Sergio Ramos

Foulthrow · Post by **Foulthrow** » Sun May 27, 2018 9:51 pm

dandeclaret wrote:Oh I think if you win in a poor manner, through deliberate cheating, injuring of players, diving etc, then you should be punished and I agree, it has to be worth something. If you're labelling that at Ramos last night then It's totally incomparable, except for the one where he went down holding his face - I'd have booked him for that - but there's nothing in the tangle with Salah though - just an accident.

PS - Ronaldo appears to have lost his pace doesn't he? Wonder if we've anybody on the message board these days who is quicker than him.

Yep. I was on about the Mane incident. Don’t think you can prove that he aimed to do Salah.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Sun May 27, 2018 9:53 pm

Why do folk still post picture stills as evidence in football matches?

Absolutely barmy.

dandeclaret · Post by **dandeclaret** » Sun May 27, 2018 9:53 pm

Ah fair enough then - I didn't like that either. Biggest problem for Ramos is that Pepe's no longer there........

dandeclaret · Post by **dandeclaret** » Sun May 27, 2018 9:55 pm

Because they show the start of an incident people are unable / unwilling to see?

ColonelCool · Post by **ColonelCool** » Sun May 27, 2018 9:59 pm

Bin Ont Turf wrote:Why do folk still post picture stills as evidence in football matches?

Absolutely barmy.

Desperate times call for desperate measures I was in the pub and everybody including the pub dog knew he did it on purpose -- And I can't stand the fecking scousers

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Sun May 27, 2018 10:00 pm

It was blatantly intentional. If that’s what makes a great defender, I’m baffled! Give me a Canavaro, Nesta or Cafu any day.

Horrible, dirty cheating ******!

MT03ALG · Post by **MT03ALG** » Sun May 27, 2018 10:05 pm

Instructions from Zidane before the game: make sure that Saha doesn't hurt us or doesn't last 90 minutes.
End of game: well done son.
Enough said.

dandeclaret · Post by **dandeclaret** » Sun May 27, 2018 10:06 pm

Ha ha - the whole pub knew? The last bastion of reasoned football analysis, the alcohol fuelled pub.

Can you confirm - did they also know that Ashley Barnes intentionally aimed to injure Matic in that challenge at Chelsea?

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sun May 27, 2018 10:08 pm

Under control... off the pitch!

harpers_perm · Post by **harpers_perm** » Sun May 27, 2018 10:08 pm

MT03ALG wrote:Instructions from Zidane before the game: make sure that Saha doesn't hurt us or doesn't last 90 minutes.
End of game: well done son.
Enough said.

Obviously Zidanes only option obviously, I’m sure he made a point of that vociferously because his team is f****ing ****.

dandeclaret · Post by **dandeclaret** » Sun May 27, 2018 10:11 pm

Poor Louis Saha, the retired former Manchester United player reportedly left baffled at being kicked from pillar to post in the Kiev hospitality zone......

ColonelCool · Post by **ColonelCool** » Sun May 27, 2018 10:14 pm

dandeclaret wrote:Poor Louis Saha, the retired former Manchester United player reportedly left baffled at being kicked from pillar to post in the Kiev hospitality zone......

Diversion = defeat.

Well that didn't last as long as I thought. Time for takeaway!

dandeclaret · Post by **dandeclaret** » Sun May 27, 2018 10:20 pm

Nah - I responded to yours further up, you just didn't answer the question on there. If you're going for a takeaway, I'd recommend some Chicken and a Can Of Coke - it's a scouser's favourite.

ColonelCool · Post by **ColonelCool** » Sun May 27, 2018 10:23 pm

dandeclaret wrote:Nah - I responded to yours further up, you just didn't answer the question on there. If you're going for a takeaway, I'd recommend some Chicken and a Can Of Coke - it's a scouser's favourite.

Not much of a Burnley fan are you - that's quite clearly a Rovers fan dream meal! Get with the game Mister!

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Sun May 27, 2018 11:07 pm

dandeclaret wrote:PS.

shows exactly what happened, Salah wraps his arm around Ramos's

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sun May 27, 2018 11:22 pm

boatshed bill.. I imagine you've also got the footage of Ramos laughing with the linesman as Salah is taken off. And it was Salah's left shoulder, not right.

You're normally one of the better posters, unless you've devloped the big white bear with no sexual preference disorder, which a few people on here have picked up.

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Sun May 27, 2018 11:51 pm

Nothing in Ramos' tangle with Salah at all. It's a physical game and, unfortunately for Salah, he fell awkwardly. Funny how much crying there's been about it.

He's an absolute shithouse but one of the best defenders of all time. His only blemish on another top performance last night was his cheating to try and get Mane done.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Mon May 28, 2018 12:08 am

Bin Ont Turf wrote:To give the full description..... his arm was grabbed and he was rolled over with a big twa* dago landing on top of him.

On purpose.

