Olympiacos v Burnley - Player Ratings

[Rowls]

Maybe we should introduce player ratings per half.
We seem to be 2 completely different sides in each half!

I was thinking this for the rate the ref feature after last night.

[The Enclosure]

Dyche needs to keep out of the dressing room at half time....

[bfcmatt]

We’ll agree to disagree pal. Call it a bad one from me on Barnes and cork we all want the same thing. Shotgun reaction.

Why are you still commenting on our board? nobody on here likes you and as far as I can see you have absolutely no reason to be here. You aren't in the slightest bit funny in fact if I had written half the stuff you had I would be absolutely embarrassed with myself.

[Milltown1882]

Why are you still commenting on our board? nobody on here likes you and as far as I can see you have absolutely no reason to be here. You aren't in the slightest bit funny in fact if I had written half the stuff you had I would be absolutely embarrassed with myself.

Very rarely post on here but thank you for your valuable input.

[bfccrazy]

Why are you still commenting on our board? nobody on here likes you and as far as I can see you have absolutely no reason to be here. You aren't in the slightest bit funny in fact if I had written half the stuff you had I would be absolutely embarrassed with myself.

Have you woken up really angry and got him confused with Millertime?

[vinrogue]

First goal a free kick, wall and keeper have to look at what went wrong as it wasn't a worldy. Penalty was harsh on Gibson and easily could have been play on. The 3rd was a cross that should have been dealt with by the defence and keeper. Tarks moves one second too early otherwise it would have been 3 - 2. Based on that in the back of my mind I cant score all 4's or be too down hearted although sad at the defeat of course.

Heaton 5
Bardsley 5
Long 6
Gibson 6
Ward 5
Taylor 7
Cork 6
Hendrick 7
JBG 5
Barnes 8
Wood 7

[Lancasterclaret]

I didn't actually think it was possible to out do all of your Brexit rubbish Crosspool but that post.

Jeez

[TVC15]

Heaton 6
Bardsley 4
Long 5
Gibson 4
Ward 6
JBG 5
Hendrick 7
Cork 6
Taylor 3
Barnes 6
Wood 6

Tarkowski 8**
Lennon 6
Vokes 6

It was very annoying but predictable. The way their bench went up right in front of us for a penalty claim at the end of the first half was a disgrace. At that point the Ref decided to cash in his chips and become a fully fledged Olympiacos fan. There were guys twenty yards outside their technical area, it was 100 times anything we have seen in the Premier League. From what Dyche said they were at it in the tunnel too, even office staff. Naively, it seems we went into our dressing room and shut the door. You live and learn said Dyche, well, you do, but this is our one shot at it.

So it is hard to be too critical but Taylor at left wing was anonymous apart from doing a bit to help out Ward. Bardsley was error prone (goal one). Long was stretched. Gibson was, unfortunately, the key player in the game. Tarky coming on gave us solidity, as you would expect.

I feel for Gibson. He has come in, the fans don’t yet know him, he thinks we all love Ben Mee. The team don’t know him (e.g. he has never played in front of Tom before). He has had one season in the Premier League and a bit in the Championship. Now he is parachuted in after a couple of Istanbul games into this, well, maelstrom. You wouldn’t do that to your worst enemy. I sincerely hope this doesn’t finish him off as a Burnley player (“the new signing whose errors cost us our European dream”). He doesn’t deserve that.

I’ve said it before but this atmosphere and quality of side needed our first choice defence, not 4 changes out of 5. It wasn’t just unfair on the fans who couldn’t yet afford to go to Europe. It was unfair on the players too. I sense Dyche is going to get this thrown back at him if we have a bad season, rightly probably, you can’t dine out on past success at this level. It’s brave in a sense, if he had played the full team any defeat would have just been a defeat, not an incompetent team selection (assuming he doesn’t want to be Allardyce, otherwise it is crafty, I’m undecided on that matter, sorry).

Saying that though, we still have a chance. But it HAS to be first choice eleven next Thursday when 2 goals down. If it isn’t, for me, he is Alledyce Mark 2 and can pack his bags. Don’t disappoint me Sean.

