World War 3

Pstotto · Post by **Pstotto** » Thu Apr 12, 2018 2:55 pm

Would Mogadishu be Mogadishu if it were entirely British? No, it would be the Monaco of Africa.

Pstotto · Post by **Pstotto** » Thu Apr 12, 2018 2:56 pm

Would Lagos be a dump if it were entirely European? No, it would be the Netherlands of Africa.

Pstotto · Post by **Pstotto** » Thu Apr 12, 2018 2:58 pm

Would Soweto be a violent township of shanty dwellings if it were a white English suburb? No it would be the Hampstead on the African heath.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Thu Apr 12, 2018 3:02 pm

Just another extension to the dick waving that's been going on between Russia and the USA since WW2...

It's boring and they need to stop dragging the rest of the world into it.

Should Assad be stopped?
Yes, but it's going to be messy.

Should the rest of the middle east be stopped from commiting their horrible acts?
Yes.
Will it happen?
Nope, because it doesn't suit the agendas of the West.

Decades of continuous crappy foreign policy by the West has led us to this point so we're reaping what we sow and innocent people are being murdered.

WW3?
Probably not, just months of continual dick waving.

bfcmik · Post by **bfcmik** » Thu Apr 12, 2018 3:15 pm

Last year WW3 was going to happen because of North Korea. now the NK and US are set for Presidential level talks.

This will go on for a year or so with the Russians and Yanks giving it large with the verbals and the French and UK governments jumping up and down shouting, "Look at me, look at me! .... please look at me."

CrosspoolClarets · Post by **CrosspoolClarets** » Thu Apr 12, 2018 3:17 pm

Some very sensible comments on this thread, the questions posed by VinRouge are the best.

None of us know the answers. The Congo one must be because geopolitics has Congo as a “pawn” and not a “bishop” or a “knight” so it is not worth squabbling over. Unless you are the Chinese who are looking 50 years ahead and buying up assets in Congo to get a foothold.

I am tempted to say that my preference is not to drop any bombs but instead to apply sanctions on Russia, Iran and Syria. I would also be tempted to freeze assets of oligarchs or a form of nationalisation of said assets. The trouble is, it would indiscriminately punish the innocent, including many powerful Russians who oppose Putin and who we need to keep close to. The Iran nuclear deal could be one negotiating point.

My instinct though is that peacefulness and diplomacy will allow these dodgy nations like Russia, China, Iran and others to gain more of a foothold, and in 50-100 years our freedom may be completely at risk. China is trying to build a naval base in Vanuatu, close to Australia, it is naive to think they will be more friendly when they are more powerful. Probably the reverse.

Sadly some leaders like Assad need to be warned to choose their friends more carefully and not to chemically murder people. Are their friends too powerful to “warn” them? Possibly.

Debating this chemical attack on Yom HaShoah, Israel’s Holocaust Remembrance Day, is sadly ironic.

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Thu Apr 12, 2018 3:38 pm

RocketLawnChair wrote:All well and good but you cannot let tyrants get away with breaking international law because what you describe initially will happen globally anyway if they continue to go on unchallenged. Nobody wants a War I would think that's pretty obvious and everything should be done that can avoid that scenario but sometimes avenues become exhausted when dealing with these people.

I agree with you entirely. Something should be done and it is down to politicians to try to work something out, but a potential risk of the superpowers going head-to-head is NOT the way forward. May's sabre rattling is not being done out of any real consideration for those who are suffering, it is more political points scoring. Unfortunately the world is, and always has been, run by people who would have thousands or even millions die for what is nothing other than personal gain and the idea, long mooted, that people who seek power are the very ones who shouldn't have it has never been more true. Putin is a power-crazed man and may stop at nothing to save face. Trump is just a lunatic full stop. May is starting to get that look on her face that Thatcher got toward the end and I don't think she can be trusted to make a logical judgement. Assad is, on the face of it, quite mad and will definitely stop at nothing. I could go on but the basic point is we must not let these idiots lead us into a conflict that could so easily get out of control.
That is just the human and social cost. The other thing is can we allow yet another British government (and I include Blair in this criticism as well despite me being a Labour supporter) lead us into yet another unwinnable war at whatever ridiculous cost financially?
The middle east will NEVER be at rest, it seems to be the very nature of the region and I'm not sure why, it could be social or religious or more probably a combination but either way it is a region that doesn't seem to have had peace for hundreds of years.
There are peaceful and/or political ways of solving this, there must be, but firing shots at an enemy that has an ally as powerful as Russia, who themselves have an unstable leader, is not and cannot be the answer.
War is not what it used to be. Up until the end of the second world war it could, to a degree, be contained, but with the weapons that now exist no-one in the world is safe.

