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Re: Vokes

Post by claretspice » Fri Aug 31, 2018 1:19 pm

Bordeauxclaret wrote:Well he clearly didn’t do everything right with the two half chances did he.
Did everything you could expect of him. Got a glorious bend on the curler that hit the post - I was dead behind it, and it just held its line at the last minute rather than continuing to curl. That's just luck. Second first half chance was going like a rocket and got a defection/flick on, and it virtually hit him - all he could do was to try and let it hit him as softly as possible so that he redirected the ball without any power so it dropped in. In the circumstances, he did brilliantly and he was desperately unlucky it dropped over the bar rather than in. There's not a player I can think of would have done better. But he should have buried the first of his chances, and he knew it.

All 3 of our strikers offer something a bit different, but if you are looking for someone to acxt as the focal point of an attack and get the best out of pacey runners coming from deeper - say Vydra and Lennon now, and Ings in an earlier era - then Vokes is your man. He's got the knack of creating space by cleverly coming off his centre back, and he's got the feet to take the ball in and keep it moving. He's not a channel runner like Wood, and he's not as good at fending for himself whilst isolated as Barnes, but he's a better all round footballer than either. He might not start on Sunday because we're a bit short in midfield so might go 4-4-2, and Barnes and Wood gel better as a partnership than Vokes does with either of them (if Vydra was fit, it might be a different matter).

I think he's still got a Premier League goalscoring record since we were last promoted that is better than a goal every 270 minutes. That's not the record of someone out of his depth at this level.
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Re: Vokes

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Fri Aug 31, 2018 1:36 pm

He didn’t score so it’s not possible that he did everything right.
No amount of verbosity changes that I’m afraid.

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Re: Vokes

Post by BabylonClaret » Fri Aug 31, 2018 1:45 pm

No. I think Spice makes a fair point but unfortunately Ash wasnt at his best and Vydra isnt quite there yet. Vokes is not prolific though and misses a fair few good chances regularly. We played well and came up a bit short up top but thats not a new phenomenon for us.

Ultimately our window over summer meant we didnt really have other options up front or when attacking. That coupled with a curiously out of sorts defence has led to our slow start in the league as well.

For all the talk of softlt softly baby steps improvement we've kind of stood still thia summer. So for me the long term worry is that unless we do start to improve recruitment strategy then we cpukd slowly stagnate and fall backwards.

Maybe im still down about going out so hopefully we will grow stronger and get another opportunity soonish.

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Re: Vokes

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Fri Aug 31, 2018 1:51 pm

First one I think he sees the flick coming, alters his body slightly in anticipation. I’ll concede it was tough but an inform Vokes nods that in.

The second, if he was taking part in a crossbar challenge I’ll concede that he did everything right.
I’m pretty sure he was trying to score though.

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Re: Vokes

Post by Ooogeorgeorgeoghani » Fri Aug 31, 2018 2:01 pm

He's a target man ball up to him he holds it up for play to catch up , he is also a great asset when defending corners etc , if played he will get 10 or thereabouts a season , what I'm saying is he's consistent you know what you are getting and he has been delivering for years , he's part of our armoury if we need Ariel threat he plays if not we now have vydra Barnes and wood all offering different options but none can boast being an all round striker each have different skillsets

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Re: Vokes

Post by burnleybassman » Fri Aug 31, 2018 2:26 pm

Sam still has a lot to offer the team and I was relieved to see him stay after the rumours of him leaving in the summer.

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Re: Vokes

Post by RalphCoatesComb » Fri Aug 31, 2018 3:03 pm

I disagree with the OP.

Sam has been one of my favourite Clarets in the current team for many years. He gives 110%, even when he doesn't get the service he deserves. This may change with the return of Defour, Brady and the inclusion of McNeil.

