Our transfer dealings are poor

[northeastclaret]

Maybe the reason SD is able to get miracles out of the players is because our transfer policy is to bring in the type of player that SD can get miracles out of.

Yes I am sure he was singing from the roof tops when he had only money for free transfers when he fist took over.

[northeastclaret]

Maybe the reason SD is able to get miracles out of the players is because our transfer policy is to bring in the type of player that SD can get miracles out of.

Yes I am sure he was singing from the roof tops when he had only money for free transfers when he first took over.

[Tall Paul]

Yes I am sure he was singing from the roof tops when he had only money for free transfers when he fist took over.

I've no idea what you're talking about.

You can't just dismiss our transfer policy as playing no part of our recent success, it has obviously played a very big part.

[evensteadiereddie]

Not the first time this has happened this week

[Spijed]

This is why its so frustrating , give Dyche more quality and there is no reason why we will not be even more successful. Simples.

In what way can we be more successful?

There is a reason why the top six are where they are. They are among the top clubs in world football. All capable of signing world class players.

Leicester city winning the league was a freak occurrence, a bit like Greece winning the Euro's. A pure one off.

[boatshed bill]

In what way can we be more successful?

There is a reason why the top six are where they are. They are among the top clubs in world football. All capable of signing world class players.

Leicester city winning the league was a freak occurrence, a bit like Greece winning the Euro's. A pure one off.

7th and a decent run in any of the cups?

[taio]

In what way can we be more successful?

There is a reason why the top six are where they are. They are among the top clubs in world football. All capable of signing world class players.

Leicester city winning the league was a freak occurrence, a bit like Greece winning the Euro's. A pure one off.

Winning a cup competition.

[Spijed]

Winning a cup competition.

Probably not possible with Dyche in charge!

[boatshed bill]

Probably not possible with Dyche in charge!

Just having a bit of a go in them would do for me!

I have to say, there's really little chance of us getting any higher in the league, and in my opinion we couldn't fund the sort of players we would need for that to happen.

[summitclaret]

I am still being patient about the 4/5 signings that we need, but we seem to be sleepwalking into a big problem at cb. We are already at least 1 down. Ben has still not signed an extension and perhaps of even more concern, once Tarks proves his fitness, he is very likely to be in big demand (i.e. in Jan 2019). It is pretty obvious that Walker is not a cb and Tarky will replace him in the England team soon imo. I don't think we would apparently be after the quality of Mawson or Dawson, unless at least 1 of Tarks or Mee is likey to leave this season. CB is therefore our nr 1 priority in this window, followed by a proper nr 10.

Also, someone to put pressure on Lennon is important. CM is quite well covered, but the fitness of Defour worries me a lot.

I still think that the Board is not being flexible enough on waht it is prepared to pay for quality (I mean transfer fees and support keeping to a wage structure), as Sean has quite clearly said. The comment above that we have got transfer policy right every year for 7 years is not correct. We got relegated because of a pathetic attempt to provide cover in cm. I am not convinced that that lesson has been learnt, as evidenced by having only 3 cbs all last season and some rubbish about Taylor being a cb. Please don't bang on about we finished 7th so what is the problem. The issue is chance. The chances of never having Tarks and Mee our together for a second full season are about zero.

[The Enclosure]

We’ll never have a better chance of breaking into the top 4 or indeed doing a Leicester (yes they may have had a billionaire backer but like us in every other way)In years to come we will look back at our inept transfer dealings under Dyche and wonder just what ruddy could have been!

My vote for post of the close season .

[summitclaret]

I quite like post 61, but sean is not the problem. The Board are responsible. At this moment we needa brenden flood.

