Lineker: patronising freeloader

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Mon Apr 16, 2018 8:08 am

Unreal, 100% clear that the tweet is aimed at Arsenal fans

And also 100% clear that whoever is 7th is always going to be a team that Arsenal fans would be confident of finishing above.

So there is absolutely nothing to see here at all, and it it didn't make you laugh, then you are perhaps taking things a bit too seriously.

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Mon Apr 16, 2018 8:50 am

Not much to get upset about there. Think MOTD would benefit from a mix of presenters and not just ex footballers. Danny Murphy is good but I prefer the dynamic with a journalist ( Mark Pougatch) for example and an ex manager in addition to a footballer. Lineker is becoming tiresome.

Darthlaw · Post by **Darthlaw** » Mon Apr 16, 2018 9:15 am

Natalie Sawyer has some free time now and could provide as much quality as Lineker does in stating a point then asking if the pundits agree. Probably be a damn site cheaper as well.

The only issue I have with Lineker is the size of his salary at the beeb, which I believe he is thoroughly undeserving of.

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Mon Apr 16, 2018 9:19 am

RingoMcCartney wrote:I have a washing machine in my house. I'm not obliged to pay, through threat of prison, a tax to one particular washing powder manufacturer whether I use their product or not.

I have a microwave. I'm not obliged to pay, through threat of prison, a tax to one particular food manufacturer whether I use their product or not.

I have a television. Why should I be obliged to pay one particular broadcaster, through threat of prison, whether I watch their product or not?

In 2018, with subscription, pay to view and multi channel options, its its an indefensible, regressive poll tax, that punishes those least able to afford it.

It's not a "tv licence" it's the BBC tax.

I'm not sure if anyone has ever been imprisoned for not paying their TV licence. I'm not even sure they CAN as I don't think it is a criminal offence. I could be wrong on the second bit but I have never ever personally heard of anyone being thrown inside for non-payment.

ceborame · Post by **ceborame** » Mon Apr 16, 2018 9:32 am

Yes he's taking the **** out of arsenal fans, BUT he's using Burnley to do so, so yes he is being patronising to us

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Mon Apr 16, 2018 9:41 am

houseboy wrote:I'm not sure if anyone has ever been imprisoned for not paying their TV licence. I'm not even sure they CAN as I don't think it is a criminal offence. I could be wrong on the second bit but I have never ever personally heard of anyone being thrown inside for non-payment.

Courts Jail 107 People For Not Paying BBC TV Licence Fines

https://m.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/10/ ... 63939.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Of the 184,595 people across the UK charged with non-payment of the TV Licence by Capita TV Licensing, 21,300 were found not guilty – and 90 people were jailed for failing to pay court-issued fines. The figure for charges includes out-of-court disposals.

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/07/1 ... ons_women/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... rate-cases" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Scrap the unjustifiable BBC poll tax.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Mon Apr 16, 2018 9:47 am

RingoMcCartney wrote:Courts Jail 107 People For Not Paying BBC TV Licence Fines

https://m.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/10/ ... 63939.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Of the 184,595 people across the UK charged with non-payment of the TV Licence by Capita TV Licensing, 21,300 were found not guilty – and 90 people were jailed for failing to pay court-issued fines. The figure for charges includes out-of-court disposals.

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/07/1 ... ons_women/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... rate-cases" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Scrap the unjustifiable BBC poll tax.

They weren't jailed for not paying the TV Licence. It even says that in your post.

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Mon Apr 16, 2018 9:52 am

90 people were jailed for 'non-payment of fines' (a criminal offence) not non-payment of TV licence. You can be jailed for not paying a tenner if it's a court fine. So no-one has ever been jailed for not paying their TV licence then?
I would also be careful of using the Huff Post as a source, it's not the most reliable publication in the world.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Mon Apr 16, 2018 10:02 am

Tall Paul wrote:They weren't jailed for not paying the TV Licence. It even says that in your post.

