Brexit

[keith1879]

See those nearly alive tools in the House of Lords were sticking their noses in on Brexit yesterday... blocking it or trying to..

So the public vote for something important in a nationwide Referendum.. 52% to 48%.
- a clear result albeit a close one.

These unelected idiots on about 15 tablets a day each, decide they’re not having it.
They are gone soon, trust me.
Democracy my a***

I'm a remainer but I'm quite happy that this was a democratic result and one that must be implemented.
But government (in all it's manifestations ) should look after the rights of ALL the people - not just the winners. I honestly don't know what is the right course (or even how you can possibly measure it in advance) but what the Lords said in effect was that the House of Commons should have a realistic say over the matter - and how can one dispute that?

The alternative is that we have a party elected by a minority pushing us into a specific deal that is definitely NOT what was voted for in 2016.

Second referendum? It would be even more divisive and poorly argued than the first - but we do need to have a realistic way of deciding what to do if we don't have a good deal available (and personally I think that "No deal" is an appalling prospect).

In my mind if parliament fails to approve a deal then we should have a general election - with the main parties setting out their plans for what to do.
Or maybe a referendum on two alternative leave options?

Actually I think we'll get some sort of compromise that the Commons can approve.

[tiger76]

I'm a remainer but I'm quite happy that this was a democratic result and one that must be implemented.
But government (in all it's manifestations ) should look after the rights of ALL the people - not just the winners. I honestly don't know what is the right course (or even how you can possibly measure it in advance) but what the Lords said in effect was that the House of Commons should have a realistic say over the matter - and how can one dispute that?

The alternative is that we have a party elected by a minority pushing us into a specific deal that is definitely NOT what was voted for in 2016.

Second referendum? It would be even more divisive and poorly argued than the first - but we do need to have a realistic way of deciding what to do if we don't have a good deal available (and personally I think that "No deal" is an appalling prospect).

In my mind if parliament fails to approve a deal then we should have a general election - with the main parties setting out their plans for what to do.
Or maybe a referendum on two alternative leave options?

Actually I think we'll get some sort of compromise that the Commons can approve.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-polit ... s-44038528 the lords again defying the Government over Brexit today.
Looking more likely a vote in the HOC over the final deal is coming which the Government is likely to lose.
What happens then who the hell knows,even with another General Election both parties are so split that neither can offer a viable exit plan.
On a second referendum i don't currently see how this would solve the impasse,unless in the unlikely event it's a 60% result either way.
I suspect there will be compromise on both sides ultimately after some brinkmanship.