Stephen Lawrence Day..

Barry_Chuckle · Post by **Barry_Chuckle** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 8:12 pm

Jim Davidson?

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 8:12 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Racists are gonna absolutely hate this.

I like it.

I'm a racist according to you.

hampsteadclaret · Post by **hampsteadclaret** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 8:19 pm

Jim Davison is nowhere bright enough to give proper credence to the topic, and he would never be let loose anywhere near Newsnight.

Barry_Chuckle · Post by **Barry_Chuckle** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 8:19 pm

hampsteadclaret wrote:Jim Davison is nowhere bright enough to give proper credence to the topic, and he would never be let loose anywhere near Newsnight.

Could make it worth watching though!

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 8:30 pm

Move over Earth Day it's now Stephen Lawrence Day, which is far more important.

ŽižkovClaret · Post by **ŽižkovClaret** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 8:38 pm

Strikes me as a cynical tory attempt at deflection, i cant lie, but thoughts with the Lawrences, and if it comforts them then so be it

AlargeClaret · Post by **AlargeClaret** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 8:48 pm

If it stops the seemingly infinite govt,police and all round luvvie apologist handwringing i’m all for it.

A shocking murder trivialised by point scoring lefties on here though, virtually wetting their pants amid an industrial arrse smoke blowing contest.Metaphorically massaging oil into one another’s backs as they try to goad someone to say “ what s load of old ********” or suchlike

JohnMac · Post by **JohnMac** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 8:49 pm

Brilliant gesture but it won't change anything in terms of the inept and corrupt efforts of the Met.

The timing wouldn't have anything to do with the Windrush scandal though.

Would it?

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 8:53 pm

Look who has turned up

In between sha-gging all those birds in the local Travelodge and wiping your c-ock on the curtains its super that you find time to express your views on the matter....insightful as always

AlargeClaret · Post by **AlargeClaret** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 9:14 pm

Pleasure as always TVC15

Pstotto · Post by **Pstotto** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 9:16 pm

White man stab black man, big story forever. Black man stab black man, no story.

Is one motivation worse than another? lest we forget 30 knife deaths in London this year. Name them.

Goth girl gets beaten to death in Bacup because of prejudice. Is their going to be National Bacup Goth Girl day?

It's more 'DON'T F**KING LOOK AT ME AS I'M IN YOUR FACE political pre-emptivism.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 10:12 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:Why has the same prominence not been given to Kriss Donald. The 15 year old abducted by a gang of racist Asians?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/c ... 23545.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Kriss Donald remembrance day? No

Drummer Lee Rigby remembrance day? No

Stephen Lawrence remembrance day? Yes

Instititutional, anglophobic racism.

Pstotto · Post by **Pstotto** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 10:19 pm

100% agree with Ringo,s post.

ClaretEngineer · Post by **ClaretEngineer** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 10:24 pm

Am I seeing this? Really, I mean this place really does plumb the depths of ignorance and intolerance at times but to suggest this marking of a very important piece of history as “making ourselves look good” really does take the whole consignment of biscuits.

I really do hope it’s just people playing devils advocate to stoke debate here, because if not you’re a pretty f*****g disgraceful bunch.

Pstotto · Post by **Pstotto** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 10:31 pm

It's political window dressing.

Walton · Post by **Walton** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 10:32 pm

Some disgraceful posts

JohnDearyMe · Post by **JohnDearyMe** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 10:35 pm

Walton wrote:Some disgraceful posts

Agreed. Would encourage people to take a look at the 3 part Stephen Lawrence documentary on BBC iPlayer

hampsteadclaret · Post by **hampsteadclaret** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 10:39 pm

64...Engineeer...no you've got it, it's easy to see those who really mean what they say. They won't change.

Pstotto...I read all your posts and sympathise with some of your issues, as you have explained them clearly enough.

I cannot though put up any longer with your [imo] blatant racist comments, and you have gone on the FOE list, for what it's worth.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 10:41 pm

ClaretEngineer wrote:Am I seeing this? Really, I mean this place really does plumb the depths of ignorance and intolerance at times but to suggest this marking of a very important piece of history as “making ourselves look good” really does take the whole consignment of biscuits.