[Blackrod]

'...breaking into the top four..' laughable nonsense. Think you might be disappointed this season if you don't lower your expectations.
Instead of researching the right characters for the right price and terms we should just pay inflated prices asap to appease a few impatient fans

[AndrewJB]

As other people have pointed out, if we have a professional recruitment policy run by people who do in depth player research, then the database will be growing all the time and be constantly updated. Not just players but all kinds of staff will be on it. So it’s not as though they’ll start researching players only when Dyche says he’s interested in them, but already have a lot of the information at hand. If you can’t see what a sensible process this is, then how would you improve upon it? Also it’s prudent to be seen as a club that won’t pay stupid money.

[Longsidelenny]

Please be patient everybody what's the point in having um hear to early why should we pay them silly money in wages to get fit they might as well do that at their present club trust me it will all be good in the end

[Steddyman]

'...breaking into the top four..' laughable nonsense. Think you might be disappointed this season if you don't lower your expectations.
Instead of researching the right characters for the right price and terms we should just pay inflated prices asap to appease a few impatient fans

I'm hoping we can break out of the bottom four this season.

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

Yeah the OP definitely said that....... lets also pretend he said Burnley could win the World Cup, Yes Burnley in the World Cup, he actually says that, can't believe he said that!!! OMG

Get a girlfriend pal it’ll broaden your horizons in life beyond this messageboard and your box of Kleenex.

[tiger76]

I am still being patient about the 4/5 signings that we need, but we seem to be sleepwalking into a big problem at cb. We are already at least 1 down. Ben has still not signed an extension and perhaps of even more concern, once Tarks proves his fitness, he is very likely to be in big demand (i.e. in Jan 2019). It is pretty obvious that Walker is not a cb and Tarky will replace him in the England team soon imo. I don't think we would apparently be after the quality of Mawson or Dawson, unless at least 1 of Tarks or Mee is likey to leave this season. CB is therefore our nr 1 priority in this window, followed by a proper nr 10.

Also, someone to put pressure on Lennon is important. CM is quite well covered, but the fitness of Defour worries me a lot.

I still think that the Board is not being flexible enough on waht it is prepared to pay for quality (I mean transfer fees and support keeping to a wage structure), as Sean has quite clearly said. The comment above that we have got transfer policy right every year for 7 years is not correct. We got relegated because of a pathetic attempt to provide cover in cm. I am not convinced that that lesson has been learnt, as evidenced by having only 3 cbs all last season and some rubbish about Taylor being a cb. Please don't bang on about we finished 7th so what is the problem. The issue is chance. The chances of never having Tarks and Mee our together for a second full season are about zero.

From the squad last season we have lost Airfield,Marney, and the Tottenham lad has gone back to his parent club,you would hope there would be room for 3 additions at least,i agree CB and CM are vital roles to fill.

I still think we will land Dawson,but it will go to the wire,the worry is if we get Dawson and Ben doesn't sign a new contract,do we cash in our allow him to leave next Summer for nothing,Kevin Long is an honest performer but he is not up too the demands of a long season.

A nr 10 for whatever reason isn't a priority for Sean,or the players we are chasing aren't attainable (transfer fee/wage demands),so i doubt we will fill that void unless a rabbit appears out of a hat.

Links to wingers are quiet as well,Joe Byran is the only name mentioned that could maybe by adapted to that position over time,CM we where incredibly fortunate that Jack Cork played as much as he did,but as he will one of the first names on the team sheet,there is a danger he will burn out and his form will dip,also he is much more effective with Defour alongside him,ideally we should be making provisions for injuries/suspensions and adding in this area hence the chasing of Clucas.

If we only recruit 3 in this window my order of preference would be 1)Dawson/Mawson suspect it will be Dawson,as Mawson seems destined for West Ham2)Clucas or another CM,3)Joe Byran would be a useful addition,young and versatile,can play left-back but also a capable left-sided midfielder or wing-back,Ward has been a great servant but he struggled to get forward towards the end of last season,and succession planning where possible should be achieved like with Charlie Taylor's signing.

I know some peeps would like another forward but as long as no-one exits we have adequate cover up front for now.