ClaretinMyBlood · Post by **ClaretinMyBlood** » Thu Apr 12, 2018 4:01 pm

Pstotto wrote:Gaza and California, what's the difference? The people.

What's the difference? I've never seen California turn up with a fishing rod and some cooked chicken to help a fugitive murderer.

Pstotto · Post by **Pstotto** » Thu Apr 12, 2018 7:15 pm

I suggest nuking Nagasaki and Hiroshima again, otherwise it's only another few years down the line to the next Pearl Harbour/911.

moaninclaret · Post by **moaninclaret** » Thu Apr 12, 2018 7:36 pm

Bloody typical, our beloved clarets on the brink of Europe and our country on the brink of ww3, and you can bet your shirt if we do qualify for Europe, we will be drawn against some Russian team deep in the heart of Siberia, which be be impossible to get to unless were equipped with a sled and a pack of Huskys, that is unless some maniac presses the button, Mrs May keep out of it and let the super powers argue the toss, we are closer to Russia than the Americans and a prime target for Putin, GULP !!!!

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Apr 12, 2018 7:44 pm

Pstotto wrote:I suggest nuking Nagasaki and Hiroshima again, otherwise it's only another few years down the line to the next Pearl Harbour/911.

Why are you even on here? Don't you have a White House to run?

Pstotto · Post by **Pstotto** » Thu Apr 12, 2018 8:15 pm

I DO, you're right but one has to test the grassroots feeling and what's going down.

Bfcboyo · Post by **Bfcboyo** » Thu Apr 12, 2018 9:20 pm

Blackrod wrote:I've supported some military action in the past. I do not support this as it cannot end well. There has to be a diplomatic solution and if not this should not be spearheaded by the US with the UK in support. I'm really becoming quite disillusioned with Theresa May.

Fully agree.

Inchy · Post by **Inchy** » Fri Apr 13, 2018 6:35 am

Sidney1st wrote:Always happy to help genuine refugees where we can, provided a proper process is in place to determine things like age, eligibility etc.

Not sure why age matters?

If your house has been bombed I’m not sure you should go picking through the rubble to find your birth certificate

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Apr 13, 2018 8:35 am

I fully support a diplomatic solution to this

But there have been eight (EIGHT) attempts to solve Syria in Geneva on peace talks with all sides involved.

And that has included a tact acknowledgement from the West that Assad effectively can stay in power.

Be interesting to see what the next diplomatic move will be.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Fri Apr 13, 2018 11:34 am

Inchy wrote:Not sure why age matters?

If your house has been bombed I’m not sure you should go picking through the rubble to find your birth certificate

Age matters when working out how to deal with said refugee.
Unless you're ignoring the news, many of the last bunch of alleged child refugees were in fact adults.
Several of us on here pointed it out only to be castigated by the usual dicks for being racists or heartless etc.

So age does matter to ensure refugee receives appropriate treatment.

Inchy · Post by **Inchy** » Fri Apr 13, 2018 11:46 am

Sidney1st wrote:Age matters when working out how to deal with said refugee.
Unless you're ignoring the news, many of the last bunch of alleged child refugees were in fact adults.
Several of us on here pointed it out only to be castigated by the usual dicks for being racists or heartless etc.

So age does matter to ensure refugee receives appropriate treatment.

Yeah but I am saying those willing to bomb should be willing to take in the refugees. The age issue was because the uk gov said they would take in kids and some adults slipped in.

I’m saying if we bomb Syria we should take in the refugees regardless of age.

Inchy · Post by **Inchy** » Fri Apr 13, 2018 11:48 am

Also there is no way to tell someone’s age unless you do some unpleasant medical examines which would seem harsh if that person had just had their arm blown off

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Fri Apr 13, 2018 12:16 pm

Yeah we should take them in, but like I said, we need to do the best we can to check ages to ensure they get the correct aid and treatment.