Javid said almost 200,000 people were prosecuted in 2012-13 for failing to buy a TV licence, which costs £145.50 a year. “More than 50 were sent to prison.

From the guardian.....

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Mon Apr 16, 2018 10:02 am

houseboy wrote:90 people were jailed for 'non-payment of fines' (a criminal offence) not non-payment of TV licence. You can be jailed for not paying a tenner if it's a court fine. So no-one has ever been jailed for not paying their TV licence then?
I would also be careful of using the Huff Post as a source, it's not the most reliable publication in the world.

Javid said almost 200,000 people were prosecuted in 2012-13 for failing to buy a TV licence, which costs £145.50 a year. “More than 50 were sent to prison.

From the guardian.....

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Mon Apr 16, 2018 10:05 am

Tall Paul wrote:They weren't jailed for not paying the TV Licence. It even says that in your post.

Courts jail 845 for not paying TV licence fines

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/cour ... 28836.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

From the independent.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Mon Apr 16, 2018 10:06 am

houseboy wrote:I'm not sure if anyone has ever been imprisoned for not paying their TV licence. I'm not even sure they CAN as I don't think it is a criminal offence. I could be wrong on the second bit but I have never ever personally heard of anyone being thrown inside for non-payment.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/cour ... 28836.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... rate-cases" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/07/1 ... ons_women/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

https://m.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/10/ ... 63939.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Mon Apr 16, 2018 10:08 am

Woman pensioner jailed for not paying TV licence - ridiculous cost of jailing fine dodgers in Northern Ireland

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news ... 21028.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Apr 16, 2018 10:11 am

RingoMcCartney wrote:Woman pensioner jailed for not paying TV licence - ridiculous cost of jailing fine dodgers in Northern Ireland

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news ... 21028.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

She was jailed for refusing to pay a fine, not for not paying her licence. Learn to ******* read.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Mon Apr 16, 2018 10:11 am

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north- ... e-13055099" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

50 Welsh language campaigners could be jailed over TV licences

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Mon Apr 16, 2018 10:12 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:She was jailed for refusing to pay a fine, not for not paying her licence. Learn to ******* read.

Desperate just simply desperate!

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Apr 16, 2018 10:14 am

RingoMcCartney wrote:

Desperate just simply desperate!

It literaly says so in the first sentence.

"A female pensioner was jailed for a month because she refused to pay a fine after being caught evading the TV licence."

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Mon Apr 16, 2018 10:14 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:She was jailed for refusing to pay a fine, not for not paying her licence. Learn to ******* read.

The punishment for evading the licence fee is a fine of up to £1,000, but those who refuse to pay up can be hauled back before the courts and sent to jail.

Just how much of a super massive pedantic clown are You!??

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Mon Apr 16, 2018 10:16 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:It literaly says so in the first sentence.

"A female pensioner was jailed for a month because she refused to pay a fine after being caught evading the TV licence."

Stop digging you tool!

Put the spade down!!!

And evacuate the hole!!

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Apr 16, 2018 10:17 am

RingoMcCartney wrote:The punishment for evading the licence fee is a fine of up to £1,000, but those who refuse to pay up can be hauled back before the courts and sent to jail.

Just how much of a super massive pedantic clown are You!??

Refusing to pay a court mandated fine is a crime all by itself. It doesn't matter why you got the fine, refusal to pay it is a crime and anyone who refuses to pay a fine should be sent to prison.
If you illegally park your car and get fined, then tell the court you will not pay the fine you will go to prison. That doesn't mean you went to prison for illegally parking your car.

How are you this stupid? Seriously. Do you have learning difficulties or something? Cos if you do then say so so i can go easier on you.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Mon Apr 16, 2018 10:22 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:Refusing to pay a court mandated fine is a crime all by itself. It doesn't matter why you got the fine, refusal to pay it is a crime and anyone who refuses to pay a fine should be sent to prison.
If you illegally park your car and get fined, then tell the court you will not pay the fine you will go to prison. That doesn't mean you went to prison for illegally parking your car.