[KRBFC]

I am still being patient about the 4/5 signings that we need, but we seem to be sleepwalking into a big problem at cb. We are already at least 1 down. Ben has still not signed an extension and perhaps of even more concern, once Tarks proves his fitness, he is very likely to be in big demand (i.e. in Jan 2019). It is pretty obvious that Walker is not a cb and Tarky will replace him in the England team soon imo. I don't think we would apparently be after the quality of Mawson or Dawson, unless at least 1 of Tarks or Mee is likey to leave this season. CB is therefore our nr 1 priority in this window, followed by a proper nr 10.

Also, someone to put pressure on Lennon is important. CM is quite well covered, but the fitness of Defour worries me a lot.

I still think that the Board is not being flexible enough on waht it is prepared to pay for quality (I mean transfer fees and support keeping to a wage structure), as Sean has quite clearly said. The comment above that we have got transfer policy right every year for 7 years is not correct. We got relegated because of a pathetic attempt to provide cover in cm. I am not convinced that that lesson has been learnt, as evidenced by having only 3 cbs all last season and some rubbish about Taylor being a cb. Please don't bang on about we finished 7th so what is the problem. The issue is chance. The chances of never having Tarks and Mee our together for a second full season are about zero.

We look 2 or 3 injuries away from a disaster season, luckily we have 3 weeks left and I expect us to bring in 3 or 4.

[Spijed]

We look 2 or 3 injuries away from a disaster season, luckily we have 3 weeks left and I expect us to bring in 3 or 4.

Yes, lets hope the likes of Brady and Defour don't miss quite a few games and Kevin Long doesn't have to play much in the centre of defence!

[KRBFC]

Yes, lets hope the likes of Brady and Defour don't miss quite a few games and Kevin Long doesn't have to play much in the centre of defence!

I never mentioned Defour, we have adequate cover in central midfield so it wouldn't hurt us as much but yeah pluck 3 random names out to suit your point, let me flip this, if Mee, Tark and Lowton got injured, as it stands we'd be fooked. Like I said, means nothing, I expect us to bring in a few.

[Tall Paul]

I never mentioned Defour, we have adequate cover in central midfield so it wouldn't hurt us as much but yeah pluck 3 random names out to suit your point, let me flip this, if Mee, Tark and Lowton got injured, as it stands we'd be fooked. Like I said, means nothing, I expect us to bring in a few.

All three of those spent time out injured last season and we weren't "fooked".

[TVC15]

Yep but Mee, Tarks and Lowton all got injured last year. And Heaton and Ward. So all of our starting defence had pretty lengthy spells out.

If 3 of our first choice defence got injured at the same time that would be extremely unlucky and pretty difficult for most teams to cope with.
Look at the likes of West Ham, Everton, even Arsenal - much bigger teams than us. Who are they bringing in when they lose defenders ? Legs gone Jagielka, Holden, James Collins, dodgy keepers etc.
I think we will bring in a centre back but let’s not get our knickers in a twist pretending that everyone else has £20m defenders sat on the bench every week.

We had by far the worst season we have under Dyche last year for injuries and still finished 7th. If that does not tell you something about the improvements in the depth of our squad i’m not sure what does.

[Jakubclaret]

We are cringeworthy with our highlighting players within our transfer/pay structure and then once thats done making our approach and getting that deal over the line. I know we cant bankrupt the club but if this current manager has not proved his worth by deserving a "slight pushing the boat out" from his board and getting the quality player/players he wants/needs then no manager in our history will ever do it. Keep hearing world cup this and world cup that ? which players have we been linked to / can afford that have been involved in the world cup ? the players we are after have been sat with their agents at home watching the world cup on the telly. Thats the time to strike and get the deals done and get players in for pre season as these players have to buy into the managers team ethics / style of play and fitness level. We have never had the luxury like we did last season were we knew "around xmas time" we were not getting relegated and what have we done with that "advantage" ? nothing.
If we cant afford current premiership players then top level championship players of clubs not promoted should be seeked out like your Hendricks and Brady not play ping pong with west broms and notts forest of this world and get nowhere.

