Dyche interview on sky

[ClaretAndJew]

Here's an interesting question though:

How can we, a semi established PL club, be in this position anyway? Knowing our early season start since May, we've not made any clear headway into improving the squad.

[CombatClaret]

The 4/1 on relegation is starting to look very tempting..

I get the feeling some would rather bet their ticket money against us than actually turn up and support the club. Shame

[dsr]

I was referring to our business during the transfer window, which closes in 9 business days. We'll be entitled to judge whether we've had a good window or not once the window closes. Im not sure what relevance our past transfer record is to that, nor our early season form.

Ive been extremely patient this summer and i dont believe in judging the window before it's over. But as ive just said on another thread, right now its hard to be confident we're not in danger of making necessities out of virtues and cocking this up royally. We'll see.

And what will that judgement be worth? Suppose that it is universally agreed that we haven't had a good transfer window. So what? We shrug our shoulders and move on. We've had a succession of very successful transfer windows throughout Sean Dyche's reign, as our current league position proves. If we have a bad one, so be it. You wouldn't call out a star player for a single bad game; why would you call out Sean Dyche for one bad window?

[Claretuk]

Don't worry Crouch is on the way n any other 37+yr old who wants his final pay day before he hangs up his boots.. so don't worry guys we will get the numbers up literally..

[levraiclaret]

I think Salary issues will be our downfall. Fulham rumoured to be offering 80k a week to Masson.

How much are they offering Mawson?

[agreenwood]

He was saying in his CP interview that they arranged the preseason game schedule in the hope that we’d have made signings by now.

Clearly they weren’t anticipating having a paper thin squad at this stage.

[CrosspoolClarets]

Each summer Dyche has ran the risk of not getting players in using his very stringent criteria (which is him, not the board). Usually it has worked. I am prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Currently we are stronger than probably ever before. Some players are improved (Lowton, Tarks, Barnes etc). Some are in a first full season (Lennon).

It didn’t take a genius to know West Brom would stuff us again, and that some would gamble big on players like Mawson. I would like to think we have contingency options, but even if not we have a strong side, though light on numbers.

The only time I will criticise is if he starts playing weaker players in the Europa as a result, but so far that has not occurred.

[CombatClaret]

Here's an interesting question though:

How can we, a semi established PL club, be in this position anyway? Knowing our early season start since May, we've not made any clear headway into improving the squad.

Just because we start early doesn't meant the market will move up it#s timescale for us. We're the kind of club which if we offer money an agent will likely hold off to see who else comes knocking, we don't have the financial clout to seal a deal early.

Several new managers are buying players from previous clubs/leagues they have relationships/experience with, that can't be applied to Burnley & Dyche.

[levraiclaret]

Here's an interesting question though:

How can we, a semi established PL club, be in this position anyway? Knowing our early season start since May, we've not made any clear headway into improving the squad.

Because for a club of our standing and location, deals occur at the last minute.

[JohnMac]

It was once said The Beatles were more popular than Jesus.

They weren't.

Don't believe everything you read or hear.

[gandhisflipflop]

Heaton, Lowton, Taylor, Cork, Tarkowski, Mee, Gudmondsson, Vokes, Barnes, Wood, Brady, Hendrick, Defour, Westwood, Ward, Lennon, Long, Pope.

Are you saying they were all bad signings? Not even one or two gems among them? Tell me which of those are the failures, and estimate where in the league we would have finished if our recruitment team had done their job.

I'm not having a go at the players we are targeting. I am having a go at how hard work we make things for ourselves time and time again. The players identified by Dyche are good players. The process of getting those players in is the problem. A lot of those players we faced little competition to sign.

[Stockbrokerbelt]

Do we all think it’s only Burnley, Dyche & our recruitment team who are struggling to sign players? Take one look at slapped arse face moaning that Manure are struggling to get the players he wants or Man City failing to land the lad from Napoli, football fees are false at the moment & can’t stay at this level as only a few wealthy owners will carry on putting money into greedy agents & players pockets. We only need to see the finances of clubs who are run as a loss making entertity for the mega rich, ask Malaga fans if they would want the Saudi royals in charge again.

[IanMcL]

The larger the transfer fee, the larger the wages negotiated by the agent. Best to try and keep the first in reasonable bounds, to limit the 2nd.

However, if 2 clubs are in for a player, who knows what can happen?

We may end up paying over the odds for a couple of our targets, in the end, or not. Time produces the answers

[claretspice]

And what will that judgement be worth? Suppose that it is universally agreed that we haven't had a good transfer window. So what? We shrug our shoulders and move on. We've had a succession of very successful transfer windows throughout Sean Dyche's reign, as our current league position proves. If we have a bad one, so be it. You wouldn't call out a star player for a single bad game; why would you call out Sean Dyche for one bad window?

