Brexit Food Shortages

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Wed Jul 25, 2018 11:40 am

Some comments on the EU and UK filings for WTO rules from an American journalist

https://twitter.com/bbaschuk/status/1021869965539008518" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Wed Jul 25, 2018 11:42 am

The Government have issued plans to form a loyalty scheme to Brexit. Food rations will be decided on how many points you have.

Voting Brexit 5k points.
Sticking up for Brexit on forums 10 points per post
Sticking up for Brexit on Twitter 20 points with Hashtags.

The Brexit boys will be just dandy. Food all round for us.

kentonclaret · Post by **kentonclaret** » Wed Jul 25, 2018 11:46 am

Jacob Rees Mogg cannot understand the panic, his wine cellar is fully stocked with the best French wines and his fridge is overflowing with the finest cheeses and continental meats.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Wed Jul 25, 2018 11:46 am

Michael oleary CEO of Ryan Air claimed that planes wouldn't fly when we leave the EU!

Recently the uppity little imp he was "Ryanair's Michael O'Leary threatens to ground planes after Brexit to make voters 'rethink' withdrawal"

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/0 ... exit-make/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Just think about that a foreign born millionaire threatening to use his position to try and change the course of the biggest single expression of democracy the UK has witnessed. Simply because he can't accept the result.! He needs to have a "rethink"

And it's only very recently that this bully agreed to recognise unions

"Ryanair reaches 'historic' deal with UK pilots' union. Airline’s agreement with Balpa follows years of hostility towards organised labour"

https://amp.theguardian.com/business/20 ... 20%251%24s" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Typical Remoaner, wanting a large pool of cheap foreign labour to exploit.

But karma is a funny old thing

"Ryan air warns over job cuts for 100 pilots and plans to slash its Dublin fleet of aircraft"

https://www.mirror.co.uk/money/ryanair- ... s-12976137" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Michael "I'll make them rethink" oleary. Just an Irish Mike Ashley.

RocketLawnChair · Post by **RocketLawnChair** » Wed Jul 25, 2018 11:47 am

So now they are now going to make it difficult to import food to potentially 80 million customers. Must have more money than sense this lot. It would probably cost the nations of the EU more to prop up the humanitarian crisis it could cause.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Jul 25, 2018 11:49 am

Spectacular not getting the point RLC if you don't mind me saying.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Wed Jul 25, 2018 11:53 am

aggi wrote:Some comments on the EU and UK filings for WTO rules from an American journalist

https://twitter.com/bbaschuk/status/1021869965539008518" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

It seems the EU will have bigger problems than us, as they have to give more away to allow for our market not being part of their deal.

Maybe they don't hold all the cards as some oh here seem to think.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Wed Jul 25, 2018 11:56 am

aggi wrote:Some comments on the EU and UK filings for WTO rules from an American journalist

https://twitter.com/bbaschuk/status/1021869965539008518" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

This is what the actually head of the WTO said.

No EU-UK deal? It is not the end of the world', says WTO chief.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/20 ... -head-wto/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Jul 25, 2018 11:59 am

WTO expert for Bloomberg on the radio at the moment.

Well worth a listen for those of you who happen to think this is ace.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Jul 25, 2018 12:04 pm

This is what he said about it this morning

*WARNING- CONTAINS FACTS THAT DON'T SUIT THE BREXIT NARRATIVE*

https://twitter.com/bbaschuk/status/1021869965539008518" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

gtclaret · Post by **gtclaret** » Wed Jul 25, 2018 12:09 pm

houseboy wrote:I know and I can't for the life in me fathom out why he would make such a ridiculous prediction. No one in this world can make a 50 year economic forecast. I'm willing to bet that in 50 years the EU itself will be a distant memory.

That's a point often missed. It's not just the UK dissatisfaction with the EU is rife amongst many states. The EU is a highly currupt, bullying dishonest organisation that needs to change, but won't, not yet anyway. Big business within the EU will force an agreement, despite what the bonehead politicians say, no deal is not possible

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Wed Jul 25, 2018 12:12 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:WTO expert for Bloomberg on the radio at the moment.

Well worth a listen for those of you who happen to think this is ace.

*WARNING- CONTAINS FACTS THAT DON'T SUIT THE REMOANER NARRATIVE*

" There is a window of opportunity for both the EU and the UK to come out of this relatively UNSCATHED"

WTO expert for Bloomberg, LBC radio station 12.15, 25th July 2018.

So all the UTC message board Henny Penny's can becalm themselves.

The sky is not going to fall in.....

