Blue Passports to be made in France

[RingoMcCartney]

Ringo’s week goes from bad to worse.
Poor chap.

This week has seen

Employment at record levels.!

Manufacturing purchasing managers order books have seen their 9th consecutive monthly rise. The most since records began in the 1960s!

75% of the trade deal with the EU complete!

All fabulous news for the country!

And to think that former labour chancellor, claimed that confidence in the UK economy would evaporate over night if we VOTED to Leave (not leave, but just voting to Leave!!)

And former Tory leader David Cameron claiming that just VOTING ( not actually leaving) to Leave would be like putting a nuclear bomb under the economy.

No Bordeaux, my favourite gullible fell for Project Fear's blatent lies, sniping friend. Its been a great week for all patriots and Brexiteers! Where as the likes of yourself and the increasingly resentful, bewildered and thrashing around desperate for some bad news to point at James Obrian, are all crying inside.

Need a tissue!?

[Bacchus]

75% of the trade deal with the EU complete!

You sure about that?

[RingoMcCartney]

The EU procurement rules mean foreign companies can bid.

Once out it's another piece of foreign interference that can be binned, and they'll be British made.

A similar thing happened with British army medals. They too went to a French firm.

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Once out, they'll be made here.

Reasons to be cheerful!

[Bordeauxclaret]

This week has seen

Employment at record levels.!

Manufacturing purchasing managers order books have seen their 9th consecutive monthly rise. The most since records began in the 1960s!

75% of the trade deal with the EU complete!

All fabulous news for the country!

And to think that former labour chancellor, claimed that confidence in the UK economy would evaporate over night if we VOTED to Leave (not leave, but just voting to Leave!!)

And former Tory leader David Cameron claiming that just VOTING ( not actually leaving) to Leave would be like putting a nuclear bomb under the economy.

No Bordeaux, my favourite gullible fell for Project Fear's blatent lies, sniping friend. Its been a great week for all patriots and Brexiteers! Where as the likes of yourself and the increasingly resentful, bewildered and thrashing around desperate for some bad news to point at James Obrian, are all crying inside.

Need a tissue!?

Staying under EU rules though. I can you are furious this week.
Ah well. That’s what you voted for. No point complaining.

[RingoMcCartney]

You sure about that?

No I'm not to be honest. But I was watching Faisal Islam on Sky news and I'm pretty sure that's what he said.

His report had page after page of the deal projected on wall with large swathes of the detail with highlighting pens stroked through the vast majority of of the details that showed just how much had been agreed. Looked like 75% to me. I've no reason to disbelieve him

Listening to obrian on LBC the other day you knew significant progress had been made.

I expected him to absent yesterday and LBC to be broadcasting sombre music on his behalf.

[RingoMcCartney]

Staying under EU rules though. I can you are furious this week.
Ah well. That’s what you voted for. No point complaining.

June 2016. I put a "X" in the box next to Leave.

We're leaving the EU.

No complaints from me old boy.

Where as you!! ...........

[Lancasterclaret]

And staying under EU rules without representation as well.

Its especially good that bit for you I'd have thought.

[RingoMcCartney]

And staying under EU rules without representation as well.

Its especially good that bit for you I'd have thought.

Free to make our own deals during transition.

June 2016. I put a "X" in the box next to Leave.

You keep fighting it lancs, but.

We're leaving the EU.

[Lancasterclaret]

We are going to need too Ringo

750+ EU deals with other countries plus all these new ones.

Poor old Liam Fox is going to die of exhaustion and thats if all of them are as easy as Brexiteers claimed they would be*

*Guess what, they won't be

[Bordeauxclaret]

June 2016. I put a "X" in the box next to Leave.

We're leaving the EU.

No complaints from me old boy.

Where as you!! ...........

Glad to see you are happy staying under EU rules.
Good to know you have seen the light.

[dushanbe]

If we suddenly need to embark on a massive armament program I suspect that there wouldn't be enough British steel, that industry has been driven into the ground hasn't it?

Partly due to high prices.

I think steel was used as a for example of an industry that might have a strategic importance to keep in house.

[Lancasterclaret]

On this forum and other social platforms, I would say approximately 99% of the references to "Blue Passport" that I read come from those to whom leaving the EU is akin to the arrival of The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse. Several have already reared their heads on this thread, as I expected when I opened it. I would also have narrowed the OP down to one of two posters and again, like a well rounded Texan at an all you can eat buffet, they stepped up to the plate

Can I just say that if you want Herts claret to appear on any thread on here or on twitter just mention Blue Passports.

But I'm sure he'll say it not important to him really.

Oh, he has.

[RingoMcCartney]

Glad to see you are happy staying under EU rules.
Good to know you have seen the light.

Light?!

March 2019.

Things get a whole lot brighter!

See you there. I'll bring the Kleenex for you!

Till then, keep remoaning like a good 'en!

Toodle pip for now

[Spijed]

Light?!

March 2019.

