Jay rodriguez

MRG · Post by **MRG** » Sun Apr 01, 2018 12:33 am

Imagine if a deal for him to return in the summer was already in place!!

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Sun Apr 01, 2018 8:57 am

Romanticism. Not the player he was, wouldn't improve us now and not worth the wages to BFC.

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Sun Apr 01, 2018 9:01 am

Prefer Rondon

blackburnturfite · Post by **blackburnturfite** » Sun Apr 01, 2018 9:04 am

pushpinpussy wrote:past his best. please dont bring him back

Agree, we have moved on in my opinion.

turfytopper · Post by **turfytopper** » Sun Apr 01, 2018 9:49 am

cricketfieldclarets wrote:What makes me laugh is how much Burnley fans slag Gray off. The man who fired us to promotion, helped keep us up and made us 10 plus million profit. Yet sing the name of an opponent who also left us.

and who I am led to believe turned down an opportunity to return to us last summer. WBA terms were much better. With hindsight, if that was the case it was a poor choice.

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Sun Apr 01, 2018 9:51 am

Obviously spent the surplus on pies

Firthy · Post by **Firthy** » Sun Apr 01, 2018 9:56 am

joey13 wrote:Prefer Rondon

I know some will say he's not that good and in a team which is bottom of the league but he has the skills and right attitude for SD. Best player in a poor team.

Claret Till I Die · Post by **Claret Till I Die** » Sun Apr 01, 2018 9:58 am

Personally I think that he'd be a great fit in the SD team

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Sun Apr 01, 2018 10:21 am

Murger wrote:At his best, he was in the England reckoning. Would absolutely get back to that level under Dyche.

He'd have to sit on the bench based on the current form of Wood and Barnes

MRG · Post by **MRG** » Sun Apr 01, 2018 10:30 am

Spijed wrote:He'd have to sit on the bench based on the current form of Wood and Barnes

We need to stop thinking ‘tin pot’. Brady would have to sit on the bench based on the form of Lennon and Joey, doesn’t mean we should sell him once fit

Papabendi · Post by **Papabendi** » Sun Apr 01, 2018 11:54 am

On a bit more than 70k I believe but making positive noises that he would come and take a cut to do so. He will be doing so anyway if he ends up in the Championship.

Personally on yesterday's showing he is not the player he was but then it is difficult to judge him in a team as poor as that one.

Also felt the reception he was given by the away support was a tad OTT

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sun Apr 01, 2018 11:56 am

turfytopper wrote:and who I am led to believe turned down an opportunity to return to us last summer. WBA terms were much better. With hindsight, if that was the case it was a poor choice.

That's what I heard

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sun Apr 01, 2018 11:58 am

Papabendi wrote:On a bit more than 70k I believe but making positive noises that he would come and take a cut to do so. He will be doing so anyway if he ends up in the Championship.

Personally on yesterday's showing he is not the player he was but then it is difficult to judge him in a team as poor as that one.

Also felt the reception he was given by the away support was a tad OTT

Thanks Papibendi, at least I now know he doesn't want to come back because you said he wants to return.

MT03ALG · Post by **MT03ALG** » Sun Apr 01, 2018 12:06 pm

The reason for singing about Jay was that he was substituted just after we scored our second goal.

Papabendi · Post by **Papabendi** » Sun Apr 01, 2018 12:09 pm

KRBFC wrote:Thanks Papibendi, at least I now know he doesn't want to come back because you said he wants to return.

You wha?

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sun Apr 01, 2018 12:10 pm

MT03ALG wrote:The reason for singing about Jay was that he was substituted just after we scored our second goal.

It wasn't the first time the Burnley fans had sung his name yesterday though was it?

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sun Apr 01, 2018 12:10 pm

Papabendi wrote:You wha?

Take no notice - it's much easier

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sun Apr 01, 2018 4:20 pm

MT03ALG wrote:The reason for singing about Jay was that he was substituted just after we scored our second goal.

Exactly. Why not just enjoy the goal and celebrate our striker who scored it who was about to be subbed himself...

Pre game it was louder than anything else.

Fair enough ex player and a Burnley lad. But its hardly Steve Bull at Wolves who turned down premier league moves, more regular england chances and riches.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sun Apr 01, 2018 4:22 pm

Firthy wrote:I know some will say he's not that good and in a team which is bottom of the league but he has the skills and right attitude for SD. Best player in a poor team.

Absolutely. The entire west brom team and manager shot straight down the tunnel. Rondon stayed on the field after the match and walked to all four corners of the stadium and applauded the fans.

