Count Dankula guilty for telling a joke

Socrates · Post by **Socrates** » Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:56 pm

Greenmile wrote:he's one of the best comedians of all time on my opinion (fwiw).

Of all time?

All time?

All?

Time?

NRC · Post by **NRC** » Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:21 pm

I logged on to UTC to see what was going on..... got halfway down this thread, commented this, then signed off....

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:29 pm

Damo wrote:It's nice to see the left onside with this one.

Probably as the offended party are Jewish people

lol. what?

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Tue Mar 20, 2018 8:52 pm

An attempt at irony, I assume but I thought the latest slur aimed at "the left" - all of 'em, I'm guessing, is that they are anti-Jewish.
We'll be generous and assume that's the case and he's just made a balls - up of it.

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Tue Mar 20, 2018 11:52 pm

Sidney1st wrote:It took the police/intelligence service years to nail Hamza and then Choudary due to how they worded it.
Choudary was caught with the help of a secret recording I think.

No, that's not what happened.

They "caught" Hamaza with what he was saying in public spaces. It took years to obtain the legal right to extradite him. They always knew what he had said.

The Muslim terrorist (who you may be thinking of) called Anjem Choudary is actually a British national who is currently in jail having arranged for protests by racist Islamist groups and calling, amongst other things, for the Pope to be killed. The crime he is currently serving time for is having called for asking UK citizens to support ISIS and their murderous regime in the Middle East. He cannot be deported anywhere having been born in the UK.

The other Islamist whose case you are possibly conflating was Abu Qatada whom it took 11+ years to deport, despite him not being a British citizen and despite foreign convictions for terorism. He was later cleared of these charges which is to the credit of Jordanian law but undermines our determination not to deport him for nearly a decade.

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Then of course there's this Count Dankula fellow who taught his dog to raise it's paw. He's now on the same page.

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Tue Mar 20, 2018 11:59 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:I'm on the side of people who are offended by white people who think its 1970 to be honest.
Simple solution is for white people to act like its 2018 and these problems just don't exist.

There is not a simple solution to race relations thought, particularly not 'solutions' which are inherently raicst within themselves (ie. "if white people do this then everything will be OK" and NO solution to a complex problem will be a single thing.

Like so much on the internet, your post is an empty aphorism, taking advantage our of innate instinct to form binary opinions.

Edit - there is a massive increase in people (particularly on Twitter) claiming that all kinds of problems are down to "white people" or, even more often, "white men". If we are to tackle racism head-on and call out all racism then this example needs to be called out too and included in every other example of racism.

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Wed Mar 21, 2018 6:42 am

And what colour are the ruling elite - the decision/change - makers - of this country ?
Oh.

Greenmile · Post by **Greenmile** » Wed Mar 21, 2018 6:56 am

Rowls wrote:...there is a massive increase in people (particularly on Twitter) claiming that all kinds of problems are down to "white people" or, even more often, "white men". If we are to tackle racism head-on and call out all racism then this example needs to be called out too and included in every other example of racism.

Of course Rowls wants us to call out the horrific everyday racism against white men, but funny how he seems a bit more equivocal (to be generous) when it comes to calling out racism against black people, as demonstrated by his contributions to the following threads.

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ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Wed Mar 21, 2018 7:04 am

Funny how it ALWAYS comes back to racism in these threads.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Wed Mar 21, 2018 7:09 am

Maybe don't be racist then.

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Wed Mar 21, 2018 7:13 am

Greenmile wrote:Of course Rowls wants us to call out the horrific everyday racism against white men

This is another dangerous modern precedence too - it's now apparently OK to be overtly racism against 'white men'. The irony of statements like the above one never seems to evident to the people who post it.

We should challenge racism wherever we find it.

Greenmile · Post by **Greenmile** » Wed Mar 21, 2018 7:18 am

Rowls wrote:This is another dangerous modern precedence too - it's now apparently OK to be overtly racism against 'white men'. The irony of statements like the above one never seems to evident to the people who post it.

We should challenge racism wherever we find it.

On your first para, it’s to do with power structures why racism against white people (in this country) is not as bad as racism against black or Asian people. It’s a bit complicated, though, and I’m already late for work.

On your second, why don’t you then? I only ever see you denouncing people who call out racism (as in the threads I linked earlier) or complaining about racism against white people.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Wed Mar 21, 2018 7:21 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:Maybe don't be racist then.

I try but I just really hate white people.

