Do you rail against Corbyn, Lily Allen, Sadiq Khan and Islam?

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Mon Jan 22, 2018 4:14 pm

Aah....the evidence ....ready and waiting...some nobody writes an essay in a nothing publication and virtue signallers the world over **** their pants.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Mon Jan 22, 2018 4:14 pm

They like to oppose fascism, hence the name.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Mon Jan 22, 2018 4:14 pm

Got a keepnet full of racists and their apologists here guys

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Mon Jan 22, 2018 4:15 pm

" But mummy I read it...its true...it must be...."

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Mon Jan 22, 2018 4:16 pm

" Im going onto the Internet now mummy to start a big row "

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Mon Jan 22, 2018 4:17 pm

"Guys "
" calling out"
...the evidence mounts...

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Mon Jan 22, 2018 4:17 pm

" a whole bunch " next ?

claretandy · Post by **claretandy** » Mon Jan 22, 2018 4:17 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:They like to oppose fascism, hence the name.

They like to sucker punch though don't they ?

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Mon Jan 22, 2018 4:18 pm

Fascists lol....

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Mon Jan 22, 2018 4:18 pm

Mummy...the police are pigs and fascists....lol

claretandy · Post by **claretandy** » Mon Jan 22, 2018 4:19 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:Got a keepnet full of racists and their apologists here guys

"please, please, come and help me guys, the horrible racists are picking on me"

AndrewJB · Post by **AndrewJB** » Mon Jan 22, 2018 4:20 pm

Corbyn has (for this country) some radical ideas, so I can understand people not wanting to take back control of our railways and utilities, or free university, and therefore not liking him. But Sadiq Khan? What has he done that is in any way contentious?

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Mon Jan 22, 2018 4:20 pm

Cheers for the copy and paste, one day you'll post your own opinion.

Islam is an ideology, just like Christianity.
Judaism is different and that's been documented before.

The attack wasn't justified or warranted, but it wasn't a racist attack and that's the key part you're struggling with.
Why don't people carry out the same attacks on the Western church's?

Probably due to better media suppression by the churches for starters.

Islam has unfortunately been twisted by those to justify their paedophilic urges, with the belief that against non Muslim girls it isn't a problem.
Same with the twisted beliefs that the rest of the world needs converting to Islam.

It still isn't a race though and you can copy /paste as much as you like but Islam has never been declared a race of people.

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Mon Jan 22, 2018 4:22 pm

Copy and Paste is a godsend for UTB and his chums.Saves them having to express an opinion whilst shouting and swearing at everyone else.

Dazzler · Post by **Dazzler** » Mon Jan 22, 2018 4:22 pm

https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/page ... acism.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"This article points out that Muslims are not a race, as is often implied, but if they were then it would make Islam the world's most dangerous race-based supremacist ideology".

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Mon Jan 22, 2018 4:23 pm

I wonder if upthebeehole will branch out and create a post to lure out the homophobes?

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Mon Jan 22, 2018 4:24 pm

The keepnet's almost overflowing!

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Mon Jan 22, 2018 4:26 pm

With who?

Can't be racist against Islam or Christianity.
Both ideologies so your argument is null void.

Guich · Post by **Guich** » Mon Jan 22, 2018 4:26 pm

If you read UpTheBeehole's posts in the voice of Rick from the Young Ones they're ace.

if you then imagine Vivian setting his pile of jazz mags on fire while standing on his head it's even better

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Jan 22, 2018 4:27 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:So did Darren Osborne, racist killer:

Familiar views for many on here.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... ark-attack

You've made a lot of dumb posts but i think this is among your dumbest. **** off.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Mon Jan 22, 2018 4:29 pm

Sidney1st wrote:With who?

Can't be racist against Islam or Christianity.
Both ideologies so your argument is null void.

Did you even ******* read the article?

Do you read anything?

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Mon Jan 22, 2018 4:32 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:Did you even ******* read the article?

Do you read anything?

Yeah I had a quick browse.

My brother in law is Pakistani first and Muslim 2nd.
My cousin is Algerian first and Muslim 2nd.
Friend of mine from Burnley is Pakistani first and Muslim 2nd.

Like I said, Islam isn't a race and until its declared as one it doesn't matter what you copy and paste.