(Now back to the thought provoking, courteous and non bullying, George Galloway on Talkradio. Id forgotten just how painful listening to the dweller of the metropolitan London borough of ivory towers, chardonnay communist, Obrain is!)

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Wed Jul 25, 2018 12:16 pm

gtclaret wrote:That's a point often missed. It's not just the UK dissatisfaction with the EU is rife amongst many states. The EU is a highly currupt, bullying dishonest organisation that needs to change, but won't, not yet anyway. Big business within the EU will force an agreement, despite what the bonehead politicians say, no deal is not possible

Absolutely. See my post about why a deal must be struck if the EU is not to be left looking bullying and power crazed.

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Wed Jul 25, 2018 12:18 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:It seems the EU will have bigger problems than us, as they have to give more away to allow for our market not being part of their deal.

Maybe they don't hold all the cards as some oh here seem to think.

I must admit, my takeaway from that was this was the most concerning part:

If dispute settlement proceedings transpire, it would cast a shadow of uncertainty over the UK's trade commitments for years and a decision may never be rendered if the U.S. continues to block the appointment of @wto appellate body members.

rather than the EU may have to give a little more access to its markets. It also isn't just the EU who will have to negotiate with the other countries to try and keep them in the same position, it's the UK as well (hence the proposals for the shared quotas) and I'm not convinced that we. as one country, are in a stronger negotiation position than a block of 27 countries.

It's not ideal for anyone but we're taking the issues on one country whereas the EU at least get to spread the pain between 27 countries.

CoolClaret · Post by **CoolClaret** » Wed Jul 25, 2018 12:19 pm

The same 'political experts' that predicted that tbe Brexit vote wouldn't win, that Trump had a '0% chance of winning' the presidential election....

And you wonder why people are skeptical of the 'experts'....

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Wed Jul 25, 2018 12:40 pm

"Just completed my registration for TUC annual Congress in September. Had to sign a disclaimer pledging not to offend anyone; then asked to confirm my gender identity(!), biological sex, ethnic group and sexual orientation. Should be a smashing week of obsessive identity politics."

Paul Embery firebrigade union.

https://mobile.twitter.com/PaulEmbery/s ... gr%5Etweet" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

How out of touch with normal people is the Left?

KateR · Post by **KateR** » Wed Jul 25, 2018 12:43 pm

Doomed I tell thee, Doomed!! I remember queuing with my ration book just before we went in to Europe, had never seen a banana before except in pictures, don't get me started on Avocados and peaches, ohhh the folly of it, we will soon be back in the dark days, gruel and rationing books. Still Scotland with there porridge stand to make a killing selling it to the poor English people.

I feel sorry for the EU's staying mostly though, I mean where will they get a baguette and cheese from just for starters?

KateR · Post by **KateR** » Wed Jul 25, 2018 12:46 pm

CoolClaret wrote:The same 'political experts' that predicted that tbe Brexit vote wouldn't win, that Trump had a '0% chance of winning' the presidential election....

And you wonder why people are skeptical of the 'experts'....

are those the same political experts on here that you are talking about because I read all those predictions here, followed by many trying to follow up boldly claiming Trump wont last year and that we will have a second Brexit. I mean most of us are lost without there leadership because we are unable to think for ourselves and hold opinions, which might be contradictory to there gospel!

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Jul 25, 2018 12:53 pm

Having opinions based on no facts is more than a bit weird though. Its almost like you are unwilling to hear anything that might change your deeply held opinions.

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Wed Jul 25, 2018 12:54 pm

KateR wrote:Doomed I tell thee, Doomed!! I remember queuing with my ration book just before we went in to Europe, had never seen a banana before except in pictures, don't get me started on Avocados and peaches, ohhh the folly of it, we will soon be back in the dark days, gruel and rationing books. Still Scotland with there porridge stand to make a killing selling it to the poor English people.

I feel sorry for the EU's staying mostly though, I mean where will they get a baguette and cheese from just for starters?

Agree, to be self sustainable & more efficient we need to produce & source more domestically, whether that's boycotting foreign products or intensifying farming I'm not sure probably a combination I guess.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Wed Jul 25, 2018 12:56 pm

aggi wrote:I must admit, my takeaway from that was this was the most concerning part:

If dispute settlement proceedings transpire, it would cast a shadow of uncertainty over the UK's trade commitments for years and a decision may never be rendered if the U.S. continues to block the appointment of @wto appellate body members.

rather than the EU may have to give a little more access to its markets. It also isn't just the EU who will have to negotiate with the other countries to try and keep them in the same position, it's the UK as well (hence the proposals for the shared quotas) and I'm not convinced that we. as one country, are in a stronger negotiation position than a block of 27 countries.