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Wed Mar 21, 2018 7:35 am

Greenmile wrote:On your first para, it’s to do with power structures why racism against white people (in this country) is not as bad as racism against black or Asian people. It’s a bit complicated, though, and I’m already late for work.

On your second, why don’t you then? I only ever see you denouncing people who call out racism (as in the threads I linked earlier) or complaining about racism against white people.

I do challenge racism whenever I find it and your first paragraph is a pile of plop.

I'm not surprised you're struggling to justify the remark that racism is "not as bad" if it's racism against white people - it's an indefensible remark and racist in itself.

Have a nice day.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Wed Mar 21, 2018 7:41 am

Rowls wrote: I'm not surprised you're struggling to justify the remark that racism is "not as bad" if it's racism against white people - it's an indefensible remark and racist in itself.

I can think of a few thousand working class girls in old market and mill towns that can attest to that.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:02 am

Just to be make this pretty clear

- the dog gives a nazi salute to the command "Gas the Jews"

is that correct?

4:20 · Post by **4:20** » Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:24 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:Just to be make this pretty clear

- the dog gives a nazi salute to the command "Gas the Jews"

is that correct?

Yes. Sticks his paw out when he wants a treat, was then trained to do this with the phrase. It was a joke.

Should the man be prosecuted for doing this?

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:29 am

So you think "Gas the Jews" is a joke

Just checking here. Because I'm struggling with this.

I have to admit the dog doing a seig heil isn't funny but its fairly harmless, but to the command "Gas the Jews"?

Thats the issue I'm afraid

4:20 · Post by **4:20** » Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:47 am

Its a non issue. Its not a threat, its a joke. Its dark, its ironic, its everything you can imagine apart from it being a threat. It is in itself, fantasy, a work of fiction. It has no power. It says nothing which should warrant an intervention and persecution by a state. It has been manipulated in court, taken out of context and has had a narrative attached to it which is the complete opposite to what it actually is. Your rants on this thread about the current year, white people, 1970._. Complete ******** and irrelevant, well, should be anyway. Unfortunately abnd worryingly, theyve been manufactured to have weight. This isnt a partisan issue.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Mar 21, 2018 9:21 am

Its not a joke though is it?

The dog doing a hitler salute, is a joke but in bad taste.

Doing it to a command of "Gas the Jews" is crossing the line.

Should he be prosecuted? I'm not sure to be honest as its not really anything something I know enough about.

And I'm sorry, but it is 2018, not 1970 and white people need to grow some balls and move with the times rather than whinging about absolutely everything that changes*

*not all, just a sizeable chunk.

Chobulous · Post by **Chobulous** » Wed Mar 21, 2018 9:23 am

It's student humour, childish, puerile and something that people grow out of. I don't for one minute believe that this individual is motivated in this instance by anything other than that and even if he does have other motivations so what. The only reason this has even come to the public's attention is because of a ridiculous prosecution. If he is a raving Nazi then this prosecution has given him a public platform, but let's be honest he isn't. He is just an idiot who's brand of humour is basic to say the least.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Mar 21, 2018 9:27 am

I guess we will find out if it ever goes to court if he's a massive nazi or not.

I have to be honest, anyone who teaches their pet to Seig Heil on the command of "Gas the Jews" probably is*

*or has a sense of humour that is a lot broader than mine, and mine is pretty broad to be honest

Chobulous · Post by **Chobulous** » Wed Mar 21, 2018 9:33 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:Its not a joke though is it?

The dog doing a hitler salute, is a joke but in bad taste.

Doing it to a command of "Gas the Jews" is crossing the line.

Should he be prosecuted? I'm not sure to be honest as its not really anything something I know enough about.

And I'm sorry, but it is 2018, not 1970 and white people need to grow some balls and move with the times rather than whinging about absolutely everything that changes*

*not all, just a sizeable chunk.

You see there you go again with this white people mantra. In Myanmar we are seeing ethnic cleansing against the Rohyngya population going on as we speak. All across the Middle East minority groups are being butchered by whoever happens to be in control at any one time, in particular the treatment of the Yazidis by ISIS. We have seen genocide on an industrial scale in Rwanda, Cambodia, Bosnia, the list goes on.
White Europeans have been responsible for many wrongs in the colonial past, but that's where it is, in the past. Racism is rife in this world, and it's being used to murder huge numbers of people. You need to get a bit of perspective.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Mar 21, 2018 9:41 am

"You need to get a bit of perspective"

ladies and gentlemen, I'm done here. Nothing will ever beat that.