Racism cannot be applied to Islam or Christianity, only to Judaism.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Mon Jan 22, 2018 4:36 pm

Is anti-Muslim bigotry a form of racism?
The argument that Muslims are not a "race" is often deployed by those seeking to evade accusations of racism

Last week was the 20th anniversary of a major report on anti-Muslim sentiment in the United Kingdom. To mark the occasion, another major report was released. In it, the phrase "anti-Muslim racism" was used, which attracted interest in and of itself. Is this the phrase we now ought to be using to be describing structural societal hostility towards Muslims in the West? Or does it raise questions that we may not have holistic answers to?

The most common objection to the term "anti-Muslim racism" is a simplistic, often misleading one: that Muslims are "not a race". Of course, this is utterly true – Muslims are not a race. They are a religious group, characterised by their affinity to a set of religious beliefs. At the same time, the vast majority of objections in this regard seem mostly to be made in order to escape accusations of bigotry. We can’t be bigots, so the claim goes, because Muslims are not a race. It’s a deceptive statement when deployed in this fashion, and it should be recognised as such.

Yet Muslims are indeed not a racial group. In some places, Muslims might be predominantly from a certain ethnic background, but that doesn’t make them a race. Anyone can become a Muslim, just as anyone can leave Islam: the very nature of that kind of commitment is quite different from a racial category.

And yet, there is an important reality at play here – and it is that, while Muslims may not be a race, anti-Muslim sentiment has become increasingly "racialised". Sikhs, for example, will be mistaken as being Muslim, and attacked as such. The rhetoric in the public sphere around Muslims is often far more akin to anti-Semitism, rather than simply critiques about Islam and religious practice. As Bristol University professor Tariq Modood puts it, it is a "non-biological form of racism" that Muslim Britons in particular – but one could extrapolate to the rest of Western Muslim communities – suffer. One should make no mistake: critique and criticism of Muslims in the public sphere is, indeed, "racialised", even if there is no "race" per se that is involved.

Nonetheless, there are still legitimate and genuine objections to the phrase "anti-Muslim racism". It may well be that the usage of the term will help in tackling the phenomenon of anti-Muslim sentiment, and the structural bigotry they face in various forms in western societies. But then, if the term is used in order to push back on injustice against Muslim Western communities, rather than out of a recognition of its internal, intellectual cohesion, then this may be more of a political decision. It may well be that is the way to go – but if so, it needs to be made abundantly clear.

There may be other reasons to object to the phrase, which have to do with bigotry or prejudice against other groups, albeit not necessarily in the UK. Does the appalling treatment, for example, of Coptic Christians in Egypt by radical extremists mean there exists an "anti-Copt racism"? What about when Sunni Muslims and Shia Muslims clash, or systematically abuse one another in different geographical contexts – are these types of racism?

They might well be considered as such, just as "anti-Muslim racism", according to its supporters, ought be considered as such. But if so, perhaps this says more about how we recognise and consider the appalling ways in which race is engaged with in the West today, rather than the internal intellectual cohesion of how these types of words are actually used. Perhaps it says far less about the theoretical reality of what racism actually is, and far more about recognising the Muslims of our country and the continent of Europe are viewed, wrongly, as the "other". They are citizens and so forth – but they are certainly not universally recognised within the UK as being truly British. The "otherising" of the Muslims has become so pronounced and widespread, and perhaps as a result, the phrase "anti-Muslim racism" becomes less problematic.

But this is the problem with our intellectual discourse today – it is reactionary at the best of times. Hence why today, we find many who are so very keen to embrace the term "anti-Muslim racism" with open arms. Perhaps the use of the phrase is "political" and even "pragmatic" because of the "othering" of Muslim communities in the UK and beyond.

I remain less than completely convinced by the intellectual underpinning thus far of the phrase "anti-Muslim racism", though I am open to changing my mind. But I wholly agree that the critique of Muslims is seldom due to interest in scholarship of the Quran – these are polemical, bigoted attacks, and they often do indeed remind me of anti-Jewish tomes of the 1920 and 1930s. In that regard, they are racialised, whether, again, we like it or not. And while that is the case, there are going to be people who will use the term precisely to fight back against anti-Muslim bigotry and racism in many parts of the world. For that, we’ve really nothing to complain about.On the contrary, our attention ought to be deployed far more vigorously in ensuring this structural and societal bigotry is tackled head on.

https://www.thenational.ae/opinion/comm ... m-1.677899

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Mon Jan 22, 2018 4:39 pm

Have you proven Islam is a race yet?

Or have you just copied and pasted something else, yet again...