BennyD · Post by **BennyD** » Mon May 28, 2018 12:09 am

Cr4p. I was a total neutral and had no preference either way but Ramos’ tangle with Salah was an engineered way of ‘fixing’ Reals biggest threat. Just before they landed, Ramos twisted his body so that Salah was more underneath him so more of his body weight had an effect. It was blatant but he got away with it. The nearest sporting comparative event, IMO, was Schumacher ‘opening the door’ to Damon Hill and then ramming him during the overtake. The opportunity was there and both Ramos and Schumacher made the most of it for their benefit. This type of gamesmanship is why Real are the masters of the Champions League, they take no prisoners and are dirty cheating b4stards.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Mon May 28, 2018 12:25 am

Absolutely Benny. A blind man on a galloping horse knows he did it on purpose, but they aren't actually reacting to whether he did or he didn't. They're reacting to not liking Liverpool. That's the bottom line.

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Mon May 28, 2018 12:33 am

quoonbeatz wrote:Nothing in Ramos' tangle with Salah at all. It's a physical game and, unfortunately for Salah, he fell awkwardly. Funny how much crying there's been about it.

He's an absolute shithouse but one of the best defenders of all time. His only blemish on another top performance last night was his cheating to try and get Mane done.

That’s just ********

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Mon May 28, 2018 12:33 am

FactualFrank wrote: They're reacting to not liking Liverpool. That's the bottom line.

It's the same way they go about rating Barnes on the player rating threads.

Barnes - 6

Goobs · Post by **Goobs** » Mon May 28, 2018 1:39 am

Squarepusher wrote:Horrible player, but one of the best CBs of all time for me. At least he's never been quite as horrible as Pepe.

Not even fit to lace Maldini's boots and he didn't need to be a cheating cnut

Goobs · Post by **Goobs** » Mon May 28, 2018 1:43 am

quoonbeatz wrote:Nothing in Ramos' tangle with Salah at all. It's a physical game and, unfortunately for Salah, he fell awkwardly. Funny how much crying there's been about it.

He's an absolute shithouse but one of the best defenders of all time. His only blemish on another top performance last night was his cheating to try and get Mane done.

The only blemish on his career is that he is a continual cheat who would do anything to gain an advantage.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Mon May 28, 2018 3:06 am

Goobs wrote:Not even fit to lace Maldini's boots and he didn't need to be a cheating cnut

Maldini left back, Ramos a better central defender.

But Ramos.. would you trust him with your kids?

Lord Beamish · Post by **Lord Beamish** » Mon May 28, 2018 7:08 am

Bin Ont Turf wrote:To give the full description..... his arm was grabbed and he was rolled over with a big twa* dago landing on top of him.

Dago? Really?

JohnMac · Post by **JohnMac** » Mon May 28, 2018 7:14 am

Fire in the belly, winner!

Of course, he could have allowed Salah to land on top of him and possibly risk injuring himself thus negating all those 'cheat' comments.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Mon May 28, 2018 8:21 am

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:Nope.
Accidents have happened over the years resulting in broken bones.

Roy Keane intentionally tried to break that leg and ended a career.

Ramos and Salah - it's all opinions, it looks crappy, but no one can say with 100% certainty that Ramos intentionally tried to injure Salah at that moment.
I wouldn't be surprised if he did, but equally I don't think he would try to cause serious harm.

But Ramos doesn't come across as someone who has any sympathy for another player suffering a serious injury, quite the opposite.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Mon May 28, 2018 8:29 am

Spijed wrote:But Ramos doesn't come across as someone who has any sympathy for another player suffering a serious injury, quite the opposite.

That's because you're empathetic. You're trying to argue/debate with people who aren't.

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Mon May 28, 2018 9:11 am

DCWat wrote:That’s just ********

It really isn't. You're giving Ramos too much credit. As if in that split second he engineered a move to dislocated Salah's shoulder.

They both lock arms and they both go down.

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Mon May 28, 2018 9:23 am

FactualFrank wrote:They're reacting to not liking Liverpool. That's the bottom line.

Lol.

I wanted Liverpool to win. Always had a soft spot for them since I was a kid. I've got loads of mates who are Liverpool fans. When I lived there I went to a number of games at anfield, even been on the kop on a European night. I really like Klopp and the football they've played this season has been superb.

I've just got the ability to be objective, just as i have when it comes to burnley.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Mon May 28, 2018 9:27 am

The pictures posted prove absolutely nothing
To me Ramos very clearly pulled him to the floor and deliberately tried to hurt him.

His “Ronaldo” like look to the camera sums up Ramos.

You could give him the benefit of the doubt that it was an accident based on his character or previous record - but that’s a little difficult for someone who has 392 red cards to his name !!

Ramos is a great centre back no doubt - but he is also one of the biggest cheating tw-ats to ever step on to a football pitch.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Mon May 28, 2018 9:30 am

quoonbeatz wrote:It really isn't. You're giving Ramos too much credit. As if in that split second he engineered a move to dislocated Salah's shoulder.

They both lock arms and they both go down.

They both locked arms and then Ramos pulled Salah to the floor deliberately was the way I saw it. Don’t think anyone is really saying he was trying to dislocate his shoulder but he was trying to hurt him so that was always a possibility.