4:20 · Post by **4:20** » Wed Mar 21, 2018 9:47 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:Its not a joke though is it?

The dog doing a hitler salute, is a joke but in bad taste.

Doing it to a command of "Gas the Jews" is crossing the line.

Should he be prosecuted? I'm not sure to be honest as its not really anything something I know enough about.

And I'm sorry, but it is 2018, not 1970 and white people need to grow some balls and move with the times rather than whinging about absolutely everything that changes*

*not all, just a sizeable chunk.

You're ridiculously unaware and i am 100%right to say this, it has absolutely nothing to do with your story about 1970, 2018, white people, growing balls, whinging, change, crossing the line(Wtf), bad taste, people who need to change. Blah blah blah. Vapid. It is about a universal right which should be in place until the sun blows up. True equality and the right to speak and express words and the right to cause offence. Take this away from people and we are absolutely ****** in so many facets of life.

Chobulous · Post by **Chobulous** » Wed Mar 21, 2018 9:48 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:"You need to get a bit of perspective"

ladies and gentlemen, I'm done here. Nothing will ever beat that.

Excellent exit - stage left. Snagglepuss couldn't have done it better.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Mar 21, 2018 9:50 am

Look at what you posted, and look at what you ended it with.

I mean, if you genuinely posted that thinking people are not going to take the ****..........

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Wed Mar 21, 2018 9:51 am

I honestly can't tell if the people making sweeping statements about white people are trolling or not when they claim not to be racist.
I expect stupidity like this from the angry guy a few posts up, and from Charlie but the rest of you I thought were more mentally stable

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Wed Mar 21, 2018 9:53 am

There’s a video of David Baddiel and Ricky Gervais discussing this last year on youtube.

Worth a watch.

4:20 · Post by **4:20** » Wed Mar 21, 2018 9:53 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:I guess we will find out if it ever goes to court if he's a massive nazi or not.

I have to be honest, anyone who teaches their pet to Seig Heil on the command of "Gas the Jews" probably is*

*or has a sense of humour that is a lot broader than mine, and mine is pretty broad to be honest

Probably is? No, he isn't.
What comes after the * is correct, still some broadening to be done though.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Mar 21, 2018 9:55 am

4.20

I think you are wrong not to link it to the spike of white people whinging about stuff they can no longer get away with.

You think its an attack on freedom of expression.

As long as you are fine with Muslims teaching their dogs to wave ISIS flags when they say "kill the whites", then you have a point.

Thats funny isn't it? Its meant as a joke isn't it?

Walton · Post by **Walton** » Wed Mar 21, 2018 9:56 am

I don't get this mention of 'student humour'. This bloke is 30.

Chobulous · Post by **Chobulous** » Wed Mar 21, 2018 9:57 am

I know what I posted, I thought about it a lot. Your view of life is that most white people (not all, just a sizeable chunk) are living in a 1970s bubble where casual racism is still acceptable and any criticism of them is racist against them. You have decided that a childish joke is the ultimate racist crime and we are all too cowardly to face up to it. Hence I question your perspective. At which point you flounce away.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Mar 21, 2018 9:58 am

Probably is? No, he isn't.

How do you know he isn't?

Just because he's not parading around in a Waffen-SS uniform and looks a bit of a dick does not mean he's not a Nazi.

4:20 · Post by **4:20** » Wed Mar 21, 2018 10:02 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:4.20

I think you are wrong not to link it to the spike of white people whinging about stuff they can no longer get away with.

You think its an attack on freedom of expression.

As long as you are fine with Muslims teaching their dogs to wave ISIS flags when they say "kill the whites", then you have a point.

Thats funny isn't it? Its meant as a joke isn't it?

Jesus christ, white people are not 'getting away with stuff'

Im fine with any joke. Im not fine with threats of violence.

The two are miles apart when given context.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Mar 21, 2018 10:06 am

You think my comment meant "I flounced away"

You posted this

You see there you go again with this white people mantra. In Myanmar we are seeing ethnic cleansing against the Rohyngya population going on as we speak. All across the Middle East minority groups are being butchered by whoever happens to be in control at any one time, in particular the treatment of the Yazidis by ISIS. We have seen genocide on an industrial scale in Rwanda, Cambodia, Bosnia, the list goes on.
White Europeans have been responsible for many wrongs in the colonial past, but that's where it is, in the past. Racism is rife in this world, and it's being used to murder huge numbers of people.

And then, THEN, you posted this

You need to get a bit of perspective.