Prove Islam is a race like Judaism and then you'll have a point.
Until then taking umbrage against a religious ideology isn't being racist.
Attacking said religious ideology in said manner is moronic and the bloke should stay in prison for good.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Mon Jan 22, 2018 4:46 pm

No one's saying Islam is a race, because it's a f*cking religion. But islamaphobia is racism, in the same way anti-semitism is racism.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Mon Jan 22, 2018 4:48 pm

So Islam isn't a race but Islamaphobia is racism?

Did you proof read that before you posted it?

Judaism is a race so antisemitism is racist, that part is correct.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Mon Jan 22, 2018 4:49 pm

The United Nations view:

Fifty-third session
Agenda item 108
RESOLUTION ADOPTED BY THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY
[on the report of the Third Committee (A/53/623)]
53/133. Measures to combat contemporary forms of racism, racial discrimination,
xenophobia and related intolerance
The General Assembly,
Recalling its resolution 52/109 of 12 December 1997, and taking note of Commission on Human Rights
resolution 1998/26 of 17 April 1998,1
Bearing in mind the outcome of the World Conference on Human Rights, held at Vienna from 14 to 25
June 1993, in particular the attention given in the Vienna Declaration and Programme of Action to the 2
elimination of racism, racial discrimination, xenophobia and other forms of intolerance,
Aware that racism, as one of the exclusionist phenomena plaguing many societies, requires resolute
action and cooperation for its eradication,
Having examined the report of the Special Rapporteur of the Commission on Human Rights on
contemporary forms of racism, racial discrimination, xenophobia and related intolerance, including its 3
conclusions and recommendations,
A/RES/53/133
Page 2
See Official Records of the General Assembly, Forty-eighth Session, Supplement No. 18 (A/48/18), chap. VIII, 4
sect. B.
Resolution 2106 A (XX), annex. 5
Resolution 217 A (III). 6
/...
Deeply concerned that, despite continued efforts, racism, racial discrimination, xenophobia and related
intolerance, as well as acts of violence, persist and even grow in magnitude, incessantly adopting new forms,
including tendencies to establish policies based on racial, religious, ethnic, cultural and national superiority or
exclusivity,
Deeply concerned also that those advocating racism and racial discrimination misuse new
communication technologies, including the Internet, to disseminate their repugnant views,
Noting that the use of such technologies can also contribute to combating racism, racial discrimination,
xenophobia and related intolerance,
Conscious of the fundamental difference between, on the one hand, racism and racial discrimination as
governmental policy or resulting from official doctrines of racial superiority or exclusivity and, on the other
hand, other manifestations of racism, racial discrimination, xenophobia and related intolerance that are
increasingly visible in segments of many societies and are perpetrated by individuals or groups, some of
which manifestations are directed against migrant workers and members of their families,
Reaffirming, in this regard, the responsibility of Governments for safeguarding and protecting the rights
of individuals residing in their territory against racist or xenophobic crimes perpetrated by individuals or
groups,
Noting that the Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination, in its general recommendation
XV (42) of 17 March 1993 on article 4 of the International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of 4
Racial Discrimination, holds that the prohibition of the dissemination of ideas based on racial superiority or 5
racial hatred is compatible with the right to freedom of opinion and expression as outlined in article 19 of the
Universal Declaration of Human Rights and in article 5 of the Convention, 6
Noting also that the reports that the States parties submit under the Convention contain, inter alia,
information about the causes of, as well as measures to combat, contemporary forms of racism, racial
discrimination, xenophobia and related intolerance,
Conscious that impunity for crimes motivated by racist and xenophobic attitudes plays a role in
weakening the rule of law and tends to encourage the recurrence of such crimes,
Particularly alarmed at the rise of racist and xenophobic ideas in political circles, in the sphere of
public opinion and in society at large,
Noting that the Special Rapporteur will continue to pay attention to the rise of racist and xenophobic
ideas in political circles, in the sphere of public opinion and in society at large,
Emphasizing the importance of creating conditions that foster greater harmony and tolerance within
societies,
A/RES/53/133
Page 3
1. Takes note with appreciation of the report of the Special Rapporteur of the Commission on
Human Rights on contemporary forms of racism, racial discrimination, xenophobia and related intolerance,3
and expresses its support for the continuation of his work;
2. Requests the Special Rapporteur to continue his exchange of views with Member States, relevant
mechanisms, related United Nations organs and the specialized agencies in order to further their effectiveness
and mutual cooperation;
3. Commends the Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination for its contribution to the
effective implementation of the International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial
Discrimination, which contributes to the fight against contemporary forms of racism, racial discrimination, 5
xenophobia and related intolerance;
4. Affirms that acts of racist violence against others stemming from racism do not constitute
expressions of opinion but rather offences;
5. Declares that racism and racial discrimination are among the most serious violations of human
rights in the contemporary world and must be combated by all available means;
6. Expresses its profound concern about and unequivocal condemnation of all forms of racism and
racial discrimination, in particular all racist violence, and related acts of random and indiscriminate violence;
7. Also expresses its profound concern about and unequivocal condemnation of all forms of racism
and racial discrimination, including propaganda, activities and organizations based on doctrines of superiority
of one race or group of persons that attempt to justify or promote racism and racial discrimination in any
form;
8. Expresses its profound concern about and condemnation of manifestations of racism, racial
discrimination, xenophobia and related intolerance against migrant workers and members of their families,
persons belonging to minorities and members of vulnerable groups in many societies;
9. Encourages all States to include in their educational curricula and social programmes at all levels,
as appropriate, knowledge of and tolerance and respect for foreign cultures, peoples and countries;
10. Recognizes that the increasing gravity of different manifestations of racism, racial discrimination
and xenophobia in various parts of the world requires a more integrated and effective approach on the part of
the relevant mechanisms of United Nations human rights machinery;
11. Encourages Governments to take appropriate measures to eradicate all forms of racism, racial
discrimination, xenophobia and related intolerance;
12. Calls upon all States to review and, where necessary, revise their immigration policies with a view
to eliminating all discriminatory policies and practices against migrants which are inconsistent with relevant
international human rights instruments;
13. Categorically deplores the misuse of print, audio-visual and electronic media and new
communication technologies, including the Internet, to incite violence motivated by racial hatred;
14. Recognizes that Governments should implement and enforce appropriate and effective legislation
to prevent acts of racism, racial discrimination, xenophobia and related intolerance;
A/RES/53/133
Page 4
15. Calls upon all Governments and intergovernmental organizations, with the assistance of nongovernmental
organizations, as appropriate, to supply relevant information to the Special Rapporteur to
enable him to fulfil his mandate;
16. Commends non-governmental organizations for the action that they have taken against racism and
racial discrimination and for the continuous support and assistance that they have provided to the victims of
racism and racial discrimination;
17. Urges all Governments to cooperate fully with the Special Rapporteur with a view to enabling him
to fulfil his mandate, including the examination of incidents of contemporary forms of racism and racial
discrimination, inter alia, against blacks, Arabs and Muslims, xenophobia, Negrophobia, anti-Semitism and
related intolerance;
18. Requests the Secretary-General to provide the Special Rapporteur with all the necessary human and
financial assistance to carry out his mandate efficiently, effectively and expeditiously and to enable him to
submit an interim report to the General Assembly at its fifty-fourth session.
85th plenary meeting
9 December 1998