Just my opinion

Brian

Chin up Brian, we keep reading snippets in the newspapers & other media outlets (transfer rumours) ect, that the club are engaging & are interested in certain players, it’s not a bad thing to keep things under the radar & true to form how the club conducts his business, the hold up in my opinion are disparity in valuations & the need for chain clubs to obtain replacements, still plenty of time for things to materialise in terms of recruitment.

[s6t9a2f3f]

thanks pal the main issue/point though was for 7 months we have been lucky enough and in a rare position to know we were going to have another premiership season this season, we also knew there was a world cup in the summer, we also knew the transfer window was to close early in August unlike previous years of the 31st August. Instead of using that to plan and strike early realistic targets we are left "in the pack" 3/4 through july fighting for players and more than likely overpaying for them. Surely the way the season went last season the board and manager could have had various recruitment meetings say mid to late March - and get on with it.

Brian

[SGr]

Many truths in this post for me. Club remains very naïve when dealing with transfers and seems unwilling to expand our scouting network overseas so as to genuinely find value for money - something we’re incredible stubborn on. Mawson the only “new” target all window, tried and failed to land Dawson, Rodriguez and Clucas before (when they cost less than they do now).

We had a top class season last year, because of what happened ON the pitch. Our business last year still kicked off with being somehow unable to meet Hull’s valuation for Andy Robertson. Cork, as has been said elsewhere, was a real anomaly - as Swansea’s (and Hull’s before them) valuation of the inferior Clucas demonstrates.

I understand the desire to “not overpay” for signings, but when we’ve commanded fees of £18m for Gray, and £25m for Keane, it shouldn’t come as any surprise other clubs demand similar. And we’re between a rock and a hard place trying to find good value yet only focusing on domestic leagues. Weird really, given how much less Defour cost from Anderlecht than he would have here...

[Grimsdale]

All our recent big money (5 million plus) signings have been done in the last couple of weeks of the transfer window, and often right on the last day. Probably not ideal but that's how it works unless you're willing to accept the selling club's first offer and player's initial wage demands (in which case I have a house to sell that you might be interested in).
Still plenty of time yet, just chill.

[TVC15]

We did not fail to meet Hulls valuation for Robertson. As soon as the player got a sniff that Liverpool were interested we never stood a chance.

So some posters are saying Cork was an anomaly ? You can’t win - you pick up a bargain and the intimation is that we were lucky.
Was Tarks an anomaly ? Keane ? Lowton ? Westwood ? Other than Tarks did we not pick these up from Premier League clubs.

I am not pretending our transfer dealings are perfect. Clearly we have made some mistakes but we have made fewer mistakes than most (if not all) clubs in this league.

The facts are that it is just getting harder and harder to deal in this market. Clubs are making £20m signings for players most of us have never heard of.
Whilst the likes of Fulham and Wolves - 2 of the promoted clubs - have much bigger backers than us and are forking our £30m+ on players. The market has never been like this.

[Vegas Claret]

it seems most of you don't follow transfer news from other clubs, other than Cardiff and Newcastle I would say that every single team has strengthened both their starting 11 and squads. We need to do the same, nobody with an ounce of sense would suggest we would be pushing the top 6 again but it would be nice to once again be safe by Christmas. We absolutely require another 2 or 3 (minimum) of all of whom would be in serious contention for a starting place. I do expect us to get the players in but I do find it incredibly strange that we are once again leaving it until late in the window.

[bfcmik]

thanks pal the main issue/point though was for 7 months we have been lucky enough and in a rare position to know we were going to have another premiership season this season, we also knew there was a world cup in the summer, we also knew the transfer window was to close early in August unlike previous years of the 31st August. Instead of using that to plan and strike early realistic targets we are left "in the pack" 3/4 through july fighting for players and more than likely overpaying for them. Surely the way the season went last season the board and manager could have had various recruitment meetings say mid to late March - and get on with it.