It's not ideal for anyone but we're taking the issues on one country whereas the EU at least get to spread the pain between 27 countries.

There's lots of uncertainty everywhere around the world at the moment with Brexit, Trump, Syria, Russian Oil and China. We have chance to shape it how we would like. I already knew about the risks for the UK.

The twitter feed reminded me how much the EU will suffer though.
15 billion less every year (rough figure)
1000s of job losses through no trade with us.
Losing a prize asset (our rich market) for selling trade deals.

We're only one country but we don't have to financially support 20 others like Germany do (I mean the EU).

Back to 50/50 in interests for securing a decent deal for both sides.

AndrewJB · Post by **AndrewJB** » Wed Jul 25, 2018 12:58 pm

houseboy wrote:Absolutely. See my post about why a deal must be struck if the EU is not to be left looking bullying and power crazed.

It's not a matter of the EU looking bullying and power crazed. Any deal has to be passed by twenty-seven different countries. All it takes is one country to withdraw consent. Spain could do that over Gibraltar. Germany France or the Netherlands over us taking back control of our railways or utilities. Portugal over fishing rights. In the EU Britain had clout, but outside of it much less so.

And look at our government. They are ideologically wedded to the idea of free markets and deregulation. A no deal Brexit suddenly opens the UK up to needing a lot more regulation, and in the beginning at least a heavily planned economy (if we are to avoid shortages). Those Tories who welcome a no deal Brexit are counting on the EU respecting WHO rules (absolutely no guarantee of this), but what they really want is the chaos that comes to the economy. Their "solution" to this chaos will be a re-ordering of things. Getting rid of regulations that stand in the way of business like parental leave, overtime, holidays, minimum wages, corporation tax.

Brexit is the stupidest thing we've ever done.

The Enclosure · Post by **The Enclosure** » Wed Jul 25, 2018 12:59 pm

Will it affect Twixes?

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Jul 25, 2018 1:00 pm

I know it sounds impossible, but they will become even more expensive.

Guich · Post by **Guich** » Wed Jul 25, 2018 1:01 pm

I voted remain and probably (not definitely) would again if asked.

But I can't decide which is the worst guaranteed outcome of the leave vote: the next world war or us all starving to death.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Wed Jul 25, 2018 1:01 pm

AndrewJB wrote:It's not a matter of the EU looking bullying and power crazed. Any deal has to be passed by twenty-seven different countries. All it takes is one country to withdraw consent. Spain could do that over Gibraltar. Germany France or the Netherlands over us taking back control of our railways or utilities. Portugal over fishing rights. In the EU Britain had clout, but outside of it much less so.

And look at our government. They are ideologically wedded to the idea of free markets and deregulation. A no deal Brexit suddenly opens the UK up to needing a lot more regulation, and in the beginning at least a heavily planned economy (if we are to avoid shortages). Those Tories who welcome a no deal Brexit are counting on the EU respecting WHO rules (absolutely no guarantee of this), but what they really want is the chaos that comes to the economy. Their "solution" to this chaos will be a re-ordering of things. Getting rid of regulations that stand in the way of business like parental leave, overtime, holidays, minimum wages, corporation tax.

Brexit is the stupidest thing we've ever done.

Andrew, the Tories will be voted out after Brexit is complete so I wouldn't worry about your regulations going.

RocketLawnChair · Post by **RocketLawnChair** » Wed Jul 25, 2018 1:02 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Spectacular not getting the point RLC if you don't mind me saying.

Don't mind you saying that at all LC based on I haven't read a single other post or any of the related articles, Just thought id join in like.

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Wed Jul 25, 2018 1:04 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:I know it sounds impossible, but they will become even more expensive.

Not if you cut out the imports, certain people will always want to buy certain products but will come with a premium price not to dissimilar to now really.

Somethingfishy · Post by **Somethingfishy** » Wed Jul 25, 2018 1:05 pm

CnBtruntru wrote:If you want bananas, I'll smuggle you some from Ireland, but they'll cost you

If we get non EU bananas does that mean they can be any angle or shape again?

That's why i voted leave lets face it..

Somethingfishy · Post by **Somethingfishy** » Wed Jul 25, 2018 1:10 pm

Guich wrote:I voted remain and probably (not definitely) would again if asked.

But I can't decide which is the worst guaranteed outcome of the leave vote: the next world war or us all starving to death.