http://www.un.org/ga/search/view_doc.as ... RES/53/133

UpTheClaretsFCBK · Post by **UpTheClaretsFCBK** » Mon Jan 22, 2018 4:51 pm

claretandy wrote:Just been watching your antifa lot on sky news, they like to sucker punch don't they, i'd better be careful ....

I'm a member of Antifa.

Watch the stands for a Burnley Antifa flag in the coming months.

I'm responding to the moronic 'No Surrender' brigade.

Guich · Post by **Guich** » Mon Jan 22, 2018 4:53 pm

Can we not keep politics out of the stands? just ignore the nobs

Dazzler · Post by **Dazzler** » Mon Jan 22, 2018 4:55 pm

https://stream.org/am-i-an-islamophobe/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"Phobias are inordinate fears — of heights, dogs, snakes, enclosed spaces and so on"

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Mon Jan 22, 2018 4:58 pm

Whey another copy and paste.

You're holding onto number 17 aren't you?

Or do you want to copy and paste the UN resolution about the defamation of religion instead?

The issue is people can't separate Islam from people from the middle east.
Then any time someone takes umbrage with something done in the name of Islam they're then branded as racist.

I personally don't like Islam or Christianity, but it doesn't make me racist.
Judaism doesn't really cause much aggro apart from what happens in Israel but they were given the place without much thought in the 1900's so it isn't really their fault.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Mon Jan 22, 2018 4:58 pm

Dazzler seems to be a committed racist/islamophobe

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Mon Jan 22, 2018 4:59 pm

I don't like religion, what does that make me?