Brian

And you don't believe that happened? I am sure that many approaches have been made. Unfortunately, unless you meet the often very inflated demands, such as WBA's for Dawson and Rodriguez, early in the market then you have to sit and wait them out. We have a policy of looking for players that fit the squad and SD's parameters. We are not just searching for players who are better than what we have, rather, we are seeking players who are better than what we already have AND have the right temperament and attributes as well.

[Wile E Coyote]

bit too harsh on the OP in my view, just making his point quite reasonably, and many of those criticising were all over the Lansbury rumours like flies not so long ago, so you've nowt to get all high and mighty about.

My feeling is the club as a whole will know exactly what's going on, board and coaching team all want what we want, and will be leaving no stone unturned in an effort to get things done to benefit the team. Nobody involved at the Turf wants anything other than more success. Keep the faith.

[Vegas Claret]

And you don't believe that happened? I am sure that many approaches have been made. Unfortunately, unless you meet the often very inflated demands, such as WBA's for Dawson and Rodriguez, early in the market then you have to sit and wait them out. We have a policy of looking for players that fit the squad and SD's parameters. We are not just searching for players who are better than what we have, rather, we are seeking players who are better than what we already have AND have the right temperament and attributes as well.

And do you honestly think we are the only club that sets that second criteria ?

[Bfcboyo]

We are cringeworthy with our highlighting players within our transfer/pay structure and then once thats done making our approach and getting that deal over the line. I know we cant bankrupt the club but if this current manager has not proved his worth by deserving a "slight pushing the boat out" from his board and getting the quality player/players he wants/needs then no manager in our history will ever do it. Keep hearing world cup this and world cup that ? which players have we been linked to / can afford that have been involved in the world cup ? the players we are after have been sat with their agents at home watching the world cup on the telly. Thats the time to strike and get the deals done and get players in for pre season as these players have to buy into the managers team ethics / style of play and fitness level. We have never had the luxury like we did last season were we knew "around xmas time" we were not getting relegated and what have we done with that "advantage" ? nothing.
If we cant afford current premiership players then top level championship players of clubs not promoted should be seeked out like your Hendricks and Brady not play ping pong with west broms and notts forest of this world and get nowhere.

Just my opinion

Brian

Just terrible isn't it. The progress has been an absolute joke in the last few years. They should let the fans decide who we buy!

[s6t9a2f3f]

Just terrible isn't it. The progress has been an absolute joke in the last few years. They should let the fans decide who we buy!

spot on pal with that word "progress" and you use progress blended with experience to get ahead of other teams and not be left 3/4 through July chasing players we have chased in previous windows like blind sheep. Progress finishing 7th and working/acting behind the scenes like a inexperienced rookie team.


Brian

[KRBFC]

All three of those spent time out injured last season and we weren't "fooked".

Yeah but I meant at the same time, it's all irrelevant anyway, we'll sign players.

[Bfcboyo]

spot on pal with that word "progress" and you use progress blended with experience to get ahead of other teams and not be left 3/4 through July chasing players we have chased in previous windows like blind sheep. Progress finishing 7th and working/acting behind the scenes like a inexperienced rookie team.


Brian

We are a rookie team. We are progressing farter than Bill Gates in his start up

[Bfcboyo]

GAZZA?

[superdimitri]

Has anyone visited the website to check is any job opportunities are open for scouts yet? is there a single player we’ve been linked with that even needed to be scouted?

Its stupid to leave business this late, by the time we sign someone it will be a few months before they even fit into the team well.

[Bfcboyo]

Panic panic panic panic panic.

Hold your nerve you bunch of tarts.

We finished 7th. Arfield and Marney left.

And what!

[quoonbeatz]

funny how the same people come back year after year to tell us how the club should do transfers despite clearly having no knowledge of how the club do transfers, nor how the market works in general.

every club makes mistakes, we're no different, but this frankly bizarre inference that they're just sat about waiting until the last week of the window to start trying to sort things out is exactly why the OP was largely laughed out of town.