I really do hope it’s just people playing devils advocate to stoke debate here, because if not you’re a pretty f*****g disgraceful bunch.

I'm looking right now at my Royal Society for the Protection of Birds calendar and it definitely has the 22nd of April down as Earth Day.

Would you like me to cross it out in biro and change it?

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 10:43 pm

JohnDearyMe wrote:Agreed. Would encourage people to take a look at the 3 part Stephen Lawrence documentary on BBC iPlayer

Was that the programme where the the brothers of islam turned up? Violence took place and there was going to be a lynching?

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 10:45 pm

Bin Ont Turf wrote:I'm looking right now at my Royal Society for the Protection of Birds calendar and it definitely has the 22nd of April down as Earth Day.

Would you like me to cross it out in biro and change it?

St georges day.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 10:48 pm

tim_noone wrote:St georges day.

Tourette's?

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 10:51 pm

Bin Ont Turf wrote:Tourette's?

FFF.....

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 11:08 pm

I reckon some bloke just comes up with stuff like this to trigger to mouth frothing numskulls of this country. Judging by the reaction off the small snapshot of these clowns we get on here that bloke is playing an absolute blinder

1968claret · Post by **1968claret** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 11:28 pm

Much as I think the murder of Stephen and subsequent ‘investigation’ was abhorrent, I do feel uncomfortable with this. As others have mentioned it feels a bit too much like the government wanting to deflect from the wind rush debacle.
Just out of interest, is there a ‘national day’ for Hillsborough? I know that they commemorate every year in Liverpool but not sure if there is a national day as such? If not then on this basis, multiple deaths, cover up, prejudice etc. Surely there should be one?

Pstotto · Post by **Pstotto** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 11:40 pm

I haven't made any racist comments, Hampstead. if you care to elaborate further feel free, but no Ad Hominem 'you' this and 'you' that. Come on, in a pub with your contemporaries in a discussion would you be so up your own arse, if someone takes the debate up a notch to cultural theory?

Not much of a Liverpool mourning of Heysel every year, from what I see.

All this memorial stuff is another aspect of creeping anti-Brexit Catholic culture and its maudlin self-righteousness on the sleeve as a badge of show to cover their true nature. The whole 'lest we forget' stuff is folk who need to remind themselves.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 11:47 pm

Pstotto wrote:I haven't made any racist comments, Hampstead. if you care to elaborate further feel free, but no Ad Hominem 'you' this and 'you' that.

If one doesn't agree with the thread title you are deemed racist.i would assume

chipbutty · Post by **chipbutty** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 11:53 pm

Will the local mosques have a Lee Rigby day on 22nd May?

Darnhill Claret · Post by **Darnhill Claret** » Tue Apr 24, 2018 12:28 am

This case was very significant to me. The chances are that I have probably caught a bus from the bus-stop that Stephen was attacked at. In 1970 I did my Voluntary Service at Hither Green Hospital and had friends who worked at Lewisham Hospital on Lewisham High Street. I was also 'going out' with a nurse from St Lucia who was nervous that we might be attacked in the street when we were out together so there was an air of racial tension that I experienced myself. The Daily Mail went public with the names of 5 suspects from South London criminal families but it was many years before they were brought to court. Only 2 were convicted and there were attempts to nobble some jury members.

In some similar circumstances on Merseyside, newspapers named the suspect whose name was circulated in the locality very soon after 'Little Boy Blue' died. Again it was a case of the police investigation being hampered by people deliberately perverting the course of justice.

I would have no problem with any date deing declared as a day of remembrance for these and other deserving cases.

As for Sophie from Bacup many people campaigned long and hard for her memory to be a lasting reminder and due to their efforts I feel they have succeeded. I think opponents of 'special remembrance days' should just be accepting and respectful of family wishes. Why discriminate as to who is the most deserving. Why should that be a contributing factor??

Darnhill Claret · Post by **Darnhill Claret** » Tue Apr 24, 2018 12:29 am

Don't think mosques will have a Stephen Lawrence day either, so maybe you should be happy about that.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Tue Apr 24, 2018 12:45 am

Darnhill Claret wrote:Don't think mosques will have a Stephen Lawrence day either, so maybe you should be happy about that.