Am i reading that correctly?? There will be a world war because we voted leave..and it's guaranteed?

I have seen some ridiculous statements by remoaners but that is the best yet!

Guich · Post by **Guich** » Wed Jul 25, 2018 1:10 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:Andrew, the Tories will be voted out after Brexit is complete so I wouldn't worry about your regulations going.

I don't think there will be another General Election until 2022. Which gives the Tories time to recover, and the Labour party time to get a proper leader and front bench. That would be good, but I don't think the Labour party can oust the fringe element, which is currently in control, in time.

So I have an uneasy feeling we may have another decade or so of Tory rule.

I can't remember the last time we had two such unelectable leaders. May has shown she is good at detail but couldn't lead a conga, while Corbyn is just a protestor. There's a part of me thinks it'd be worth watching if he had 12 months in control, but from a distance.

It's time your lot got properly organised Lancs.

Guich · Post by **Guich** » Wed Jul 25, 2018 1:11 pm

Somethingfishy wrote:Am i reading that correctly?? There will be a world war because we voted leave..and it's guaranteed?

I have seen some ridiculous statements by remoaners by that is the best yet!

It is a bit fishy for sure - but I'm sure I heard it mentioned somewhere

Guich · Post by **Guich** » Wed Jul 25, 2018 1:13 pm

Guich wrote:It is a bit fishy for sure - but I'm sure I heard it mentioned somewhere

and the 'guaranteed' bit is my own hyperbole

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Wed Jul 25, 2018 1:15 pm

Guich wrote:I voted remain and probably (not definitely) would again if asked.

But I can't decide which is the worst guaranteed outcome of the leave vote: the next world war or us all starving to death.

A new level of headless chickenary has just been reached!

Good effort!!!

Somethingfishy · Post by **Somethingfishy** » Wed Jul 25, 2018 1:20 pm

Guich wrote:and the 'guaranteed' bit is my own hyperbole

I apologise as i attributed it to a wild statement by yourself. It doesn't surprise me that it has been said though..no depths to which the scaremongering will go from remoaners. All i see when i think of a remoaner..is a child..bottom lip out shouting "it's not fair". That is what it amounts to. We all need to pull together instead of just under half of us sulking. Nobody said it would be easy in the short term and the EU are not meeting us in the middle. Did anybody expect them to? It is why just over half of us wanted to leave in the first place.

Guich · Post by **Guich** » Wed Jul 25, 2018 1:21 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:

A new level of headless chickenary has just been reached!

Good effort!!!

Thanks

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Wed Jul 25, 2018 1:24 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Having opinions based on no facts is more than a bit weird though. Its almost like you are unwilling to hear anything that might change your deeply held opinions.

"Lancasterclaret wrote:. There are going to be shortages of everything."

Isn't the above statement you, "Having opinions based on no facts and more than a bit weird" LancasterClaret!?

Hoist by your own petard old boy!

Guich · Post by **Guich** » Wed Jul 25, 2018 1:24 pm

Somethingfishy wrote:I apologise as i attributed it to a wild statement by yourself. It doesn't surprise me that it has been said though..no depths to which the scaremongering will go from remoaners. All i see when i think of a remoaner..is a child..bottom lip out shouting "it's not fair". That is what it amounts to. We all need to pull together instead of just under half of us sulking.

No probs SF.

I know some people on both sides of the argument feel very strongly, but falling out over this, as in politics, is rather daft.

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Wed Jul 25, 2018 1:25 pm

I stopped reading at "Alistair Campbell"

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Wed Jul 25, 2018 1:25 pm

Guich wrote:Thanks

You're welcome you silly clucker!

burnleymik · Post by **burnleymik** » Wed Jul 25, 2018 1:26 pm

The worrying thing about a lot of this is how quickly the majority of the MSM are prepared to push EU propaganda and how quickly the ones who want to believe it, swallow it and regurgitate whole.

Clearly we are being told the worst case scenarios and being fed them as though this is what will actually happen.

basil6345789 · Post by **basil6345789** » Wed Jul 25, 2018 1:28 pm

Siddo - Alistair who?

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Wed Jul 25, 2018 1:29 pm

Damo wrote:I stopped reading at "Alistair Campbell"

S'funny that. When Alistair Campbell begins talking, he stops thinking and starts lying.....

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Wed Jul 25, 2018 1:37 pm

We are leaving the EU, it isn't the end of the world. The sun will still rise and set post Brexit.
If anyone is seriously worried about rationing, I suggest they stock pile rusks and pampers first.