Things get a whole lot brighter!

See you there. I'll bring the Kleenex for you!

Till then, keep remoaning like a good 'en!

Toodle pip for now

Ringo, rather selfishly you seem to have this attitude that anyone who voted to remain and as a consequence might suffer from leaving the EU can just lump it!

[HatfieldClaret]

Ringo, rather selfishly you seem to have this attitude that anyone who voted to remain and as a consequence might suffer from leaving the EU can just lump it!

They don't have to lump it, they can like it.

I think that's how the saying goes.....

Seriously though, I look forward to the day when we can all argue about something else.

[Sidney1st]

They don't have to lump it, they can like it.

I think that's how the saying goes.....

Seriously though, I look forward to the day when we can all argue about something else.

Good luck with that one.

If it works out ok, Leavers will want to laugh at remainers.
Same vice versa.

[Bordeauxclaret]

Ringo, rather selfishly you seem to have this attitude that anyone who voted to remain and as a consequence might suffer from leaving the EU can just lump it!

He’s just a little distraught. Probably that he’ll be conscripted to the EU Army that’s he’s convinced himself is happening.
Imagine living your life in such fear of everything. Still, he’s absolute gold dust on here.

[Damo]

Wait, so British jobs will be lost again due to EU legislation, and this is a kick in the teeth to people who voted in favour of Brexit?
Some backwards logic there again from the supposed experts

[DCWat]

That's not the case in DWP, HMRC, MoJ and MoD in the time I've worked in the governmental and commercial industry.

Was this one of the cheap options?

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[halfmanhalfbiscuit]

Got to love the hypocrisy on here from the resident Brexit belmers.

Got to love the word belmer.
Even more so when associated with Brexiteers.

[evensteadiereddie]

I love the desperate need for some on here to pretend that the French being given the job of making our new passports is OK and all part of the great plan and not all humiliating.
Absolute to$$ers.

[halfmanhalfbiscuit]

Wait, so British jobs will be lost again due to EU legislation, and this is a kick in the teeth to people who voted in favour of Brexit?
Some backwards logic there again from the supposed experts

Not backwards logic, it’s just funny, that what has been sort of seen as the flagship for the ‘Brexit beginning’ - isn’t going to be made in the UK.
Why? because the UK doesn’t make anything.

[Paul Waine]

Not many rival passport-making firms around Gateshead for them to go to are there?

Are you refering to new job opportunities for any DLR passport printers?

Surely everyone working in the passport business knows how to travel.

More seriously, they will all have transferable skills and aren't limited just to printing passports.

I heard the DLR guy on R4 this morning. From the way he spoke, in my view DLR were approaching the tender in the wrong way. Seemed as though it was DLR's business to lose - and, whatever else they did, DLR went and lost it.

[Damo]

Remainers superior IQ on show here with all the child like insults

[Damo]

Not backwards logic, it’s just funny, that what has been sort of seen as the flagship for the ‘Brexit beginning’ - isn’t going to be made in the UK.
Why? because the UK doesn’t make anything.

Nobody I know cares a toss about Blue passports.
That goes for remainers or Brexiteers. The only time I ever see it mentioned is on here or on Twitter.
If your Brexiteer friends see it as some sort of flag ship then I can only assume your circle of friends is a bit special

[ElectroClaret]

Hmmm...De LA Rue sound suspiciously foreign.

Although their founders roots lie in the Channel Islands.
So we'll let em off.

Bloody foreigners, coming over here, printing our passports...

[CardyTheClaret]

You're tying yourself in knots Sidney.

Charlatan.

It was a **** joke when you posted the picture, it makes it shitter still that you had to explain it.

[Paul Waine]

I've got to renew my passport in a few weeks time. I guess I'll be carrying a claret passport with European Union on the front cover for the next 10 years. Anyone know if I'll be able to use the EU member passport queues when I'm travelling in EU?

[CardyTheClaret]

Ringo, rather selfishly you seem to have this attitude that anyone who voted to remain and as a consequence might suffer from leaving the EU can just lump it!

A genuine question. Do you know anyone, personally, that has suffered as a result of the leave vote, and how?

[halfmanhalfbiscuit]

A genuine question. Do you know anyone, personally, that has suffered as a result of the leave vote, and how?

Yes Cardy, It affected my children last week.

[CardyTheClaret]

Yes Cardy, It affected my children last week.

You missed the how bit.

[halfmanhalfbiscuit]

You missed the how bit.

English children in a French school.
Suddenly a piece of administration needed to go on a school trip.
I’ve know the teachers for years and they themselves were embarrassed.
Only a small thing, but suddenly my children didn't feel happy due a piece of bureaucracy that has never come up before.

[Sidney1st]

I love the desperate need for some on here to pretend that the French being given the job of making our new passports is OK and all part of the great plan and not all humiliating.
Absolute to$$ers.

Why is it humiliating that the UK put it out to tender and got a better deal than that on offer?