No idea whats rattled your cage, DSR.

This is a mesaageboard, for airing opinions on Burnley Football Club. Its not about calling out Dyche, or indeed anyone else.

The trouble is, a bad window isn't like one bad game. A bad window isn't just something we xam shrug and make light of. One very bad window and we risk both relegation this season, and a much bigger rebuilding job next summer if we get a couple of contract rebels. All of which would appear highly unnecessary and avoidable given our league position and financial status.

[CombatClaret]

A lot of those players we faced little competition to sign.

Most of those were Championship players, which some now use as a derogatory term.

If we are demanding Premier League names, for those we will face competition.

[Spijed]

As has been said, part of the issue seems to be that Dyche is very particular in the type of player he signs which means the number of available targets will be small.

Nixon thinks that Dyche is a stubborn bugger -see Dawson & Jay-Rod as prime examples.

Not necessarily the fault of the board if that's the case.

[dsr]

But now the we are demanding Premier League names and for those we will face competition.

The point I was answering wasn't arguing whether or not signing players is harder now. Ghandisflipflop was arguing that the recruitment team was a bunch of complete jokers; the quality of the sgnings they made suggests (to me) that Dyche and his team know what they're doing.

[KRBFC]

Fees and wages in prem and championship getting too much now. It could be a positive thing if managers like dyche look to buy prospects from lower down the leagues and give them a chance.

Yes a real positive if we sign a bunch of lower league players who are playing in the lower leagues for a reason, we'll ultimately be relegated without doubt but a real positive.

[KRBFC]

I expect he was using a phrase 'gone somewhere else' not as a literal 'has already been signed by'.
For example the Mawson deal, we could have been quite far along, terms agreed, to quote Dyche 'everyone says yes yes yes' but then Fulham step in and pull the carpet out from under us and he's 'gone somewhere else' in our eyes.
This could apply to nearly anyone we've been linked with.

Well what do we expect? we move at snails pace and allow clubs to swoop on our targets, the deals should be signed and done on the targets before the agents get chance to ring around other clubs and try start a bidding war. Nixon said Swansea wanted £18M for Mawson a few weeks ago, did Dyche want him? well we should have bought him then, it takes how long to get a contract signed? It's hilarious how teams suddenly manage to sign up players quickly in the final few hours of the transfer window yet faff around for the 3 months before that. Urgency required..

[Devils_Advocate]

The point I was answering wasn't arguing whether or not signing players is harder now. Ghandisflipflop was arguing that the recruitment team was a bunch of complete jokers; the quality of the sgnings they made suggests (to me) that Dyche and his team know what they're doing.

I think the fact that Dyche and his team managed to recruit Long, Vokes and Mee years before he even became Burnley manager just proves your point of how talented they must be

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Yes a real positive if we sign a bunch of lower league players who are playing in the lower leagues for a reason, we'll ultimately be relegated without doubt but a real positive.

Pope, Heaton, JBG were all recently relegated to league one when we signed them originally weren't they?

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Well what do we expect? we move at snails pace and allow clubs to swoop on our targets, the deals should be signed and done on the targets before the agents get chance to ring around other clubs and try start a bidding war. Nixon said Swansea wanted £18M for Mawson a few weeks ago, did Dyche want him? well we should have bought him then, it takes how long to get a contract signed? It's hilarious how teams suddenly manage to sign up players quickly in the final few hours of the transfer window yet faff around for the 3 months before that. Urgency required..

You're mental aren't you?
Sometimes it's the clubs who hawk their players around to drive up the price, sometimes it's the agents.

Some clubs just pay whatever the asking fee is, some don't.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Do we all think it’s only Burnley, Dyche & our recruitment team who are struggling to sign players? Take one look at slapped arse face moaning that Manure are struggling to get the players he wants or Man City failing to land the lad from Napoli, football fees are false at the moment & can’t stay at this level as only a few wealthy owners will carry on putting money into greedy agents & players pockets. We only need to see the finances of clubs who are run as a loss making entertity for the mega rich, ask Malaga fans if they would want the Saudi royals in charge again.

I don't think you're allowed to mention clubs that lose money.

Plus the rising fees for players and agents doesn't seem to be slowing down anytime soon.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Here's an interesting question though:

How can we, a semi established PL club, be in this position anyway? Knowing our early season start since May, we've not made any clear headway into improving the squad.

This is a great question.