They don't have a day that's not for their own.

Women's day is definitely out, along with Earth Day and 'look at me cuddling at black fella' Day.

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Tue Apr 24, 2018 8:25 am

Is there a new amendment to Godwin's Law; The Lee Rigby Clause?

KeighleyClaret · Post by **KeighleyClaret** » Tue Apr 24, 2018 1:04 pm

Generally the 'what about' argument is pretty worthless. Someone does something terrible and the argument is 'but what about someone else'.

Stephen Laurence is an important case not specifically because he was brutally murdered by racists but because the Police failed to investigate properly, the perpetrators got away with it (some permanently) and the Police were exposed (eventually) as both incompetent and institutionally racist.

The result of this was a seed change starting with the Met and in society attitudes to people of colour, from the very top, such that we no longer expect racist violence to be tolerated.

As far as I am aware the racist murderers of Lee Rigby were apprehended, tried and imprisoned. His family did not have to fight for justice. But I'd be happy to celebrate his life and tragic death on a yearly basis. It doesn't make it wrong to remember Stephen Lawrence.

Chobulous · Post by **Chobulous** » Tue Apr 24, 2018 1:52 pm

My view of this is that we should not see this as Stephen Lawrence's personal remembrance day but rather see it as a day to reflect on what can happen when society is infected by ignorance and blind hatred and where stereotyping is the norm, with Stephen as a figurehead for that reflection. Unfortunately, if you take this forum as a microcosm for society, then that probably wont happen. What we are seeing already are the battle lines being drawn, with on the one hand the ineffably smug frantically waving their self professed liberal credentials whilst stereotyping and demonising a huge demographic and on the other hand those who despise or suspect any other ethnic group finding all sorts of spurious comparisons and "what abouts" to detract from what this day should be truly about. Just another day on UTC.

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Tue Apr 24, 2018 2:04 pm

KeighleyClaret wrote:Generally the 'what about' argument is pretty worthless.

But that's all some people have so don't be too hard on them

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Tue Apr 24, 2018 2:11 pm

TheFamilyCat wrote:Is there a new amendment to Godwin's Law; The Lee Rigby Clause?

Drummer Lee Rigby apparently, you always have to get the drummer bit in or else you lose 1000 Help For Heroes points.

Chobulous · Post by **Chobulous** » Tue Apr 24, 2018 2:15 pm

TheFamilyCat wrote:Is there a new amendment to Godwin's Law; The Lee Rigby Clause?

UpTheBeehole wrote:
Drummer Lee Rigby apparently, you always have to get the drummer bit in or else you lose 1000 Help For Heroes points.

It comes right after the Middle Aged White Male Amendment

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Tue Apr 24, 2018 2:23 pm

What we are seeing already are the battle lines being drawn, with on the one hand the ineffably smug frantically waving their self professed liberal credentials whilst stereotyping and demonising a huge demographic

The great thing about thread like this is that you know what you are saying is getting through to people. I'll take any brick bats going as long as the message is getting though. Because that is all that matters.

CaptainKirk · Post by **CaptainKirk** » Tue Apr 24, 2018 2:24 pm

What's wrong with being white, middle aged and reading the Daily Mail?

Chobulous · Post by **Chobulous** » Tue Apr 24, 2018 2:33 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:The great thing about thread like this is that you know what you are saying is getting through to people. I'll take any brick bats going as long as the message is getting though. Because that is all that matters.

The message I get from you is that you condemn a whole section of society for the very faults that you exhibit yourself. You have no compunction about stereotyping a whole group of people in order to get across your own narrow viewpoint.

For what it's worth by the way, Stephen Lawrence's murderers didn't fit the demographic you so despise in a crucial way. They were juveniles at the time they committed the crime, not that it matters.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Tue Apr 24, 2018 2:49 pm

But still racists though, which is the only demographic I despise. Hell, is that even a demographic?

Chobulous · Post by **Chobulous** » Tue Apr 24, 2018 2:58 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:But still racists though, which is the only demographic I despise. Hell, is that even a demographic?