Dazzler · Post by **Dazzler** » Mon Jan 22, 2018 5:00 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:Dazzler seems to be a committed racist/islamophobe

Ask a Coptic Christian in Egypt whose faith has been suppressed for more than a millennia. Ask Nigerian Christian girls kidnapped by Boko Haram. Ask a survivor, if you can find one, of the once great and ancient Jewish communities in Egypt, Iraq or Iran. Talk to Yazidi girls sold into sexual slavery in ISIS-controlled territory.

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Mon Jan 22, 2018 5:00 pm

Racism is a hatred of another person or persons because of their race.
Islamophobia is a fear of Islam, usually brought on by current events around the globe.
There is no word that precisely means the hatred of any particular religion or religions.
Therefore it is strictly incorrect to call someone a racist if they criticise or condemn Islam or any other religion. There are many races under the umbrella of Islam, just as there are with Christianity.
Just to be precise you understand.

Guich · Post by **Guich** » Mon Jan 22, 2018 5:06 pm

UpTheBeehole does more to damage the causes of diversity and inclusivity, as well as the image of Labour supporters than anyone on here.

And I'm beginning to suspect he's doing it on purpose.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Mon Jan 22, 2018 5:09 pm

He's just trying to lure out racists.

Its easier to post a list of names, but not as much fun.

4:20 · Post by **4:20** » Mon Jan 22, 2018 5:15 pm

One should always strive to avoid doing a Cathy Newman

Dazzler · Post by **Dazzler** » Mon Jan 22, 2018 5:20 pm

I think I may have already mentioned this.. some of my best pals in the Army were Black.
One of whom died at the age 18.

Now **** off!!! you Imbecile!

bob-the-scutter · Post by **bob-the-scutter** » Mon Jan 22, 2018 5:47 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:I let these people smear themselves

I imagine you've been smearing yourself with something quite smelly?

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Mon Jan 22, 2018 5:49 pm

Low quality thread this

Lord Rothbury · Post by **Lord Rothbury** » Mon Jan 22, 2018 5:59 pm

UTB ,in the past you have on many occasions made a fool of yourself today however you have excelled yourself .There you are I have " called you out " whatever that means .

Flatline · Post by **Flatline** » Mon Jan 22, 2018 6:32 pm

Sidney1st wrote:Yeah I had a quick browse.

My brother in law is Pakistani first and Muslim 2nd.
My cousin is Algerian first and Muslim 2nd.
Friend of mine from Burnley is Pakistani first and Muslim 2nd.

Like I said, Islam isn't a race and until its declared as one it doesn't matter what you copy and paste.

Racism cannot be applied to Islam or Christianity, only to Judaism.

Jews aren't a race either.

CoolClaret · Post by **CoolClaret** » Mon Jan 22, 2018 6:41 pm

Flatline wrote:Jews aren't a race either.

No they are exactly that.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Mon Jan 22, 2018 6:43 pm

Flatline wrote:Jews aren't a race either.

Technically they are but I'm not entirely sure why

Flatline · Post by **Flatline** » Mon Jan 22, 2018 6:49 pm

CoolClaret wrote:No they are exactly that.

You mean this race?
https://uk.images.search.yahoo.com/yhs/ ... simp=yhs-1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Or this one?
https://uk.images.search.yahoo.com/yhs/ ... simp=yhs-1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Mon Jan 22, 2018 6:55 pm

Flatline wrote:You mean this race?
https://uk.images.search.yahoo.com/yhs/ ... simp=yhs-1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Or this one?
https://uk.images.search.yahoo.com/yhs/ ... simp=yhs-1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Precisely why I have no idea why.

If I converted to Judaism tomorrow, would I change my race?

Dazzler · Post by **Dazzler** » Mon Jan 22, 2018 7:22 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:They like to oppose fascism, hence the name.

Fascism is totalitarian...

Islam is a totalitarian ideology.

Walton · Post by **Walton** » Mon Jan 22, 2018 7:29 pm

Don't Antifa fight against ISIS?

Dazzler · Post by **Dazzler** » Mon Jan 22, 2018 7:41 pm

Walton wrote:Don't Antifa fight against ISIS?

No,They fight against free speech.

Typical Antifa...

https://youtu.be/38ZSAoevTn8" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;