Moorite · Post by **Moorite** » Sun Apr 01, 2018 4:55 pm

I'd have him back just to improve the atmosphere at the Turf. Steven Defour is an example of this and always one of the loudest chants even when he is not on the field!

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Sun Apr 01, 2018 4:56 pm

The reason Burnley fans sing his name is because he's the only home grown talent we have produced in most fans lifetime.
If we ever manage to produce another from the youth ranks (never mind Burnley born) it would probably stop.

jedi_master · Post by **jedi_master** » Sun Apr 01, 2018 7:24 pm

Would be a great addition to the squad due to the options he provides. He can play equally well wide, in the hole or through the middle and that versatility suits the systems we play.

The sentimentality is there but is only a contributing factor to why he would be a good signing in the summer, and presumably he will be available at a decent price.

Milltown1882 · Post by **Milltown1882** » Sun Apr 01, 2018 8:37 pm

One day Burnley fans will get over the Jay Rod love in. It’s embarrassing, the same when he came on against us for Southampton to that song then nearly scored against us, I’ll never see the logic behind it.

He moved on, the fans should move on too instead of recycling his name every time we talk about bringing a new striker in. If he wasn’t from Burnley nobody would constantly go on about a player who is a bang average striker heading for the championship.

Billyblah · Post by **Billyblah** » Sun Apr 01, 2018 8:52 pm

MACCA wrote:Would take him over Vokes at the minute, Vokes looks like he's got very, very heavy boots
Jay looked mobile and took up some good positions
Confused about the song though, we had just scored.

Vokes had played a game over in China, mid week.

jurek · Post by **jurek** » Sun Apr 01, 2018 8:57 pm

Can't see Jay coming back to the Turf at all.
I do think we will bring another striker in especially if one of Vokes or Wells
leaves. Vokes probably has a few years left in him but not necessarily
at Premier League level which is a pity because I do like him and he has given his best for the club.

But he lacks the key attribute that I think and hope Dyche will want to get in
and that is pace. The same I think could be said of Jay Rod too.

Wells probably has more pace than most of our front players but he hasn't
been given a chance really and it is difficult not to think that Dyche doesn't really rate him
for whatever reason. He could well move on in the summer too.

So we could end up with having to recruit another two if they both left.

But don't think Jay Rod is the answer
even under Dyche who has improved virtually everyone he's brought in.

Jakubs Tash · Post by **Jakubs Tash** » Sun Apr 01, 2018 9:14 pm

Billyblah wrote:Vokes had played a game over in China, mid week.

If Vokes wasn’t feeling up to it after his long trip then he shouldn’t have been on the bench.

halfmanhalfbiscuit · Post by **halfmanhalfbiscuit** » Sun Apr 01, 2018 9:32 pm

If we’ve got a fully fit squad I’m not sure he’d make the bench?
But he’s a better player than his current performances. Which can be said for a few of the West Brom team.
Given his current displays, if he did come back it wouldn’t be as a starter.
He’d be a better option than Walters. But that’s about it at the moment. So as a squad player, yes he’d improve us.
As has been said if he wasn’t from Burnley we wouldn’t be talking about him.

Plus he did look bigger. Maybe too much gym work? I don’t think it’s suits his physique or helps his game.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Sun Apr 01, 2018 9:45 pm

jurek wrote: But he lacks the key attribute that I think and hope Dyche will want to get in
and that is pace. The same I think could be said of Jay Rod too.

So we could end up with having to recruit another two if they both left.

But don't think Jay Rod is the answer
even under Dyche who has improved virtually everyone he's brought in.

I don't think as a team we rely on pace. Aside from Lennon we don't seem to have much and i don't think its too much of an issue either.

UpTheClaretsFCBK · Post by **UpTheClaretsFCBK** » Sun Apr 01, 2018 10:15 pm

We’d be stupid to bring him back, one of my friends used to date his Mrs and I have it on good authority that he doesn’t want to live in the area anyway. That could change if it’s that or the Championship I suppose.

I wouldn’t take him back for a number of reasons, he’s past his best at this stage, he doesn’t fit our system or Dyche’s requirements for attitude and work ethic and he’s injury prone as they come.

I also don’t buy into this singing his name and undeserved legend status he seems to have. He scored 31 goals in 105 games for us, he didn’t really feature in our play off winning season, mainly sub appearances. He didn’t feature at all in our debut Premier League season. His best return for us was 15 league goals in the championship. If he wasn’t a Burnley fan people wouldn’t even bat an eyelid at him, he certainly wouldn’t be in the heroes video we play prematch.

Claret Till I Die · Post by **Claret Till I Die** » Sun Apr 01, 2018 10:47 pm

UpTheClaretsFCBK wrote:We’d be stupid to bring him back, one of my friends used to date his Mrs and I have it on good authority that he doesn’t want to live in the area anyway. That could change if it’s that or the Championship I suppose.

