Potential Message Board Changes

[Hipper]

As CT has mentioned many times there is a 'Report this post' (!) button but it seems many don't use it.

I wonder if a strict ban on swearing in all its forms (wtf, two-hat etc.) should be enforced. Whilst that won't stop bickering it might make the place a bit more civil. Perhaps some sort of behaviour code which we automatically agree to when signing up.

I don't think there's a necessity to split the Board into football and non-football yet.

[CharlieinNewMexico]

For me it's fine.
What needs tightening is more suspensions for those that constantly bicker / personally abuse.

And hijacking threads. I'm not here to learn your personal agenda. I'm here because the individual thread title was of interest to me.

[Belgianclaret]

I think we should change the language used into Flemish

[NRC]

the remainers beating the n'fexits

[bfcmartin]

Leave it as it is, sometimes someone posts something that isn't football related that's really interesting like the Space X rocket topic last night. If I hadn't seen the thread on here I would have missed it as i would probably only look at the football related board

[lucs86]

I know the subject matter is serious but I think there's a way that 'Keep it as it is' could have been called 'Remain', just for a laugh.

[happyclaret17]

perhaps the poster of a thread could clean up their own thread....we all know that there are people with agendas on these forums....many not even burnley fans who just latch onto a busy and vibrant forum....if the originator of any given thread feels the content is going the wrong way then why not let them delete a post that is inapropriate and take the burden away from the mods......free speech is one thing but hijacking a good thread and dragging it into the gutter is another....utc.

[DCWat]

Is a split actually needed?

Could there be a selection required when creating a thread that needs to be completed, i.e. Football / Non Football and a filtering option added to the board? Something like that sounds very simple to achieve (to a non techie) and would suit all preferences.

On the old board, there used to be a ‘serving a temporary ban’ indicator - I quite like the idea of a yellow / red card system.

For me though, the biggest problem is the bickering which is generally by those that like a debate only to ruin one with their name calling and arguments.

[conyoviejo]

Get rid of the sandal wearers..

[DCWat]

As CT has mentioned many times there is a 'Report this post' (!) button but it seems many don't use it.

I wonder if a strict ban on swearing in all its forms (wtf, two-hat etc.) should be enforced. Whilst that won't stop bickering it might make the place a bit more civil. Perhaps some sort of behaviour code which we automatically agree to when signing up.

I don't think there's a necessity to split the Board into football and non-football yet.

I don’t think anything should be off limits, be that a topic or bad language. Just because a topic is emotive shouldn’t mean that it can’t be discussed civilly and there is a time for bad language - especially on a football messageboard.

[Lancasterclaret]

Oh, and get rid of the wannabee Einsatzgruppen members as well

[CaptainKirk]

Leave it as it is.
As someone mentioned earlier, we don't talk about football ALL the time, it is great to have a variety of topics on the same board.
if you don't like a topic don't go on it and if the usual suspects start bickering leave them to it.

[South West Claret.]

We all have the right not to look at a subject or thread that we are not interested in.

It also saves us having an extra navigation to make with the one board.

So with those two points in mind I vote to keep the site as it is.

Congratulations and a very well done on the two years to all connected with the running of this site, a must for any Burnley FC suporter.

[Turfytop]

It's a football message board just keep the topics to football, simple

[superdimitri]

Shame that people want it to be kept similar, why are people so reluctant to change? oh well.

[South West Claret.]

Shame that people want it to be kept similar, why are people so reluctant to change? oh well.

It’s simply a matter of ones own opinion (which is all they are asking for) in the poll.

[ClaretSteve]

I agree with keeping it as it is, I just ignore any thread I don’t want to read.

Also there is a core group who just stick together and abuse anyone not in their favour, and the problem is some of these people are among the more popular people on this board.

People will have a moan about something someone has said then abuse Ablue on another thread and think it’s fine.

Personally I don’t post that much because I’m poor at grammar, and can’t be bothered with the crap that comes with that.

[Rileybobs]

It’s not like the non-football-related threads are pushing recent football-related threads off the front page so I don’t see the issue. If threads are titled clearly, and they usually are then it’s easy to avoid the threads that aren’t of interest.

The problem with splitting the board is you’ll end up with a split of users spending the majority of their time on one particular side and there’ll be less engagement on all topics as a result.

[Jeffbfc]

Shame that people want it to be kept similar, why are people so reluctant to change? oh well.

Have you never seen the threads on socks on this site.
White with or without a trim. Claret n Blue Hoopped.
It would be in meltdown.

Joking apart it's fine as it is for me.

[Turfytop]

The problem is a lot of football threads you open always descend into a political or religious argument, it needs splitting for me

[bfcjg]

Keep as it is. Some classic threads start as football and end as a debate on the Dali Llama looking at home in the Bridge and other such things. The mods couldn't possibly remove non footy posts from a thread on education etc.
Just make bans longer.