Being “objective” does not mean everyone saw it the way you think you did. I’m being just as objective seeing it my way.

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Mon May 28, 2018 9:44 am

TVC15 wrote:Being “objective” does not mean everyone saw it the way you think you did. I’m being just as objective seeing it my way.

Fully aware of what "objective" means, thanks. It's all about opinions and everyone's is just as valid as mine.

I was responding to the claim (which I quoted) that people who saying there wasn't much in it, were doing so because they don't like Liverpool.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Mon May 28, 2018 9:51 am

quoonbeatz wrote:Fully aware of what "objective" means, thanks. It's all about opinions and everyone's is just as valid as mine.

I was responding to the claim (which I quoted) that people who saying there wasn't much in it, were doing so because they don't like Liverpool.

To be fair some views on the incident are because of peoples dislike of Liverpool - even if yours isn’t

When you say you have the ability to be objective and use phrases like “it really isn’t” it sounds to me (only my opinion of course !) that you think some posters with different views on this are not being objective....or as objective as you

taio · Post by **taio** » Mon May 28, 2018 9:55 am

Not much wrong with what Ramos did and Salah was just unfortunate which is often the case with such shoulder injuries

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Mon May 28, 2018 9:56 am

TVC15 wrote:To be fair some views on the incident are because of peoples dislike of Liverpool - even if yours isn’t

When you say you have the ability to be objective and use phrases like “it really isn’t” it sounds to me (only my opinion of course !) that you think some posters with different views on this are not being objective....or as objective as you

Fair enough, just a turn of phrase!

Goobs · Post by **Goobs** » Mon May 28, 2018 10:09 am

FactualFrank wrote:Maldini left back, Ramos a better central defender.

But Ramos.. would you trust him with your kids?

Maldini played both full back and centre back and IMO was much better all round.

That's not really the point though, as you can probably tell, I just really don't like Ramos, and no, I wouldn't trust him with anything.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Mon May 28, 2018 10:24 am

In my opinion Maldini was a much better player than Ramos and a unquestionably a far better person.
Then again Maldini was a far better player than most defenders in the history of the game.

What you can’t deny about Ramos is his will to win and to be fair he has been pretty successful at it. As much as a lot of fans hate him most of them would be cheering him or his like if they played for their team - “he might be a cheating tw-at but he’s our cheating .....”

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Mon May 28, 2018 10:33 am

FactualFrank wrote:boatshed bill.. I imagine you've also got the footage of Ramos laughing with the linesman as Salah is taken off. And it was Salah's left shoulder, not right.

You're normally one of the better posters, unless you've devloped the big white bear with no sexual preference disorder, which a few people on here have picked up.

Strange comments, Frank.
The thing is I really do think that Salah brought it on himself by linking arms.
Shame because besides anything else the incident ruined what may have been a good game.
I can't be bothered with all this vilifying of Ramos, I doubt he's any more "evil" than most professional footballers really.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Mon May 28, 2018 10:34 am

Maldini was imo one of the best left backs there's ever been. He moved central later in his career but left back was always his best position. Ramos is best centrally. I think comparing Ramos with Cannavaro would make more sense - deffo Cannavaro!

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Mon May 28, 2018 10:37 am

Cannavaro who's got a suspicious history with enhancing drugs?

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Mon May 28, 2018 10:40 am

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:Cannavaro who's got a suspicious history with enhancing drugs?

You mean like all the Barcelona players in the last 20 years ? These conspiracy theories are great aren’t they ?!!

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Mon May 28, 2018 10:40 am

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:Cannavaro who's got a suspicious history with enhancing drugs?

Suspicious.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Mon May 28, 2018 10:41 am

TVC15 wrote:You mean like all the Barcelona players in the last 20 years ? These conspiracy theories are great aren’t they ?!!

He said it all when he said suspicious.

ecc · Post by **ecc** » Mon May 28, 2018 10:58 am

I didn't think it was a foul on Salah.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Mon May 28, 2018 10:59 am

FactualFrank wrote:Suspicious.

As in he's been very very close to getting in trouble for drug testing but managed to wiggle out of it.

I think one was taking some medicine but not asking permission first etc.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Mon May 28, 2018 12:13 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:As in he's been very very close to getting in trouble for drug testing but managed to wiggle out of it.

I think one was taking some medicine but not asking permission first etc.

Very close to getting in trouble ?
Oooooh sounds 100% guilty to me - straight to the gallows you reckon ?

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Mon May 28, 2018 12:15 pm

TVC15 wrote:Very close to getting in trouble ?
Oooooh sounds 100% guilty to me - straight to the gallows you reckon ?

Nah, just the stocks so we can throw some rotting food at him will suffice.

CoolClaret · Post by **CoolClaret** » Mon May 28, 2018 1:38 pm

He's a serial winner, nothing more and nothing less.
If he has committed a 'foul' it's up to the referee to punish him.

As for saying that you'd prefer to lose like Karius than win like Ramos, well that says it all, it's not a Sunday league game that's basically a bit of fun, it's the effing UCL final!

Win at all costs. That's professional sport.