I wouldn’t take him back for a number of reasons, he’s past his best at this stage, he doesn’t fit our system or Dyche’s requirements for attitude and work ethic and he’s injury prone as they come.

I also don’t buy into this singing his name and undeserved legend status he seems to have. He scored 31 goals in 105 games for us, he didn’t really feature in our play off winning season, mainly sub appearances. He didn’t feature at all in our debut Premier League season. His best return for us was 15 league goals in the championship. If he wasn’t a Burnley fan people wouldn’t even bat an eyelid at him, he certainly wouldn’t be in the heroes video we play prematch.

"Attitude and work ethic"
Can't remember seeing many forwards filling in at left back yesterday whilst the lad he was covered ventured into our half... But then some people don't notice things like that....

MRG · Post by **MRG** » Sun Apr 01, 2018 11:16 pm

I think that there could be quite a few people on here a little upset come the start of pre-season if they genuinely don’t want Jay back.

Signed - Sealed.... to be delivered!!

mickleoverclaret · Post by **mickleoverclaret** » Mon Apr 02, 2018 12:32 am

Think some people are underselling him a bit on this thread, he got an England cap because he's a very talented footballer. Lost his way a bit with injuries but there's a player in there under a manager who can get him fit and firing, i'd certainly have him over Wells and Walters and he offers something different to Vokes from the bench.

Do think it's extremely weird to be chanting his name just after we've scored a goal though, whether he's getting subbed off or not. And clapping him and singing his name when he's coming on at the Turf to try and score against us? Save it for after the game lads, blimey.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Mon Apr 02, 2018 3:04 am

MRG wrote:I think that there could be quite a few people on here a little upset come the start of pre-season if they genuinely don’t want Jay back.

Signed - Sealed.... to be delivered!!

If thats the case, I would certainly give him my backing and get behind him. Would love him to do well for us. But think we shiuld be looking forward as we move forward personally. Sentimentality will get us nowhere.

hoskinsgoalatswansea · Post by **hoskinsgoalatswansea** » Mon Apr 02, 2018 6:41 am

He's a Man Utd fan, and he supposedly turned down a chance to return to us last summer. I'm not sure what qualifies someone for this 'one of our own' status. Is it just local lads from our youth development that's made pro? Maybe Bacup born Marc Pugh should get the same treatment when Bournemouth come.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Mon Apr 02, 2018 7:31 am

I would be very surprised if he came back. I rate him but listening to someone's comments on him on Saturday doesn't suggest we would be in for him.

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Mon Apr 02, 2018 8:20 am

Billyblah wrote:Vokes had played a game over in China, mid week.

I get that, so Jay would still offer various options, why was Vokes and 3 defenders on the bench?
Because we dont have enough options. It's looking like Wells and Walters wont kick a ball for us again, add Marney and Arfield to the list. I really don't think GKN will be loaned again whilst Vokes has looked a shadow of his last seasons self ( i know a run of games maybe needed ) and Hendrick shouldn't be anywhere near the number 10 role.

If, and i say IF we signed Jay, he can play around 2 or 3 positions quite comfortably, he adds a few different options which at a club like ours we need. IF we get into the Europa, it can be argued you need nearly 2 teams, players that can play multiple positions can be worth their weight in gold.

Also people are saying he's a shadow of his former self ( cough cough ) has everyone forgotten we have our best ever manager who turns stones into diamonds, Jay has ability, world cup squad ability before injury, if there's 1 man out there that can get him fit and firing it is Mr Dyche.

Also add in the Burnley factor, i think that alone will get an extra 10% out of Jay. He would give every ounce of sweat when playing for his home town, and infront of family and friends every week.

If the price is right, I'd have him, and back him all the way.

I think quite a few of our 20's/30's fans maybe a little jelouse or envious of a young local lad making it, and/or have other agendas. ( i remember Jimmy Anderson getting similar digs for supporting Arsenal )
Being a local lad does add to his appeal amongst some fans, and we do want him to do well, but anyone who doesn't think he is an upgrade on Walters, Wells or Vokes in my opinion either had a screw loose, or an axe to grind.

Regards, Kiko

Grumps · Post by **Grumps** » Mon Apr 02, 2018 8:50 am

MACCA... There's plenty of players out there who are an upgrade on wells, Walters or vokes and lots of them are better than Jay rod, granted they didn't go to school in Burnley but would be better additions to the team.

warksclaret · Post by **warksclaret** » Mon Apr 02, 2018 9:10 am

For me the only doubt is whether HE wants to come back. Those people saying he is past his best should have watched him v Liverpool in the recent cup game at Anfield. He was unplayable. The lad still has it and SD would get him playing at his best. As has been said he is very versatile and still great in the air which suits BFC. I believe he went to the wrong club in WBA

Had you asked this Board "shall we go for Jack Cork at £10m" a year ago many would have said no thanks-he's past it.