[Jeffbfc]

The problem is a lot of football threads you open always descend into a political or religious argument, it needs splitting for me

True.
But if it starts as football.

[Billy_Bumface]

No issues with the format whatsoever, I enjoy the diversity.
The only problem is the moderation, I fully appreciate it’s a thankless task, but it needs to be much firmer.

[conyoviejo]

Regardless of how many Polls they run,it will be down to one persons decision in the end..

[ClaretAndJew]

I'm only joking by the way. There should be a sarcasm font. Can we incorporate that?

And a font for when we're serious too.

For what it's worth, are we really worrying so much about where we all come to post etc in our free time? I think the forum works just fine, and the abundance of threads and topics and ideas is what makes it great. Change would remove the value from this website I think.

I'm a remainer, so I think it should stay the same.


Oh where did I put my sandals....

[joey13]

What ever the result , I think there should be another vote

[FactualFrank]

70% so far, don't want it splitting entirely into a football/non-football section, which is pretty conclusive.

[Jeffbfc]

I'm only joking by the way. There should be a sarcasm font. Can we incorporate that?



Oh where did I put my sandals....

Thought you was. Sandles are next to the pin. Better put that back in also.

[atlantalad]

Simple - just present posters with ability to place a small football icon next to title of discussion covering purely football, a god next to religion, a rossette next to politics, a pint glass next to booze, a rolling pin for conversations about t'other half, etc, etc , just like emoji's.

[bobinho]

I like this forum very much.

The only meaningful change I would see is managing a little better the closure of threads. They just disappear! Why not just remove the offending thread (s) explain why it was removed and then lock it? Doing this may just educate the person responsible for the closure as to whats acceptable and what isn't. Hardly anyone has the same moral filter, so expecting everyone to know whats acceptable and what isn't doesn't work all the time.

More mods may help.

Also like the idea of a sin-bin sticky thread that names the banned/suspended, why, and for how long.

Anyway, I voted for Footy/Non-footy sections. But if it doesn't happen, i'll not be fussed. Like I say, I like it here.

[holdyourfire]

Have you never seen the threads on socks on this site.
White with or without a trim. Claret n Blue Hoopped.
It would be in meltdown.

Joking apart it's fine as it is for me.

Hooped,you buffoon.

[Jeffbfc]

Hooped,you buffoon.

Phone predictive text you arse.
But yes buffoon.

[Bfc]

Split the ones using FOUL language, or implying the same, by manipulating the use of asterisks. To me it spoils some very good threads on a variety of subjects. Because the responder doesn't agree with the opening thread, usually late in the evening, after a session on the beer, they turn to using swear words to get their point across. In fact using foul mouthed swearwords on the forum should be banned full stop

[ClaretAndJew]

Split the ones using FOUL language, or implying the same, by manipulating the use of asterisks. To me it spoils some very good threads on a variety of subjects. Because the responder doesn't agree with the opening thread, usually late in the evening, after a session on the beer, they turn to using swear words to get their point across. In fact using foul mouthed swearwords on the forum should be banned full stop

What's wrong with swearing?

Who will be the authority on what swearing is?

Is "damn" a swear word? And if not, where is the line.. crap? ********? ****?

"Swear" words are part of language and should be used as seen fit by whomever. Name calling is a different kettle of fish mind, though I'm not one to get easily offended by stuff.

[jedi_master]

Create a sub forum that trolls like Saxo can post in to their hearts content (there only), then if people feel the need to engage, it’s held in one easy to avoid place. Call it the Boiler Room.

Joking aside after much thought I think I would actually prefer it to stay as it is. A lot of the threads which descend into arguments/political commentary start off very interesting, if I decide to then back out I can do so - nobody is forced to read these things.

My only issue with this message board is what it has always been, even on Clarets Mad all the way back to 2002 when I first posted - I don’t enjoy or see the need to include opposition fans who are here for one purpose only. If they are starting fair debate, contributing in the correct manner etc (as loads have, rejected the Sunderland fan as an example) then that’s brilliant. Over the years though we have had characters like Saxo, Jordan12Rhodes and Nifkin who’s sole purpose has been to antagonise. This happens on football threads which means the discussion we are all here for (in the main) sometimes gets temporarily destroyed by one of them as the thread becomes a battleground.

Whatever people’s problems with this board though, it is one of the most interesting and thought provoking forums on the Internet, and it would be a shame to lose some of what creates that by segregating entire genres of threads.

[cutsy123]

Fine as it is

[Spiral]

Get rid of the swear filter altogether.

[Spiral]

We could do with a bit of claret down the side bars, too. Feels like I'm reading a NHS pamphlet.