How are you this stupid? Seriously. Do you have learning difficulties or something? Cos if you do then say so so i can go easier on you.

THE BBC and Home Office faced sustained criticism after the Prison Service revealed yesterday that 845 people were jailed last year for not having a television licence.

Taken from the Independent

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/cour ... 28836.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

All together now.

845 845 in prison
845 845 I say.
845 845 in prison
For not paying the tv licence turtle says "no way"

You really are a ridiculous, argue that black is white chimp aren't you!

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Mon Apr 16, 2018 10:26 am

RingoMcCartney wrote:The punishment for evading the licence fee is a fine of up to £1,000, but those who refuse to pay up can be hauled back before the courts and sent to jail.

Just how much of a super massive pedantic clown are You!??

You go to court for an offence (not paying a TV licence), you get fined. You have to pay a court fine or you get sent to prison. No-one has been imprisoned for not paying the licence, you are ignoring your own proofs.
For what it's worth I actually agree with you about the licence fee, I think it's wrong, but no-one has been imprisoned for not paying it only for not paying the legally binding court fine.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Apr 16, 2018 10:27 am

RingoMcCartney wrote:THE BBC and Home Office faced sustained criticism after the Prison Service revealed yesterday that 845 people were jailed last year for not having a television licence.

Taken from the Independent

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/cour ... 28836.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

All together now.

845 845 in prison
845 845 I say.
845 845 in prison
For not paying the tv licence turtle says "no way"

You really are a ridiculous, argue that black is white chimp aren't you!

It's just to ******* easy.

From that same article:
In 1991, the first year in which figures were collected, 394 people were jailed (136 of them women) for failing to pay the fine - a maximum of pounds 1,000 - imposed by magistrates for having television without an pounds 83 licence. Last year, 845 (including 292 women) were imprisoned. The typical sentence was 14 days.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Mon Apr 16, 2018 10:27 am

Anyone refusing to pay a fine could be sent to prison and at least 70 people have received custodial sentences in recent years. With more than 180,000 people charged with not paying their licence fee each year, prosecutions currently account for around one in 10 of all criminal cases in England and Wales.

From the daily telegraph.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Mon Apr 16, 2018 10:28 am

lol Ringo

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Mon Apr 16, 2018 10:31 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:It's just to ******* easy.

From that same article:
In 1991, the first year in which figures were collected, 394 people were jailed (136 of them women) for failing to pay the fine - a maximum of pounds 1,000 - imposed by magistrates for having television without an pounds 83 licence. Last year, 845 (including 292 women) were imprisoned. The typical sentence was 14 days.

If they can't afford the 147 for the BBC poll tax

How likely is it that they can afford to pay the 1000?

Have a little think you idiot.

Ask yourself this very simple (even for you) qustion

If you don't pay the BBC poll tax. Can you end up in jail with a criminal record?

I've got at least 845 reasons to know what the answer is !

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Mon Apr 16, 2018 10:34 am

Tall Paul wrote:lol Ringo

I'm the one laughing Paul!

At the usual gaggle of lefties, flying in the face of reality that if you don't pay your tv licence you wind up in jail!

Literally laughable!

Got my week off with a right giggle, watching you huff n puff and use pure desperate pedantry is you tie yourselves in knots!

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Mon Apr 16, 2018 10:37 am

From the same Guardian article that you linked to prove your point:

https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... rate-cases" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

You cannot go to prison for non-payment of your licence fee

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Mon Apr 16, 2018 10:38 am

houseboy wrote:I'm not sure if anyone has ever been imprisoned for not paying their TV licence. I'm not even sure they CAN as I don't think it is a criminal offence.

last year 107,000 were given a criminal record for failing to pay money to the BBC......