Sorry guys but Wells and Walters are no longer good enough for the bench and Sam Vokes who has been an immense servant just cannot come on and change games. Sam just does not have the pace and acceleration for the PL

taio · Post by **taio** » Mon Apr 02, 2018 9:22 am

Some harsh comments about Vokes. He's not had so much time on the pitch simply because Barnes in particular and Wood have done so well. Vokes can definitely still do a good job for us.

bfc1984 · Post by **bfc1984** » Mon Apr 02, 2018 9:22 am

Said a couple of weeks ago,when people in the know thought he was ‘coming home’ after a few shandy’s,that he couldn’t clean wood and ash’s boots I stand by that comment more so now.3 I like at Albion the keeper but we don’t need him, evans If mee was to go yes?plus Rondon really like the guy he may not be prolific but he works his nuts off and he has quality.

bfc1984 · Post by **bfc1984** » Mon Apr 02, 2018 9:27 am

I too don’t get all the love in jay gets btw! This wood is a proper goalscorer there rare to come by he could get 20 in a fully fit season,get behind the guy he get’s himself into them posistions to score them almost scruffy goals his awareness is top notch proper goalscorer!

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Mon Apr 02, 2018 10:16 am

bfc1984 wrote:I too don’t get all the love in jay gets btw! This wood is a proper goalscorer there rare to come by he could get 20 in a fully fit season,get behind the guy he get’s himself into them posistions to score them almost scruffy goals his awareness is top notch proper goalscorer!

Woods goal on saturday was great. Due to his persistence and awareness.

cutsy123 · Post by **cutsy123** » Mon Apr 02, 2018 1:04 pm

as long as vokes, barnes or wood have the service, they dont need replacing

scouseclaret · Post by **scouseclaret** » Mon Apr 02, 2018 1:42 pm

If it wasn’t for Jayrod’s Burnley history, I don’t think anyone who watched yesterday’s game would take him ahead of Rondon.

jrgbfc · Post by **jrgbfc** » Mon Apr 02, 2018 2:02 pm

All the people saying Jay isn't good enough who do you realistically expect us to sign? Our European scouting network is either non existent or Dyche just doesn't want to take a gamble. That means we'll be shopping in the domestic market again and the better players will still be out of our price range wages wise, so we have to gamble on good Championship players or players like Jay.

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Mon Apr 02, 2018 2:03 pm

jedi_master wrote:Would be a great addition to the squad due to the options he provides. He can play equally well wide, in the hole or through the middle and that versatility suits the systems we play.

The sentimentality is there but is only a contributing factor to why he would be a good signing in the summer, and presumably he will be available at a decent price.

The extent to which Jay can now play wide depends very much on the extent to which he still has the pace he showed before two years if injury ravaged him. I'm not sure he does, based on Saturday.

As a kid(before the yard of pace that hot him noticed for England came to the fore) he was always likened a bit to Sheringham and that's very much the mould he looked to be developing into on Saturday now that yard of acceleration may have gone. We might be able to use him in that role, but that depends on the extent to which Jay has adapted to his strengths and weaknesses these days and my impression on Saturday- admittedly in a team on horrible run- was that it wasn't obvious he's made that transition yet and he looked a clever but slightly lumbering player at times. It might be that a year in Championship is exactly what he needs to rebuild himself.

claretnproud · Post by **claretnproud** » Mon Apr 02, 2018 2:28 pm

jay rod and ings were ok at the time but neither are world beaters. our strikers are different gravy to both of them. some of our fans need to wake up and smell the coffee.

JPS71 · Post by **JPS71** » Mon Apr 02, 2018 3:42 pm

Not bothered about Jay coming back at all I think he would only be a squad player if he did.
I wouldn't mind Rondon he looked a bit of class & seemed to have a great work ethic compared to most of their team.

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Mon Apr 02, 2018 4:00 pm

If SD wants Jay Rod that would be good enough for me. Think he offers plenty if SD can get him back to his Southampton pre-injury form.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Mon Apr 02, 2018 10:10 pm

JPS71 wrote:Not bothered about Jay coming back at all I think he would only be a squad player if he did.
I wouldn't mind Rondon he looked a bit of class & seemed to have a great work ethic compared to most of their team.

Would definitely take Rondon and would imagine he would be a real crowd favourite if we did get him.