Nudge theory:

Nudge theory (or nudge) is a concept in behavioural science, political theory and economics which proposes positive reinforcement and indirect suggestions to try to achieve non-forced compliance to influence the motives, incentives and decision making of groups and individuals. The claim is that nudges are at least as effective, if not more effective, than direct instruction, legislation, or enforcement.

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Could perhaps encourage participation in more football-related topics, and the gentle remind that we're all Burnley fans might increase civility.

I promise you, I'm not talking out my arse. The man who brought the theory to prominence is a professor of behavioural science and economics, and won the 2017 Nobel Prize in economics.

[TheFamilyCat]

I doubt this would be possible but could every new thread be approved by a mod before it can be seen (like some newspaper comments, product reviews etc).

It wouldn't solve all the bickering on threads but would ensure those posted deliberately to provoke a squabble, duplicate threads, fishing trips etc would never be seen.

[starting_11]

I've changed my mind.

After reading seemingly innocuous threads turning to petty tit for tat... close the ******* board down!!!

[piston broke]

No change from me.

I try and use the board as if I'm talking to a mate down the pub. Therefore all subjects are relevant and sometimes he is a dickhead so please don't ban swearing.

I use the like button as an agree, at times, so would use a dislike button as a disagree but note Frank's point earlier about this is possibly technically a problem.

Note the posts about colour coding but if it is non-footie could the poster not start the thread title with--POLITICS, TRAVEL, QUIZ or whatever. It would then be obvious to all.

CT, the thread that appears every match is "Match Streams". As this gets the same replies most matches could it not be made a sticky with the usual suspects at the top and folk could add extras as they arise?

Thanks to all the guys behind the forum for their hard work.

[agreenwood]

Shame all the people who have left/rarely visit because the board is so clogged with (sometimes very petty) political threads probably won’t see this vote.

[superdimitri]

Shame all the people who have left/rarely visit because the board is so clogged with (sometimes very petty) political threads probably won’t see this vote.

I think this is a very valid point and something that I have considered before too, apart from the occasional bullying you see here, some of the stuff posted in those threads clearly puts a lot of people off.

Every claret I speak to about the messageboard always says the same thing, the amount of non-topical crap posted on here puts them off.

Of course if you vote now, the vote doesn't include those who have left who would have maybe voted the other way before they did.

People will often say, if you don't like the thread title, don't click on it, but likewise, what harm does it have having those threads in a different section? Those who wish to browse in that section for those threads still can.

[boyyanno]

I'm in the remain camp. I used the other site back in the day and I like the diverse threads on here. It doesn't annoy me in the slightest if I click on a thread and it's not what I expect, sometimes it's worth the read and somtimes it's not.

I mainly come here for football, but I partly come here because I'm a claret (like everyone else) and love hearing different people's opinions on us etc etc. After using this site for a long time you start to feel like you know posters and it's nice to see people's opinions who you may respect or disrespect on other subjects.

Keep it as it is, but tighter control on posters who sling abuse.

[Bfcboyo]

My other vote is instead of totally banning people send them to an isolated chat area for a ban period to cool off and counsel them on how to be better people.

[ClaretMoffitt]

Nothing wrong with it as it is.

This forum is a diverse wealth of discussion and should absolutely remain as so.

I see hundreds of opinions I don't like on here across all kinds of subjects. That's part of the reason I come on here at all, why turn it into an echo chamber?

[Bfcboyo]

Nothing wrong with it as it is.

Th0is forum is a diverse wealth of discussion and should absolutely remain as so.

I see hundreds of opinions I don't like on here across all kinds of subjects. That's part of the reason I come on here at all, why turn it into an echo chamber?

into a what?

[starting_11]

An echo-co-co-co-co chamber!

[claret59]

When referring to religious topics it is usually one-way traffic. Viz. An attack of some sort. I recall quite recently a twisted thread attacking Jehovah's Witnesses with posters queuing up to join in, much of it quite nasty. I am not a JW but there is surely a need for topics that are offensive not to be given space. I assume that among the Claret supporters there are some JW's but there was no respect shown.
A few posters make an argument for allowing swearing ( and I include blasphemy ,) on here because that is the sort of language used at the pub! Really ? Even if true there is a world of difference between hearing the language in public and reading it. The first is often uncontrollable , the latter does not have to be used. How someone can sit at a key board and deliberately type out swear words is beyond me.
I vote for splitting political and religious topics from the football side of things.

[Claret-On-A-T-Rex]

If there was a football board and an "other" board, we'd finally have a clear choice where people could just stay off that board completely and talk about footy if that's what they wanted.
Doesn't seem like it would take much and one poster on here is right, some people have already had enough and gone away before this chance to vote.