Yet you still manage at every opportunity to cite white middle aged or old men as those at fault for everything. You make no attempt to differentiate you just lump them all in there. You are a hypocrite. You are racist (white) ageist (middle aged) and sexist (men). You are all of the things you profess to despise.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Tue Apr 24, 2018 3:00 pm

Isn't Lancaster a white, middle aged man?

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Tue Apr 24, 2018 3:04 pm

I fully hold my hands up to the crime of generalising, but only on this board.

The people on this board that respond in an completely inappropriate way to threads like this are white, middle aged and men (apart from Healeywood).

And that does not make me hypocritical for pointing that out.

Being a hypocrite would be someone who voted to leave the EU and stop freedom of movement, whilst working as a barman in France for example.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Tue Apr 24, 2018 3:14 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:I fully hold my hands up to the crime of generalising, but only on this board.

Well that's okay then.

Chobulous · Post by **Chobulous** » Tue Apr 24, 2018 3:14 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:I fully hold my hands up to the crime of generalising, but only on this board.

The people on this board that respond in an completely inappropriate way to threads like this are white, middle aged and men (apart from Healeywood).

And that does not make me hypocritical for pointing that out.

Being a hypocrite would be someone who voted to leave the EU and stop freedom of movement, whilst working as a barman in France for example.

Why only on this board. I suspect you would never be able to put forward your white middle aged male prejudice to an actual white middle aged male, not because of any physical threat but because in a face to face discourse you would have to make a convincing defence of your argument with all the complications of tone of voice, body language and all the other subtle nuances that would you give away. By the way you have no evidence that "The people on this board that respond in an completely inappropriate way to threads like this are white, middle aged and men" other than the belief that most contributors to this forum fall into that demographic. I'm guessing you don't know many of them personally. By that token there's a good chance that most people in this forum who have some sympathy with your prejudice are white middle aged and male.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Tue Apr 24, 2018 3:58 pm

Why not?

And I have a varied difference of opinions on topics btw. I'd be surprised if everybody who is disgusted at this thread (which should be everyone btw) is going to share my opinion on the EU for example.

Do you really think that being white, middle aged and white isn't the most favourable demographic btw? Or that it isn't the main demographic of our support? or that it isn't the main demographic on this board?

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Tue Apr 24, 2018 4:12 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:I fully hold my hands up to the crime of generalising, but only on this board.

The people on this board that respond in an completely inappropriate way to threads like this are white, middle aged and men (apart from Healeywood).

And that does not make me hypocritical for pointing that out.

Being a hypocrite would be someone who voted to leave the EU and stop freedom of movement, whilst working as a barman in France for example.

How do you know they are white middle aged men ? Also a non generalised focused dig at Rowls.

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Tue Apr 24, 2018 4:30 pm

Drummer Lee Rigby has been mentioned several times on this thread.
I'm not sure that this is a parallel case.
As I recall it, the perpetrators of this horrific murder claimed that it was a protest against British Foreign policy, and the unfortunate young sevrviceman was singled out because he was a soldier, not specifically or simply because of his race /colour.
In that sense any comparison is invalid, but - in any case, there was no racism from the police in dealing with it, as there was in the Lawrence case.
Two young innocent lives savagely ended, but to a large extent that's where the parallels end (IMO).

Pstotto · Post by **Pstotto** » Tue Apr 24, 2018 4:33 pm

There are two things going on. There's the event and there's the media salivation and usurpation of the event for political pre-emptive strikes against already developed humans, for example I don't need a Stephen Lawrence Day, I'm a developed human being and I know about society as it is.

To have that enforced upon me day after day, with whatever story is used by mediated culture, is offensive although I have natural sympathy with those wronged by whatever means and would not want to judge any sentimental activity of those close to the actual drama.

If one reacts against the second thing, one is accused (like Hampstead with me) of having issues about the first thing. One is then bashed further for being ignorant by the likes of Hampstead when one is fifty thousand times more developed as a human being and this then creates further exasperation with culture as it divides and rules further with p.c fascism and the reactionary culture that entails.

In so doing, by making a hullabaloo about the p.c. fascist media developed issues, it engenders more and more resentment of the perceived chosen celebratory victims of the times.

Stephen Pinker, a Harvard psychologist has spoken on the matter, here's a youtube video of his about political correctness media power mongering and how it is creating a backlash:

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