There is drivel and then drivel, but the mass hysteria is pathetic. At least Remainers are in the last chance saloon
If this latest bout of scare mongering doesn't work, they are well and truly ******.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Wed Jul 25, 2018 1:39 pm

Somethingfishy wrote:I apologise as i attributed it to a wild statement by yourself. It doesn't surprise me that it has been said though..no depths to which the scaremongering will go from remoaners. All i see when i think of a remoaner..is a child..bottom lip out shouting "it's not fair". That is what it amounts to. We all need to pull together instead of just under half of us sulking. Nobody said it would be easy in the short term and the EU are not meeting us in the middle. Did anybody expect them to? It is why just over half of us wanted to leave in the first place.

Top post.

End the thread here. No more to be said.

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Wed Jul 25, 2018 2:07 pm

burnleymik wrote:The worrying thing about a lot of this is how quickly the majority of the MSM are prepared to push EU propaganda and how quickly the ones who want to believe it, swallow it and regurgitate whole.

Clearly we are being told the worst case scenarios and being fed them as though this is what will actually happen.

Didn't this come about due to a UK government paper on preparing for a No-deal Brexit and questions asked yesterday by one Brexit MP to another Brexit MP?

NCClaret · Post by **NCClaret** » Wed Jul 25, 2018 2:20 pm

Scaremongering has been tried before the referendum to deliver a Remain vote and is clearly being done now.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b ... t-24072018#" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ... from 5m 40 ... a Remain voice in the Govt; " ... wants to scare people witless ..." referring to the latest tactics on stockpiling etc. Not on ... not good ... it won't work

JohnMcGreal · Post by **JohnMcGreal** » Wed Jul 25, 2018 2:24 pm

Somethingfishy wrote:I apologise as i attributed it to a wild statement by yourself. It doesn't surprise me that it has been said though..no depths to which the scaremongering will go from remoaners. All i see when i think of a remoaner..is a child..bottom lip out shouting "it's not fair". That is what it amounts to. We all need to pull together instead of just under half of us sulking. Nobody said it would be easy in the short term and the EU are not meeting us in the middle. Did anybody expect them to?It is why just over half of us wanted to leave in the first place.

Yes, some Leave campaigners and voters said, amongst dozens of other baseless lies, that it will be one of the 'easiest deals in history' to make, and even more people said the EU would be 'bending over backwards to do a deal with us', because of BMW's and Prosecco.

Also, how will everyone 'pulling together' make any difference to the outcome of this fiasco? If every single Remainer suddenly signed up to the Brexit cult, would the government suddenly discover some competence from somewhere? Will that be the point when the EU bends over backwards for us?

This has nothing to do with people not pulling together, and everything to do with Brexit being an idiotic idea from day one, and the whole of parliament being unable to agree on a way to execute it without causing mild or serious harm to the country.

claretandy · Post by **claretandy** » Wed Jul 25, 2018 2:27 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:*WARNING- CONTAINS FACTS THAT DON'T SUIT THE REMOANER NARRATIVE*

" There is a window of opportunity for both the EU and the UK to come out of this relatively UNSCATHED"

WTO expert for Bloomberg, LBC radio station 12.15, 25th July 2018.

So all the UTC message board Henny Penny's can becalm themselves.

The sky is not going to fall in.....

(Now back to the thought provoking, courteous and non bullying, George Galloway on Talkradio. Id forgotten just how painful listening to the dweller of the metropolitan London borough of ivory towers, chardonnay communist, Obrain is!)

Did you hear O'Bigot trying to get the guy to say something outrageous just so he could sell more tickets for the ghost train, thankfully the guy was having none of it.

AndrewJB · Post by **AndrewJB** » Wed Jul 25, 2018 2:31 pm

Somethingfishy wrote:I apologise as i attributed it to a wild statement by yourself. It doesn't surprise me that it has been said though..no depths to which the scaremongering will go from remoaners. All i see when i think of a remoaner..is a child..bottom lip out shouting "it's not fair". That is what it amounts to. We all need to pull together instead of just under half of us sulking. Nobody said it would be easy in the short term and the EU are not meeting us in the middle. Did anybody expect them to? It is why just over half of us wanted to leave in the first place.

Short term? Jacob Rees Mogg has said it could take fifty years for Britain to see the benefits of leaving the EU. Even if he's wrong by half the time that's still not short term. You can insult people all you want, but that won't change the very real issues facing the country as a result of the referendum. One of which is this idea of pulling together. Good luck with that, as the country is now more divided than it ever was before. You won't get an ounce of effort from me to help you push the country over the side of a cliff.