaw · Post by **Darthlaw** » Sun Jan 07, 2018 6:04 pm

So Mourinho wins 2 trophies and it’s big whoop, who did he beat?Guardiola has the best player in the world at his disposal and is some kind of God. For smashing Tenerife and Eibar all over the show.

For information, have you ever looked at who Liverpool beat to win their European cups? Was their team crap because of the teams they beat?

Again, refer to my ‘clouding your judgement’ comment.

Would Pep have taken that Porto side and won the UEFA cup and Champions league with them? Or the Internazionale side?

Both are good, Mourinho has proven he can do it in multiple leagues, with multiple teams in multiple competitive competitions. Until Pep can say he’s done the same, the doubt will always be there.

superdimitri · Post by **superdimitri** » Sun Jan 07, 2018 6:40 pm

It was annoying seeing his celebrations, but to be honest I took it as a compliment in the end, he knows how defensively good we are and he was full of joy last time he beat us, that he was so glad that his team knocked 4 passed us says everything.

Their teams worth is seven times ours, they have the best manager in the world and he is happy to beat little old Burnley. What does that say about us?