[claretspice]

This summer has been a bit frustrating, no doubt about that, but I'd still say that cool heads are needed and a bit of patience.

I have at times been pretty critical of the club's approach in the market, particularly when we first came up under Dyche when we undoubtedly seemed to take parsimony to an extreme and make getting best value a necessity rather than a virtue. There's no way anyone can say 1 or 2 more players would definitely have kept us up that year, but its definitely fair to say that it would have given us more of a fighting chance.

But I think you've got to draw a distinction between those times, and more recent times. The last couple of summers have seen us spend significant sums of money, and last summer saw us do good business very early. Sure, the end of last summer was frustrating - especially the failure to bring in cover at centre back - but the willingness to spend good money was there, so it seems wrong to say the club won't spend. And generally, we've spent very well, signing good players who give us good service and fit in very well. Our strategy has had its shortcomings, but overall its clearly been a success since that first promotion season.

If anything, it would appear that the problem - if it one, because it is definitely a double edged sword - is that Dyche has very clear targets and once agreed with the board doesn't deviate from them. Given this, its probably no surprise that our targets this summer appear to be in some part players we've been linked with before but couldn't afford then - we're wealthier now, and more attractive, so why wouldn't those players now continue to make sense to us?

Perhaps you can argue that we could broaden our horizons a bit and bring in the odd overseas player to broaden the pool, but the fundamental strategy is pretty much inarguably, because its clearly the same one that has been incredibly successful over the past 3 years. Stay patient.

[BOYSIE31]

Have we spent last seasons budget yet !!!!

No didnt think so.

[BOYSIE31]

We did not fail to meet Hulls valuation for Robertson. As soon as the player got a sniff that Liverpool were interested we never stood a chance.

So some posters are saying Cork was an anomaly ? You can’t win - you pick up a bargain and the intimation is that we were lucky.
Was Tarks an anomaly ? Keane ? Lowton ? Westwood ? Other than Tarks did we not pick these up from Premier League clubs.

I am not pretending our transfer dealings are perfect. Clearly we have made some mistakes but we have made fewer mistakes than most (if not all) clubs in this league.

The facts are that it is just getting harder and harder to deal in this market. Clubs are making £20m signings for players most of us have never heard of.
Whilst the likes of Fulham and Wolves - 2 of the promoted clubs - have much bigger backers than us and are forking our £30m+ on players. The market has never been like this.

Mistakes ??

I give you Wells / Bardsley / Walters - not one would get in any other premier league team and how much did they play last season and how much have they cost for wages and the fee for Wells ?

[claretonthecoast1882]

Mistakes ??

I give you Wells / Bardsley / Walters - not one would get in any other premier league team and how much did they play last season and how much have they cost for wages and the fee for Wells ?

Do you ever read your own posts back to yourself and think - give it a f'in rest

[quoonbeatz]

wells - kept out of the team by our forwards playing well
bardsley - provided good, experienced cover when lowton got injured
walters - got injured early on

none of them were mistakes.

[BOYSIE31]

Do you ever read your own posts back to yourself and think - give it a f'in rest

no not really do you

[BOYSIE31]

wells - kept out of the team by our forwards playing well
bardsley - provided good, experienced cover when lowton got injured
walters - got injured early on

none of them were mistakes.

Yes they were - panic signings

[Lancasterclaret]

I'm reading Boysies posts and I really do have to check that we qualified for Europe by virtue of our league position.

Quite bizarre.

[Spijed]

Mistakes ??

I give you Wells / Bardsley / Walters - not one would get in any other premier league team and how much did they play last season and how much have they cost for wages and the fee for Wells ?

Bardsley? He would get into a number of sides below us, especially as he's played almost his entire career at this level.

Name any other club and there will be plenty of players that haven't worked out.

[claretspice]

Mistakes ??

I give you Wells / Bardsley / Walters - not one would get in any other premier league team and how much did they play last season and how much have they cost for wages and the fee for Wells ?

You aren't familiar with the concept of a "squad", then?