My telling the likes of ringo and others that they need to maybe move with the times is worthy of a reply like that?

Someone needs some perspective here and it isn't me.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Mar 21, 2018 10:07 am

What is the problem 4.20

Its all #freespeech isn't it?

Thats what all this is about isn't it?

Isn't it?

4:20 · Post by **4:20** » Wed Mar 21, 2018 10:07 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:How do you know he isn't?

Just because he's not parading around in a Waffen-SS uniform and looks a bit of a dick does not mean he's not a Nazi.

A) Because ive been following him for years and have never heard him say anything that would mean hes a nazi.
B) he says he isnt a nazi and has a whole online catalogue to prove this, as well im guessing his offline life too.

Saing 'gas the jews' to a dog doesnt signify nazism, given the context, quite the opposite.

4:20 · Post by **4:20** » Wed Mar 21, 2018 10:12 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:What is the problem 4.20

Its all #freespeech isn't it?

Thats what all this is about isn't it?

Isn't it?

Yes, i have a problem with people being convicted for the crime of telling a joke.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Mar 21, 2018 10:15 am

Right, so lets wind this back to make it all about free speech and nothing else.

Should he be prosecuted for this?

No, I don't think so

Should this be allowed under free speech

Yes, but then you have to accept that you are going to see stuff that you don't want to see, like I posted (which is something I also think is horrible btw)

Is that an acceptable way to end this with a vague agreement?

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Mar 21, 2018 10:16 am

Yes, i have a problem with people being convicted for the crime of telling a joke.

He's not been convicted though has he, and I don't think he can be to be honest*

* has he been convicted btw? I genuinely thought he'd just been arrested

4:20 · Post by **4:20** » Wed Mar 21, 2018 10:55 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:Right, so lets wind this back to make it all about free speech and nothing else.

Should he be prosecuted for this?

No, I don't think so

Should this be allowed under free speech

Yes, but then you have to accept that you are going to see stuff that you don't want to see, like I posted (which is something I also think is horrible btw)

Is that an acceptable way to end this with a vague agreement?

Yes, exactly this. Im sorry for getting angry and apologise for my insulting language towards you, it wasn't necessary .

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Mar 21, 2018 10:57 am

Ditto.

I just wanted to be clear that this was about free speech for all and not some nazi thing hiding under something else.

Thank you btw for getting me to look a bit more into this.

4:20 · Post by **4:20** » Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:00 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:He's not been convicted though has he, and I don't think he can be to be honest*

* has he been convicted btw? I genuinely thought he'd just been arrested

He was convicted yesterday and is awaiting sentencing which has been delayed until april, 24th i think, maybe wrong on the date. Why the delay, i dont know, he was due to be sentenced yesterday but theyve moved it to the future.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:01 am

Cheers

its just starting to replace the "fish frolics" on my twitter timeline so I'll have more of a gander.

Walton · Post by **Walton** » Wed Mar 21, 2018 1:31 pm

So what's the joke about getting a dog to sieg heil when it hears 'gas the jews'?

Is it supposed to be funny?

timshorts · Post by **timshorts** » Wed Mar 21, 2018 1:39 pm

Walton wrote:So what's the joke about getting a dog to sieg heil when it hears 'gas the jews'?

Is it supposed to be funny?

The dickish bit was the choice of the command.

If the dog had done it at the command "Margaret Thatcher", I suspect I'd have laughed a lot.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Mar 21, 2018 1:42 pm

Its not funny at all, its very offensive.

But, and this is where I sort of got to in the end, it is a free speech issue (certainly wouldn't want a precedent set that religous groups for example could exploit)

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Wed Mar 21, 2018 1:57 pm

Rowls wrote:I do challenge racism whenever I find it and your first paragraph is a pile of plop.

I'm not surprised you're struggling to justify the remark that racism is "not as bad" if it's racism against white people - it's an indefensible remark and racist in itself.

Have a nice day.

No you don't.
When it's racism against white people you challenge the racism, absolutely. But when it's racism against non-white people you challenge whether it's racism.

Walton · Post by **Walton** » Wed Mar 21, 2018 2:03 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Its not funny at all, its very offensive.

But, and this is where I sort of got to in the end, it is a free speech issue (certainly wouldn't want a precedent set that religous groups for example could exploit)

Does free speech protect playing, over and over again, a clip saying 'gas the jews' ?

Surely playing something like that constitutes hate speech, in the same way a radical muslim extremist playing recorded death threats etc would be.