[Sidney1st]

English children in a French school.
Suddenly a piece of administration needed to go on a school trip.
I’ve know the teachers for years and they themselves were embarrassed.
Only a small thing, but suddenly my children didn't feel happy due a piece of bureaucracy that has never come up before.

Was it Brexit related though?
Considering we haven't left yet...

[DCWat]

I’m confused - what impact did an extra bit of admin have on your children’s happiness? Did it stop them going on the trip?

[basil6345789]

To all those scoffing remainers - can't you see that squeezing the last penny out of every contract is not everything? OJEU has brought about this - the same process that resulted in Spaniards taking over the running of Burnley's waste disposal services. Ignoring the consequential costs of such exercises is heads in the sand stuff. You can't keep everything at home every time but you have to make a balanced decision.

[halfmanhalfbiscuit]

I’m confused - what impact did an extra bit of admin have on your children’s happiness? Did it stop them going on the trip?

Because I love my little girls, and no-one, not their friends, or their friends parents of the teachers or the dinner ladies or the school sees them any different from them.
And suddenly they need a Carte de sejour?
As I said, I’ve know the teachers for years and in the end they said just get on the bus

[Sidney1st]

Did it cross your mind to get that done after the vote?

[halfmanhalfbiscuit]

Did it cross your mind to get that done after the vote?

Yes it did.
It was never needed before and it ****** me off that I potentially needed it now. That’s all.

[basil6345789]

Sounds like the French are getting nasty - a very good reason to split.

[Spiral]

Sounds like the French are getting nasty - a very good reason to split.

No they aren't, and no it isn't.

4-0 down at home, exodus of fans on the 80th minute
Away fans begin to sing 'time to go/we can see you sneaking out', etc
"Hmm, sounds like the away fans are getting nasty - a very good reason to leave"

[CardyTheClaret]

Yes it did.
It was never needed before and it ****** me off that I potentially needed it now. That’s all.

Any advance on halfmanhalfbiscuit being a bit red faced over a piece of paper?

[Pearcey]

There are l a lot of people on here not understanding the situation. Or, they are just using it to get a bite.

We are following EU rules to the letter on this matter, leaving us no choice but to offer the contract to a French company. France choose to ignore those rules. That’s what France do! Losing work for our own people in situations like this is a big reason why some voted out.

[JohnMcGreal]

This is all hilarious. The only two tangible benefits that the Leave campaign ever came up with have turned to **** in the space of a week.

First we buckle on fisheries, leading to another Partridge-esque moment on the Thames, and now the blue passports that we could have had all along while being in the EU are now set to be made by another company in France.

It really is slapstick stuff. An absolute circus that's fast becoming a national humiliation.

[taio]

This is all hilarious. The only two tangible benefits that the Leave campaign ever came up with have turned to **** in the space of a week.

First we buckle on fisheries, leading to another Partridge-esque moment on the Thames, and now the blue passports that we could have had all along while being in the EU are now set to be made by another company in France.

It really is slapstick stuff. An absolute circus that's fast becoming a national humiliation.

The pending contract award for the blue passports is not humilating to people who understand EU procurement law.

[Lancasterclaret]

De La Rue currently do 80% of their business outside the UK and make 40 countries passports.

Just for information like

[taio]

De La Rue currently do 80% of their business outside the UK and make 40 countries passports.

Just for information like

Why would you think this matters if you also think that public procurement must be based on lowest bid?

[Lancasterclaret]

I don't "think" that Taio, those are the rules and again, like I said, you'd have to have an exceptional reason to spend £100 million more than you need to.

I'm not sure stopping people like me laughing at Brexiteers going mental over this counts to be perfectly honest!

For balance, its worth mentioning as well that Guido Fawkes, the most Brexiteer website going think its a good deal for the UK taxpayer (which it is, because its a £100 million cheaper)

[taio]

I don't "think" that Taio, those are the rules and again, like I said, you'd have to have an exceptional reason to spend £100 million more than you need to.

That's totally wrong as is this:

All government departments have to go with the lowest price (did a bit on procurement whilst in the NHS) unless you've got an amazingly good reason (normally, product doesn't work)

In your days of doing NHS procurement did you not know about most economically advantageous tender? What health services or goods were you actually procuring?

[quoonbeatz]

There are l a lot of people on here not understanding the situation. Or, they are just using it to get a bite.

We are following EU rules to the letter on this matter, leaving us no choice but to offer the contract to a French company. France choose to ignore those rules. That’s what France do! Losing work for our own people in situations like this is a big reason why some voted out.

seems to be a few people getting this wrong. its not about EU rules as the same applies under WTO rules and generally in any trade deals we make, the other side will want to be able to bid for our contracts.

the french are doing things right because they've kept things in-house. they aren't ignoring any rules.

we used to have a state-owned company that made the passports (Security Printing and Systems Limited) but the tories privatised it in 1996.

so if that's one of the reasons people voted out, they've been sold a dud.