[CombatClaret]

Well what do we expect? we move at snails pace and allow clubs to swoop on our targets, the deals should be signed and done on the targets before the agents get chance to ring around other clubs and try start a bidding war. Nixon said Swansea wanted £18M for Mawson a few weeks ago, did Dyche want him? well we should have bought him then, it takes how long to get a contract signed? It's hilarious how teams suddenly manage to sign up players quickly in the final few hours of the transfer window yet faff around for the 3 months before that. Urgency required..

Urgency on both parties is needed. It's well known we are cautious in our dealing which has gotten us this far. We are not known for our financial strength, who's to say if we offered the advertised (normally over inflated) price they wouldn't hold off 'Well If Burnely are willing to pay £XXX I wonder how much more we can get?".

We have no rich backers and sorry to say we are not fashionable despite having a very highly though of manager.
And agents are agents, as soon as we put in an offer they will be picking up the phone, it's their job and they do it well. Hell I'd be surprised if they weren't calling us first.

[CombatClaret]

This is a great question.

And this is a great answer.

Just because we start early doesn't meant the market will move up it#s timescale for us. We're the kind of club which if we offer money an agent will likely hold off to see who else comes knocking, we don't have the financial clout to seal a deal early.

Several new managers are buying players from previous clubs/leagues they have relationships/experience with, that can't be applied to Burnley & Dyche.

[ksrclaret]

Really pathetic interview actually. Heard it all before.

Did he mention Ross McCormack?

[Paul Waine]

Yes you may be right but surely if the same thing keeps happening again and again something is wrong with tbe current business model. Why even target these players when the man in the street can tell you what kind of wages these wages these players are going to be wanting.

Hi Cleveleys, what is Mike Garlick's business - when he's not Chairman and largest shareholder in Burnley FC?

Mike Garlick owns and runs a global recruitment business.

So, what does that mean for Burnley's approach to player recruitment?

I'm pretty sure the Club know what wages players are on when they target them. I'm pretty sure the approach isn't "come and play for Burnley - and we will pay you less than you are currently on." (Different rules, of course, for players coming to the end of their playing career...).

Who knows, maybe what is happening is player/agent saying to other clubs "I've got an offer from Burnley" and the other club(s) are thinking, if you are good enough for Burnley then tell us what wage we need to beat and we will see if we can beat it...

However, I'm also pretty sure that "the man in the street" doesn't know enough to know what is happening, never mind to know "the wages players are going to be wanting."

[Murger]

2 things:

1) The closer to deadline day we get, the more desperate we are and the higher the prices will become.

2) If we fail to sign nobody in this window, come January, prices will be sky high again.

It really is time the recruitment/negotiating team pulled their fingers out.

[Pearcey]

2 things:

1) The closer to deadline day we get, the more desperate we are and the higher the prices will become.

2) If we fail to sign nobody in this window, come January, prices will be sky high again.

It really is time the recruitment/negotiating team pulled their fingers out.

Or...... the closer to deadline day we get, the more desperate the selling club are to sell.

[ksrclaret]

I can see you bringing loans in possibly.

... and then left to rot on the bench for 6 months before being recalled in January. Fingers crossed eh.

[paulus the woodgnome]

I've got an offer from Burnley. I'll wait to the end of the window to see if another club offers me more.

[KRBFC]

Pope, Heaton, JBG were all recently relegated to league one when we signed them originally weren't they?

They weren't lower league players, they did well in the Championship in poor sides. A little different to signing players based in League One/Two.

[Silkyskills1]

I can see you bringing loans in possibly.

If you care to re-read that statement it doesn't make sense. Very little of what you post on here ever has and apparently you 'can't be arsed' if research is required to support your argument.

[Vegas Claret]

******* shambolic

[Vegas Claret]

No idea whats rattled your cage, DSR.

This is a mesaageboard, for airing opinions on Burnley Football Club. Its not about calling out Dyche, or indeed anyone else.

The trouble is, a bad window isn't like one bad game. A bad window isn't just something we xam shrug and make light of. One very bad window and we risk both relegation this season, and a much bigger rebuilding job next summer if we get a couple of contract rebels. All of which would appear highly unnecessary and avoidable given our league position and financial status.

spot on

[Jakubclaret]

You're mental aren't you?
Sometimes it's the clubs who hawk their players around to drive up the price, sometimes it's the agents.

Some clubs just pay whatever the asking fee is, some don't.

Principal reasons being adhering to FFP, not really applicable to the bigger clubs with massive revenues the smaller clubs have to be wary where the land lies, the financial ramifications for breaching can be huge.

