Computer not starting up correctly - help needed

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Re: Computer not starting up correctly - help needed

Post by Rick_Muller » Tue May 08, 2018 1:56 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Yes - and get that File system error (-2147219200)
there's a support page for that error code CT

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/win ... 684?auth=1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

you've done the sfc scan, worth trying the DISM.exe option on that list

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Re: Computer not starting up correctly - help needed

Post by ClaretTony » Tue May 08, 2018 2:08 pm

Rick_Muller wrote:there's a support page for that error code CT

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/win ... 684?auth=1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

you've done the sfc scan, worth trying the DISM.exe option on that list
Followed that but when I tried it said the scanhealth option is unknown

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Re: Computer not starting up correctly - help needed

Post by Hipper » Tue May 08, 2018 2:11 pm

My graphic card (on Windows 7) was playing up recently. All I needed to do was blast the dust from the device.

Doesn't Windows 10 have System Restore?

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Re: Computer not starting up correctly - help needed

Post by Rick_Muller » Tue May 08, 2018 2:17 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Followed that but when I tried it said the scanhealth option is unknown
just to check CT,

from a cmd prompt (with admin privileges ticked) you typed

"DISM.exe /Online /Cleanup-image /scanhealth "

and it reported an error?

did you also try

"DISM.exe /Online /Cleanup-image /Restorehealth"

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Re: Computer not starting up correctly - help needed

Post by ClaretTony » Tue May 08, 2018 2:20 pm

Error 87

The online/cleanup-image/scanhealth option is unknown

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Re: Computer not starting up correctly - help needed

Post by Bertiebeehead » Tue May 08, 2018 2:22 pm

We’re going to need a bigger hammer.

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Re: Computer not starting up correctly - help needed

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Tue May 08, 2018 2:24 pm

We had a similar issue at work with one of the older PC's and ended up replacing it.

Kept rebooting itself on start up and would take up to an hour to get out of the loop.

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Re: Computer not starting up correctly - help needed

Post by Rick_Muller » Tue May 08, 2018 2:26 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Error 87

The online/cleanup-image/scanhealth option is unknown
There’s a leading space before each /

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Re: Computer not starting up correctly - help needed

Post by ClaretTony » Tue May 08, 2018 2:29 pm

Rick_Muller wrote:There’s a leading space before each /

Ooops - trying that now
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Re: Computer not starting up correctly - help needed

Post by The Enclosure » Tue May 08, 2018 2:40 pm

if all else fails Tony take it in to P3 computers they will sort it if it is sortable.They are on Healey Wood Road just off Manchester Road.

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Re: Computer not starting up correctly - help needed

Post by whiffa » Tue May 08, 2018 2:54 pm

Most likely just a corrupted Windows 10 update, a common issue.

I work at Blue Moon Computers in Longridge, not on your doorstep but if you wanted to drop it in I'd have a look for you.

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Re: Computer not starting up correctly - help needed

Post by ClaretTony » Tue May 08, 2018 3:28 pm

I’ve tried everything suggested and still have the problem.

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Re: Computer not starting up correctly - help needed

Post by Rick_Muller » Tue May 08, 2018 3:32 pm

ClaretTony wrote:I’ve tried everything suggested and still have the problem.
Apologies then CT - that's as much as I can do to help from here without being there

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Re: Computer not starting up correctly - help needed

Post by ClaretTony » Tue May 08, 2018 3:35 pm

Rick_Muller wrote:Apologies then CT - that's as much as I can do to help from here without being there
Don’t apologise - you’ve tried pointing me in the right direction.

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Re: Computer not starting up correctly - help needed

Post by Rick_Muller » Tue May 08, 2018 3:48 pm

Just hope you get it sorted CT

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Re: Computer not starting up correctly - help needed

Post by Spiral » Tue May 08, 2018 3:55 pm

Worth trying this before paying for a repair. Follow it to the letter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7GO5MTYijM" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: Computer not starting up correctly - help needed

Post by Firthy » Tue May 08, 2018 5:43 pm

whiffa wrote:Most likely just a corrupted Windows 10 update, a common issue.

I work at Blue Moon Computers in Longridge, not on your doorstep but if you wanted to drop it in I'd have a look for you.
Exactly what I said earlier especially if you're getting file errors. If you left the laptop on then it's possible it's gone into standby while updating.
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Re: Computer not starting up correctly - help needed

Post by ClaretTony » Tue May 08, 2018 6:10 pm

Firthy wrote:Exactly what I said earlier especially if you're getting file errors. If you left the laptop on then it's possible it's gone into standby while updating.
It’s looking that way. I’m still currently reduced to using my phone.