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Mon Apr 16, 2018 10:41 am

Tall Paul wrote:From the same Guardian article that you linked to prove your point:

https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... rate-cases" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

If they can't afford the 147 for the BBC poll tax

How likely is it that they can afford to pay the 1000?

Put pedantry to one side for a moment.

Have a little think.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Apr 16, 2018 10:41 am

RingoMcCartney wrote:If they can't afford the 147 for the BBC poll tax

How likely is it that they can afford to pay the 1000?

Have a little think you idiot.

Ask yourself this very simple (even for you) qustion

If you don't pay the BBC poll tax. Can you end up in jail with a criminal record?

I've got at least 845 reasons to know what the answer is !

So you concede that they were jailed for not paying the fine, which is a seperate crime. Good.

As for your "point". Let me get this straight. These people you say couldn't afford a licence fee, therefore they in effect stole a product they couldn't afford. So what you're saying is that if you steal something because you can't afford to buy it you then shouldn't be fined as punishment, because you can't afford it.

So the obvious question that follow is "what punishment should they receive?" Community service? But then that inhibits their ability to find work in order to afford things. So, i guess it's prison then. So the logical conclusion from your train of "thought" is that you're implicitely advocating that people who break the law requiring them to purchase a licence if they want to watch TV either shouldn't be punished for it (surely you don't want crimes to be unpunished), or should be sent to prison for it.

So. To summarise, ringo thinks you should be sent to prison if you don't pay your TV licence. Also, Ringo wants us all to be outraged at people who are sent to prison for refusing to pay a fine received as punishmen for the crime of failing to purchase a TV licence.

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Mon Apr 16, 2018 10:45 am

RingoMcCartney wrote:last year 107,000 were given a criminal record for failing to pay money to the BBC......

I think you're getting a bit obsessed now Ringo mi old mate. You've lost this one ages ago, go have a lie down you'll feel much better afterwards.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Mon Apr 16, 2018 10:46 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:So you concede that they were jailed for not paying the fine, which is a seperate crime. Good.

As for your "point". Let me get this straight. These people you say couldn't afford a licence fee, therefore they in effect stole a product they couldn't afford. So what you're saying is that if you steal something because you can't afford to buy it you then shouldn't be fined as punishment, because you can't afford it.

So the obvious question that follow is "what punishment should they receive?" Community service? But then that inhibits their ability to find work in order to afford things. So, i guess it's prison then. So the logical conclusion from your train of "thought" is that you're implicitely advocating that people who break the law requiring them to purchase a licence if they want to watch TV either shouldn't be punished for it (surely you don't want crimes to be unpunished), or should be sent to prison for it.

So. To summarise, ringo thinks you should be sent to prison if you don't pay your TV licence. Also, Ringo wants us all to be outraged at people who are sent to prison for refusing to pay a fine received as punishmen for the crime of failing to purchase a TV licence.

So despite me saying on many many occasion that the tv licence fee shpuld be scrapped. You're now desperately trying to claim I think people should be sent to prison.

Even by your monumental moronic standards, you've really cranked up the stupid levels to 11!!

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Mon Apr 16, 2018 10:47 am

RingoMcCartney wrote:If they can't afford the 147 for the BBC poll tax

How likely is it that they can afford to pay the 1000?

Put pedantry to one side for a moment.

Have a little think.

How likely is it that the fine is as much as £1,000?

How likely is it that the court won't allow them to pay the fine on the drip?

Have a little think yourself.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Apr 16, 2018 10:47 am

RingoMcCartney wrote:last year 107,000 were given a criminal record for failing to pay money to the BBC......

Not true. It's not a recordable offense.

And stop passing off passages of The Register as your own words

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/07/1 ... ons_women/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Mon Apr 16, 2018 10:50 am

houseboy wrote:I think you're getting a bit obsessed now Ringo mi old mate. You've lost this one ages ago, go have a lie down you'll feel much better afterwards.

Haha really!?

Non payment of tv licence leads to a criminal record and jail.