That was 2 minutes of my life I will never get back.
Where do you get all this sh-ite from ?

Your comments on Gibson are pathetic - “a bit in the Chamoionship” ? This is a player who got picked in the England squad before Keane or Tarks and who was being valued at £25m not so long ago.

Your comments on Dyche are not even worthy of a response.

[Blackrod]

Heaton 6 didn't help having a fence in front of him that don't normally play together.
Bardsley 5 defensively ok but delivery dreadful and the way we play we need more from the full backs. We have to create with good deliveries.
Long 7 but slow
Gibson 4 harsh sending off but not a great night.
Ward 6 bit out of sorts lately
JBG 6
Cork 6
Hendrick 6
Taylor 6 again not the right position for him
Barnes 7 mom nuisance all night
Wood 7

[Blackrod]

Tark 7
Lennon 6
Vokes 6

[bfcmatt]

Have you woken up really angry and got him confused with Millertime?

Hahahaha
Yes it would appear I have. Apologies milltown, my mistake.

[KRBFC]

I see so many 6's and 7's for what was an absolutely shocking performance, zero ball retention, zero fluidity, zero creativity, unfortunately all things we've come to expect from a Dyche team. So negative we have a fullback at left wing Teams with a significantly smaller budget seemingly don't struggle to pass the ball, every time we get it, we're in a rush to hoof.

[MACCA]

And even some 8's which indicates "very good" I'd struggle to find an 8 from last night with even my thickest of claret and blue glasses.

[claretspice]

Gave an 8 to Barnes, which I stand by. Terrific in the first half - when we were the better team - and tireless in the second period when he had very little to work with.

Perspective needed, I think. But for 3 bad pieces of individual defending, we generally did OK and I don't recall Heaton making lots and lots of saves. We had a game plan to attack Olympiakos a particular way, and when we got the opportunity, it was effective.

If the lad heads wide for their second goal, and Gibson's handball is just outside the box, so he's sent off but they don't have a pen and we therefore escape with a 1-1 draw, the marks on here would be a lot higher despite the game being basically the same one.

[Lancasterclaret]

Wasting your time Spice, wasting your time.

[KRBFC]

Gave an 8 to Barnes, which I stand by. Terrific in the first half - when we were the better team - and tireless in the second period when he had very little to work with.

Perspective needed, I think. But for 3 bad pieces of individual defending, we generally did OK and I don't recall Heaton making lots and lots of saves. We had a game plan to attack Olympiakos a particular way, and when we got the opportunity, it was effective.

If the lad heads wide for their second goal, and Gibson's handball is just outside the box, so he's sent off but they don't have a pen and we therefore escape with a 1-1 draw, the marks on here would be a lot higher despite the game being basically the same one.

Yeah and if we create some chances we might win the game, the only real chance we create was the only time we passed the ball, a neat move to send Bardsley in, yet we continue to hoof it. We were so poor and toothless, if buts and maybe's don't change that.

[Milltown1882]

Hahahaha
Yes it would appear I have. Apologies milltown, my mistake.

Haha no probs. Easy mistake to make!

[boatshed bill]

Gave an 8 to Barnes, which I stand by. Terrific in the first half - when we were the better team - and tireless in the second period when he had very little to work with.

Perspective needed, I think. But for 3 bad pieces of individual defending, we generally did OK and I don't recall Heaton making lots and lots of saves. We had a game plan to attack Olympiakos a particular way, and when we got the opportunity, it was effective.

If the lad heads wide for their second goal, and Gibson's handball is just outside the box, so he's sent off but they don't have a pen and we therefore escape with a 1-1 draw, the marks on here would be a lot higher despite the game being basically the same one.

In a sense you are saying that people are marking the result rather than the performance. I'm inclined to see it that way myself.

[claretspice]

Yeah and if we create some chances we might win the game, the only real chance we create was the only time we passed the ball, a neat move to send Bardsley in, yet we continue to hoof it. We were so poor and toothless, if buts and maybe's don't change that.

Alternatively, with a fraction better timing, in the last minute Tarks isn't a foot offside and instead is onside, taps it back to Vokes and suddenly its 3-2 on the night.