[KRBFC]

Some people seem to think our recruitment can read minds, when it was suggested Mawson wouldn't want to move North people then cried 'Why even approach in the first place?!!!?!!', well maybe we had to ask first to then find out.

I think people assume players comes with a price/wage stickers on their foreheads but I'm sure a lot of intricate & fluid back room negotiation is the reality.

Makes sense, took us 3 months to ask him if he wants to move up north.

[KRBFC]

Urgency on both parties is needed. It's well known we are cautious in our dealing which has gotten us this far. We are not known for our financial strength, who's to say if we offered the advertised (normally over inflated) price they wouldn't hold off 'Well If Burnely are willing to pay £XXX I wonder how much more we can get?".

We have no rich backers and sorry to say we are not fashionable despite having a very highly though of manager.
And agents are agents, as soon as we put in an offer they will be picking up the phone, it's their job and they do it well. Hell I'd be surprised if they weren't calling us first.

If the selling club mess about,we swiftly move onto the next target... The buying clubs in most cases hold all the cards because the player at the selling club is likely to want to move and nobody wants an unsettled player.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

They weren't lower league players, they did well in the Championship in poor sides. A little different to signing players based in League One/Two.

They'd been relegated to league 1 for a reason, to plagiarize your earlier comment.

Everton and Arsenal have also purchased from League 1 or lower in recent years.

Lookman at Everton is a tidy player by all accounts.

[KRBFC]

They'd been relegated to league 1 for a reason, to plagiarize your earlier comment.

Everton and Arsenal have also purchased from League 1 or lower in recent years.

Lookman at Everton is a tidy player by all accounts.

So tidy he got loaned out, what you don't understand is, they played in the Championship and got bought from relegated sides, they weren't ever League One/Two players which is what I was saying. Gudmundsson has never played League One/Two football in his life......

[Dyched]

Hi Cleveleys, what is Mike Garlick's business - when he's not Chairman and largest shareholder in Burnley FC?

Mike Garlick owns and runs a global recruitment business.

So, what does that mean for Burnley's approach to player recruitment?

I'm pretty sure the Club know what wages players are on when they target them. I'm pretty sure the approach isn't "come and play for Burnley - and we will pay you less than you are currently on." (Different rules, of course, for players coming to the end of their playing career...).

Who knows, maybe what is happening is player/agent saying to other clubs "I've got an offer from Burnley" and the other club(s) are thinking, if you are good enough for Burnley then tell us what wage we need to beat and we will see if we can beat it...

However, I'm also pretty sure that "the man in the street" doesn't know enough to know what is happening, never mind to know "the wages players are going to be wanting."

Players will want roughly around what the transfer fee will be over the course of their contract. Which is perfectly understandable imo.

[Raz]

Players will want roughly around what the transfer fee will be over the course of their contract. Which is perfectly understandable imo.

Not sure this holds true for us...Chris Wood as an example...so 15 million for four years for Wood, works out over 70k per week, he is on 35k pre bonuses, so if true... then his year end bosses would have to be substantial. Also if we are out in the market in this range we should be able to capture some players if we were really paying over 70k all up per week....don't think we are...he was on 8.5k at Leeds...

[Bfcboyo]

In some departments yes. these fans moaning does give off an armcharish impression.

Ive edited this for you and also put a few points in our earlier tateta.

[Vegas Claret]

And what will that judgement be worth? Suppose that it is universally agreed that we haven't had a good transfer window. So what? We shrug our shoulders and move on. We've had a succession of very successful transfer windows throughout Sean Dyche's reign, as our current league position proves. If we have a bad one, so be it. You wouldn't call out a star player for a single bad game; why would you call out Sean Dyche for one bad window?

Seems people are only allowed to congratulate people when they are successful on this board.

[Taffy on the wing]

Any excuse for a good moan!

[claretandy]

We need to make Stan head of Recruitment, he found Maguire, Roberstson and Clucas for Hull and they cost peanuts.

[Rick_Muller]

Well, I for one have had enough - I’ll be returning my season ticket at the earliest opportunity and getting my name back on the waiting list for Man Utd - they know how to recruit players, throw money at it...!

[Tall Paul]

Principal reasons being adhering to FFP, not really applicable to the bigger clubs with massive revenues the smaller clubs have to be wary where the land lies, the financial ramifications for breaching can be huge.

FFP doesn't apply to the Premier League.

[Hibsclaret]

Even the Mrs commented that Mr Dyche did not sound his usual upbeat self in that interview.

It must be frustrating going through a pre season programme with the added focus of Europe, one or two injuries building up and reporters asking the same questions very five minutes.....