Whilst being a good guy shouldn't make him first on the team sheet, Sam has lots to offer and, as has been said elsewhere, with a little luck, last night he could have had a hat-trick.
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Re: Vokes

Post by Jakubs Tash » Fri Aug 31, 2018 3:03 pm

Absolutely no doubt that Vokes is a handful. He's really strong in the air, causes problem for the opposition and offers something none of our other forwards can. I also personally like Sam a lot before anybody thinks I'm knocking him...

However, the comments of "he's getting into the right areas" and "he's bound to be a bit rusty" don't really wash, to be honest. These are are kind of comments people used to mention when speaking about Juke or Sordell, for example. The truth is that Vokes should have scored at least two last night with the quality of chances he got. They were bad misses. He wasn't unlucky.

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Re: Vokes

Post by Giftonsnoidea » Fri Aug 31, 2018 3:49 pm

Cost us £350k wasn't it or 500k?

Barnes was 450k

I'm afraid the time to upgrade is here not just off the back of 2 sitters missed but because were getting left behind in the striking stakes in this league.

Time to spend wisely to keep up with the Jones'

Definitely needs better delivery from out wide though, hope McNeil and him start Sunday.

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Re: Vokes

Post by Hibsclaret » Fri Aug 31, 2018 4:04 pm

Giftonsnoidea wrote:Cost us £350k wasn't it or 500k?

Barnes was 450k

I'm afraid the time to upgrade is here not just off the back of 2 sitters missed but because were getting left behind in the striking stakes in this league.

Time to spend wisely to keep up with the Jones'

Definitely needs better delivery from out wide though, hope McNeil and him start Sunday.
If we are talking about spending, Lukaku missed a sitter the other night and I think he was 80 million. Benteke hasn’t scored for what seems like years. It’s irrelevant what Barnes and Vokes cost but more important what they are worth to us and that is priceless.
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Re: Vokes

Post by claretspice » Fri Aug 31, 2018 4:15 pm

Bordeauxclaret wrote:He didn’t score so it’s not possible that he did everything right.
No amount of verbosity changes that I’m afraid.
Ok, if you want something pithy rather than a bit of context, we can do that.

You are effectively criticising a player for not scoring a worldie, and for not being able to control a ball that was all-but impossible to control. That is a completely irrational position to take.

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Re: Vokes

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Fri Aug 31, 2018 4:34 pm

No I’m not. I’m simply saying he tried put the ball into the net. He didn’t. Therefore it’s preposterous to suggest he did everything right.

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Re: Vokes

Post by claretspice » Fri Aug 31, 2018 4:39 pm

Bordeauxclaret wrote:No I’m not. I’m simply saying he tried put the ball into the net. He didn’t. Therefore it’s preposterous to suggest he did everything right.
Ok. He did everything that could have been expected of him, and did it well. He definitely didn't do anything wrong.

Hopefully the semantics are satisfactory for you now and we can crack on with talking about football.

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Re: Vokes

Post by Dark Cloud » Fri Aug 31, 2018 4:43 pm

I'm a big fan of Sam's and I still think he's a better all round player than Wood. I AM very disappointed that he didn't take his chances last night as it really isn't like him and yes, it cost us dear, but it really isn't the norm and I still have faith in him.

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Re: Vokes

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Fri Aug 31, 2018 4:45 pm

It’s a basic point.

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Re: Vokes

Post by Giftonsnoidea » Fri Aug 31, 2018 4:57 pm

Hibsclaret wrote:If we are talking about spending, Lukaku missed a sitter the other night and I think he was 80 million. Benteke hasn’t scored for what seems like years. It’s irrelevant what Barnes and Vokes cost but more important what they are worth to us and that is priceless.
No not particulary about spending for spendings sake but we have punched above our weight with these two now for a few seasons and we really need something differnt up top. Not slating them but we really do need someone with pace to get behind defences for what seems like eons now.....

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Re: Vokes

Post by ElectroClaret » Fri Aug 31, 2018 5:54 pm

Best in the air forward we've had for many a year.

Brilliant header. Scored some crackers.
Can still cut it.

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