We weren't toothless last night, we had a decent threat in the first half (and you've conveniently forgotten two very presentable half-chances that fell to Wood). I wouldn't argue that our final ball could have been better, but we created a good deal more than your average away team does in Europe during the first half of a tough away tie. Second half might have been the same had we got through the first 10 minutes, but of course by that point we were all but down to 10 men and the die was cast from there.

My biggest criticism of us last night going forwards wasn't the way we attacked Olympiakos - they struggled with the physical stuff whenever we got at them - it was that we wasted 4 or 5 really good opportunities to get quality into the box from set plays, with JBG being the biggest culprit.

[claretspice]

In a sense you are saying that people are marking the result rather than the performance. I'm inclined to see it that way myself.

Yep, precisely. Was the same after Watford too.

[KRBFC]

Alternatively, with a fraction better timing, in the last minute Tarks isn't a foot offside and instead is onside, taps it back to Vokes and suddenly its 3-2 on the night.

We weren't toothless last night, we had a decent threat in the first half (and you've conveniently forgotten two very presentable half-chances that fell to Wood). I wouldn't argue that our final ball could have been better, but we created a good deal more than your average away team does in Europe during the first half of a tough away tie. Second half might have been the same had we got through the first 10 minutes, but of course by that point we were all but down to 10 men and the die was cast from there.

My biggest criticism of us last night going forwards wasn't the way we attacked Olympiakos - they struggled with the physical stuff whenever we got at them - it was that we wasted 4 or 5 really good opportunities to get quality into the box from set plays, with JBG being the biggest culprit.

You're talking ifs and buts, how about you stop talking about what could've happened and what did happen. We were completely toothless, the Wood header was a half chance at best, the other not even that. The football was poor, the defending was poor, the attacking play was poor, struggle to find any positive about that display apart from it's only 3-1.

[TVC15]

To be fair you struggle to find any positive full stop.

[claretspice]

You're talking ifs and buts, how about you stop talking about what could've happened and what did happen. We were completely toothless, the Wood header was a half chance at best, the other not even that. The football was poor, the defending was poor, the attacking play was poor, struggle to find any positive about that display apart from it's only 3-1.

I'm not talking ifs at all. I'm pointing out we squandered a very good chance to score again - foiled not by the opposition but our own over-eagerness - and that we also had at least 2 other presentable chances in the first half. Call it what you like, Wood was virtually unmarked, from a pacey cross, middle of the goal, 6 yards out, once, and on the other occasion he decided to take on a tricky shot on the turn when he could have laid it back to JBG unmarked, 12 yards out. So we should have had more to show for the pretty decent approach play that he displayed.

As for the defending, our efforts for 30 minutes with 10 men were excellent.

[Sproggy]

I thought it was a poor team selection and a poor performance. We didn't keep the ball very well and we created very little - only one shot on target according to the stats and that was probably the penalty.

[Ooogeorgeorgeoghani]

I thought it was a poor team selection and a poor performance. We didn't keep the ball very well and we created very little - only one shot on target according to the stats and that was probably the penalty.

Just said the same on another thread , midfield is weak we do not retain possession well , creativity is an issue but a Dyche side builds on solidity we need to get that right first time to use a 3 centre halves and 5 in the middle

[bfccrazy]

I'm not talking ifs at all.

If the lad heads wide for their second goal.

Erm ......

[IanMcL]

Heaton 6
Bardsley 6
Long 6
Gibson 6
Ward 6
JBG 6
Cork 7
Hendrick 6
Taylor 6
Barnes 7
Wood 6

Referee -5
Our fans 8
Their fans 10

[AlargeClaret]

Heaton 6
Bardsley 5
Long 5
Gibson 5
Ward 5
JBG 4
Cork 5
Hendrick 5
Taylor 5
Barnes 6
Wood 6

Decent 1st half , tough 2nd with the odd
silly challenges and a cheating diving bang average opposition . Holding out with ten men in the heat was a good effort . Another night 2-2 or 2-1 would have been a fairer reflection .

Great experience though and we are more than capable of turning this lot over make no doubt .