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Re: Computer not starting up correctly - help needed

Post by Firthy » Tue May 08, 2018 8:07 pm

ClaretTony wrote:It’s looking that way. I’m still currently reduced to using my phone.
Take it to a computer shop or take Whiffa up on his offer. They'll probably do a windows repair and have everything needed.

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Re: Computer not starting up correctly - help needed

Post by ClaretTony » Thu May 10, 2018 4:45 pm

Thanks all who offered help on Tuesday, it was really appreciated. I did, in the end, have to get it repaired and it needed a complete re-install of Windows.

I think I could do with a back up of some kind in future.
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Re: Computer not starting up correctly - help needed

Post by Long Time Lurker » Thu May 10, 2018 5:54 pm

I bought one of these - or an equivalent (plenty available)

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/USB-3-0-to-S ... SwXEdaV0q5" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

and a SATA 2.5" hard drive with enough storage space to accommodate my system and a little extra for growth. If you don't want to fork out for a new drive second hand ones can be picked up fairly cheaply off ebay.

Then I downloaded the free version of Macrium Reflect, which is a program you can use to clone your system drive. It is very simple to use, but there are plenty of youtube instructionals that walk you through the process of cloning a laptop drive with Macrium.

https://www.macrium.com/reflectfree" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Basically, you just plug in your new drive using the USB adapter and then turn on your computer. The computer will recognise the new drive as a second drive (although you might have to format it if its a new drive). Then you run the Macrium program and clone your system onto the second drive. Turn off the computer when the cloning has finished, unplug the second drive and keep it safe. If things go tits up you simply remove the drive from your computer and replace it with the cloned drive. Then you plug in the drive that had problems with the USB adapter and make a new clone that can be used as a backup in the future.

It sounds complicated, but it really isn't. The macrium software is very easy to use and you don't need two drives of the same size and by the same manufacturer for it to work (as long as the drive has enough space to fit your system on it you will be ok). Using a drive from a different manufacturer can also make it easier to identify which drive is which in the macrium software.

It's a cheap solution that works well as a back up for emergencies. However, the clone is only a replication of your system when it was made. So if you want to keep a more up to date backup you need to plug in your backup every couple of weeks and create a fresh clone.

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Re: Computer not starting up correctly - help needed

Post by basil6345789 » Thu May 10, 2018 11:54 pm

Can you use Restart? Shutdown and Start again used to fettle glitches on earlier Windows versions but doesn't do for the last 2 versions - you have to use Restart instead.

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Re: Computer not starting up correctly - help needed

Post by Hipper » Fri May 11, 2018 9:30 am

Long Time Lurker wrote:I bought one of these - or an equivalent (plenty available)

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/USB-3-0-to-S ... SwXEdaV0q5" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

and a SATA 2.5" hard drive with enough storage space to accommodate my system and a little extra for growth. If you don't want to fork out for a new drive second hand ones can be picked up fairly cheaply off ebay.

Then I downloaded the free version of Macrium Reflect, which is a program you can use to clone your system drive. It is very simple to use, but there are plenty of youtube instructionals that walk you through the process of cloning a laptop drive with Macrium.

https://www.macrium.com/reflectfree" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Basically, you just plug in your new drive using the USB adapter and then turn on your computer. The computer will recognise the new drive as a second drive (although you might have to format it if its a new drive). Then you run the Macrium program and clone your system onto the second drive. Turn off the computer when the cloning has finished, unplug the second drive and keep it safe. If things go tits up you simply remove the drive from your computer and replace it with the cloned drive. Then you plug in the drive that had problems with the USB adapter and make a new clone that can be used as a backup in the future.

It sounds complicated, but it really isn't. The macrium software is very easy to use and you don't need two drives of the same size and by the same manufacturer for it to work (as long as the drive has enough space to fit your system on it you will be ok). Using a drive from a different manufacturer can also make it easier to identify which drive is which in the macrium software.

It's a cheap solution that works well as a back up for emergencies. However, the clone is only a replication of your system when it was made. So if you want to keep a more up to date backup you need to plug in your backup every couple of weeks and create a fresh clone.
Would this be similar to 'System Image' which you can do with the back up systems, at least on Windows 7.

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Re: Computer not starting up correctly - help needed

Post by Long Time Lurker » Fri May 11, 2018 3:42 pm

Hipper wrote:Would this be similar to 'System Image' which you can do with the back up systems, at least on Windows 7.
Yes

https://www.raymond.cc/blog/create-wind ... storation/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

However, even the free version of Macrium Reflect provides you with greater functionality. System image doesn't provide for a simple recovery if the boot record is damaged, the hard drive is physically corrupted or a virus locks down your computer denying entry. These problems could be fixed with a fresh install or booting an image from a USB, but in a lot of cases you would then have to go through the rigmarole of reactivating windows and other software - which I find tedious.

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