I'm aware there are various methods to determine age, but currently they rely on someone doing it visually and deciding, which let's be honest is a pretty crap way of doing it.

Bfcboyo · Post by **Bfcboyo** » Fri Apr 13, 2018 6:26 pm

Inchy wrote:Yeah but I am saying those willing to bomb should be willing to take in the refugees. The age issue was because the uk gov said they would take in kids and some adults slipped in.

I’m saying if we bomb Syria we should take in the refugees regardless of age.

Wont work we would need to free up some space and money first.

I have never liked the Welsh mind!

Vino blanco · Post by **Vino blanco** » Fri Apr 13, 2018 6:49 pm

Don't normally post on political matters, but for what it's worth, here's my fourpenneth. We shouldn't bomb Syria nor should we take in any refugees, let them sort it out themselves. Whom would we bomb anyway, the naughty Mr Assad or the very naughty Islamists? Why do we, as a nation, have to have influence on the world stage when it comes to military interventions? What about Mutti Merkel, leader of the richest and economically strongest nation in Europe, why doesn't she get her forces involved? The whole thing is a mess, best keep out of it, though by all means support the useless United Nations.

Inchy · Post by **Inchy** » Fri Apr 13, 2018 9:11 pm

Sidney1st wrote:Yeah we should take them in, but like I said, we need to do the best we can to check ages to ensure they get the correct aid and treatment.

I'm aware there are various methods to determine age, but currently they rely on someone doing it visually and deciding, which let's be honest is a pretty crap way of doing it.

Did we need to determine the age of Kosovo’s refugees?

The only reason you would want to tell someone’s age is if the gov said “we are only taking kids”, which they did recently. If we bomb Syria we should take refugees regardless of age

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Apr 13, 2018 9:16 pm

Inchy wrote:Did we need to determine the age of Kosovo’s refugees?

The only reason you would want to tell someone’s age is if the gov said “we are only taking kids”, which they did recently. If we bomb Syria we should take refugees regardless of age

We should take refugees regardless of age anyway.

Inchy · Post by **Inchy** » Fri Apr 13, 2018 9:22 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:We should take refugees regardless of age anyway.

But I read in the dailymail that adult Syrians are terrorists and likely gang pedos

deanothedino · Post by **deanothedino** » Fri Apr 13, 2018 9:23 pm

Woodleyclaret wrote:Nobody wins a nuclear war.Whats the point of being top dog when theres no one left alive.
We need to keep well out of Syria and leave the posturing to Trump and Putin.

The fact nobody wins a nuclear war is the reason we have nuclear weapons. They're just insurance and nobody is about to start throwing nukes around over Syria.

conyoviejo · Post by **conyoviejo** » Fri Apr 13, 2018 9:24 pm

Inchy wrote:But I read in the dailymail that adult Syrians are terrorists and likely gang pedos

Don't believe all you read,I once read Hitler was misunderstood many years ago..

Inchy · Post by **Inchy** » Fri Apr 13, 2018 9:26 pm

conyoviejo wrote:Don't believe all you read,I once read Hitler was misunderstood many years ago..

Daily mail as well?

conyoviejo · Post by **conyoviejo** » Fri Apr 13, 2018 9:28 pm

Inchy wrote:Daily mail as well?

Yep,the Daily Liar

dermotdermot · Post by **dermotdermot** » Fri Apr 13, 2018 9:31 pm

A disturbing twist. There was I thinking that this was a self inflicted White Helmet job, when the Russians come out and say that it was carried out by an independent state that turns out to be - wait for it - the British. Well I never. I didn’t see that one coming.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Fri Apr 13, 2018 9:32 pm

WOPR is the way forward!

Man of Kent · Post by **Man of Kent** » Fri Apr 13, 2018 9:35 pm

It all kicks off tonight apparently...

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Apr 13, 2018 9:38 pm

Man of Kent wrote:It all kicks off tonight apparently...