Final score

Ringo McCartney 1. Houseboy 0

The match of the day summarisers said Ringo just had too much common sense and facts in his locker, for the opposition to cope with.

845 845 in prison

Come on you know the words!!!

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Mon Apr 16, 2018 10:52 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:Not true. It's not a recordable offense.

And stop passing off passages of The Register as your own words

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/07/1 ... ons_women/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Put the spade down

Or get a job in a grave yard. Think about it. You'd get paid for digging holes!!!!

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Mon Apr 16, 2018 10:53 am

Can you be imprisoned if you don't pay the £1k fine for not having a licence?

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Apr 16, 2018 10:54 am

Sidney1st wrote:Can you be imprisoned if you don't pay the £1k fine for not having a licence?

Of course you can. If a court instructs you to pay a fine and you refuse to pay it you can, and should, be imprisoned.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Mon Apr 16, 2018 10:55 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:Not true. It's not a recordable offense.

And stop passing off passages of The Register as your own words

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/07/1 ... ons_women/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

A week after the culture secretary, Sajid Javid, confirmed a review of the law that makes non-payment of your television licence a CRIMINAL OFFENCE ......

Is it finally sinking on implodingchimp?

https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... rate-cases" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Shelling peas.
It's just like shelling peas.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Apr 16, 2018 10:57 am

RingoMcCartney wrote:A week after the culture secretary, Sajid Javid, confirmed a review of the law that makes non-payment of your television licence a criminal offence ......

https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... rate-cases" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Shelling peas.
It's just like shelling peas.

Yes, it's a criminal offence. That doesn't mean you get a criminal record for it.

Let me help you. Google "Non-recordable crimanal offences"

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Mon Apr 16, 2018 10:58 am

I thought half term was over. Evidently not.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Apr 16, 2018 11:00 am

Here, Ringo. This destroys both your pathetic arguments.

Source? ******* parliament.

http://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN06860/SN06860.pdf

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Mon Apr 16, 2018 11:01 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:Yes, it's a criminal offence. That doesn't mean you get a criminal record for it.

Let me help you. Google "Non-recordable crimanal offences"

You're meeting yourself coming back now!!!!

So it is a CRIMINAL OFFENCE now is It!!!!!!!?

So not only have you brought the stupid levels up to 11. You've now hot your legal team out of the turtle bunker and going for a full on pedantry fest!!!!!

NottsClaret · Post by **NottsClaret** » Mon Apr 16, 2018 11:03 am

Ha. loving the TV licensing pedantry this morning.

Anyway, re. Lineker, I doubt there's many pundits had more good things to say about us to a larger audience than he has every week this season. We're really scraping around for things to take offence at here. I can only really think of Chris Sutton's latest rambling and nobody listens to that plank.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Mon Apr 16, 2018 11:04 am

You can always tell Ringo is losing an argument by how many smileys he uses.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Mon Apr 16, 2018 11:04 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:Here, Ringo. This destroys both your pathetic arguments.

Source? ******* parliament.

http://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN06860/SN06860.pdf

Yes !! Yes !! It totally destroys what I said right at the beginning

Don't pay your tv licence you wind up in jail.

Well done the implodingchimps highly qualified pedantry squad!!!!

Job done. Back to the turtle bunker for you!!

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Mon Apr 16, 2018 11:06 am

UpTheBeehole wrote:You can always tell Ringo is losing an argument by how many smileys he uses.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Mon Apr 16, 2018 11:06 am

NottsClaret wrote:Ha. loving the TV licensing pedantry this morning.

Anyway, re. Lineker, I doubt there's many pundits had more good things to say about us to a larger audience than he has every week this season. We're really scraping around for things to take offence at here. I can only really think of Chris Sutton's latest rambling and nobody listens to that plank.

No one listens to Sutton because he sounds so effing boring.

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Mon Apr 16, 2018 11:06 am

Just accept that Ringo is terminally stupid, it makes ignoring his denial of stone cold facts a lot easier.