Nah. Trump will have got permission from his boss by the time he launches any attack. He'll also know where he's allowed to strike too so i doubt WW3 will be beginning this weekend.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Fri Apr 13, 2018 9:42 pm

What does the Illuminati have to say about all this?

timshorts · Post by **timshorts** » Fri Apr 13, 2018 10:05 pm

I want no part of a US intervention. We've been there before and have been caught out by their information gerrymandering. Bush junior was a dick, but their current chief is a 2-inch one, and not fit to lead the republicans let alone his forces or ours.
At this point, I find myself believing that some sort of eu force without US involvement would be only intervention option I could support. I didn't want an eu army but a joint European force for this type of scenario would show sense and solidarity.

Bfcboyo · Post by **Bfcboyo** » Fri Apr 13, 2018 10:14 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Nah. Trump will have got permission from his boss by the time he launches any attack. He'll also know where he's allowed to strike too so i doubt WW3 will be beginning this weekend.

A real conspiracy theorist has Putin as his boss in a twisted theory beyond Pstotto

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Fri Apr 13, 2018 10:18 pm

Little public support:

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Bfcboyo · Post by **Bfcboyo** » Fri Apr 13, 2018 10:20 pm

I take it they interviewed all the none working people for the stats . Sorry to be demeaning to dossers.

Bfcboyo · Post by **Bfcboyo** » Fri Apr 13, 2018 10:22 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:We should take refugees regardless of age anyway.

Age , criminal past , terrorist associates , former terrorist atrocities any other boxes to tick.

sorry to be a party pooper.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Fri Apr 13, 2018 10:25 pm

Bfcboyo wrote:I take it they interviewed all the none working people for the stats . Sorry to be demeaning to dossers.

I think it's part of YouGov, so a cross section.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Apr 13, 2018 10:46 pm

Bfcboyo wrote:Age , criminal past , terrorist associates , former terrorist atrocities any other boxes to tick.

sorry to be a party pooper.

You're really suggesting that taking in refugees regardless of age is the same as taking in refugees regardless of criminal past and terrorism associations?

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Apr 13, 2018 10:53 pm

Bfcboyo wrote:A real conspiracy theorist has Putin as his boss in a twisted theory beyond Pstotto

Putin has him wrapped around his little finger. There's no other explanation for the difference in ways Trump acts with every other dictator, and some allies, around the world compared to Putin. He even told Russia to get ready for air strikes, and is going to tell them where they're going to strike. This after spending his campaign screaming about how the pentagon under Obama was open about the fact that they were about to assault Mosul. Bitch, please. Trump is subordinate to Putin in every way but title.

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Sat Apr 14, 2018 6:48 am

Here we go......

paulatky · Post by **paulatky** » Sat Apr 14, 2018 7:09 am

Result of today's match now means nothing.

paulatky · Post by **paulatky** » Sat Apr 14, 2018 7:10 am

Result of today's match now means nothing.

Bfcboyo · Post by **Bfcboyo** » Sat Apr 14, 2018 7:16 am

paulatky wrote:Result of today's match now means nothing.

Did I miss the cup final.

paulatky · Post by **paulatky** » Sat Apr 14, 2018 7:26 am

USA,France and Great Britain have just bombed Syria.
What in God's name have we started,and God forbid how will it end.
Very worried about the outcome and will be impossible to have my mind on football.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sat Apr 14, 2018 7:29 am

paulatky wrote:USA,France and Great Britain have just bombed Syria.
What in God's name have we started,and God forbid how will it end.
Very worried about the outcome and will be impossible to have my mind on football.

Pfft. Casual!

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Sat Apr 14, 2018 7:35 am

It's war!

deanothedino · Post by **deanothedino** » Sat Apr 14, 2018 7:50 am

ClaretAndJew wrote:It's war!

Except it isn’t. It’s a tactical strike against a small number of strategic targets. There’s quite a difference.

Frankly, I’m amazed by the number of people who advocate standing idly by while a regime uses chemical weapons against its own people.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sat Apr 14, 2018 7:54 am

deanothedino wrote:Except it isn’t. It’s a tactical strike against a small number of strategic targets. There’s quite a difference.

Frankly, I’m amazed by the number of people who advocate standing idly by while a regime uses chemical weapons against its own people.

Some of us think we should use our military to prevent people like Assad from slaughtering innocent people. But at the same time we know that that's not really why our governments are doing it, otherwise we'd be doing it much more often and in countries that are less strategically important to us.