Petrov and Boshirov

[martin_p]

The latest theory being put forward by Russians who want to believe they didn’t do it but recognise the story being put forward is ridiculous is that they are gay. Two gat Russian men who wanted to get out of the country to spend some ‘quality time’ together away from the gaze of mother Russia. That’s why their story doesn’t really stack up apparently.

[bluelabrador16]

The Silence of the Skripals

JackRiddler ....."The most unbelievable part for me so far is that these two are straight men."

A site well worth visiting.

http://rigorousintuition.ca/board2/view ... 4&start=60" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

good open thread at OffGuardian:

https://off-guardian.org/2018/09/13/ope ... wed-on-rt/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The Strange Russian Alibi ..... Craig Murray

"Like many, my first thought at the interview of Boshirov and Petrov – which apparently are indeed their names – is that they were very unconvincing....

Jay-Z visits Salisbury Cathedral to See the Origial "Magna Carta"

...So even if the Skripals made an “invisible” trip home before being seen on Devizes Road, that means the very latest they could have touched the doorknob is 13.15. The longest possible gap between the novichok being placed on the doorknob and the Skripals touching it would have been one hour and 15 minutes. Do you recall all those “experts” leaping in to tell us that the “ten times deadlier than VX” nerve agent was not fatal because it had degraded overnight on the doorknob? Well that cannot be true. The time between application and contact was between a minute and (at most) just over an hour on this new timeline.

In general it is worth observing that the Skripals, and poor Dawn Sturgess and Charlie Rowley, all managed to achieve almost complete CCTV invisibility in their widespread movements around Salisbury at the key times, while in contrast “Petrov and Boshirov” managed to be frequently caught in high quality all the time during their brief visit.

This is especially remarkable in the case of the Skripals’ location around noon on 4 March. The government can only maintain that they returned home at this time, as they insist they got the nerve agent from the doorknob. But why was their car so frequently caught on CCTV leaving, but not at all returning? It appears very much more probable that they came into contact with the nerve agent somewhere else, while they were out."

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives ... ian-alibi/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[martin_p]

The Silence of the Skripals



good open thread at OffGuardian:

https://off-guardian.org/2018/09/13/ope ... wed-on-rt/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The Strange Russian Alibi ..... Craig Murray

At last! Someone talking sense!

[martin_p]

And all Jay Z could come up with by way of an excuse for visiting the Cathedral to see the Magna Carta is that he was releasing an album called ‘Manga Carta Holy Grail’. A likely story! Does anyone know if he was seen near the Skripals’ house?

[LeadBelly]

Another couple of (innocent tourist) Russians on holiday in Europe
https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2018/09/r ... s-lab-nrc/

[HatfieldClaret]

So it was Jay-Z wot dunnit...

[jurek]

Personally I think Putin is taking the pixx.
He's having a laugh at our expense and arguably it's a tad worrying.

He must know nobody is likely to believe their story but did it
to let us know he doesn't care about what anybody outside of Russia thinks.

He thinks we 're weak and unlikely to do anything much about it
and he's probably right.

Makes you wonder what else he has up his sleeve?

[Stayingup]

Anyone who had any doubt that it was the Russians will be struggling now to think it was anyone else now.

Quite impressive though as it shows the control that Putin has over Russia is that he knows he can do this kind of thing completely without any fear of any internal repercussions getting to him.

You really think that's impressive?

Did you Stalin and Hitler were impressive for the same reason?

[Stayingup]

Personally I think Putin is taking the pixx.
He's having a laugh at our expense and arguably it's a tad worrying.

He must know nobody is likely to believe their story but did it
to let us know he doesn't care about what anybody outside of Russia thinks.

He thinks we 're weak and unlikely to do anything much about it
and he's probably right.

Makes you wonder what else he has up his sleeve?

A tad worrying? With that lunatic McDonnel saying he would get rid of our nuclear weapons and knowing that he and the old Commie could get into power it's damned worrying.

[evensteadiereddie]

And the Tory alternatives are just as convincing...................

[Imploding Turtle]

Someone's gonna be disappeared for this.

[dermotdermot]

Testing

[IanMcL]

To be fare to them I lived near Salisbury for over 3 years and never visited them either

A sign of cultural deficiency!
I live nearby and have the same thing with Wil ton House, although a few years ago, I was invited, as a dignitary, to have a meal in the Cube Room and outside theatre. That satisfied my desire in one!

The cathedral is a must - even just wandering the close on a sunny day. Stonehenge is worth a look from the A303.

[bluelabrador16]

#ICYMI: The Salisbury poisoning – Petrov and Boshirov, two men on a mini-break.

"With every new twist surrounding the poisoning of the Skripals in Salisbury, an element of farce is not far behind. No sooner had Britain named its two suspects, the accused showed up claiming they were simply on a mini-break.

Alexander Petrov and Ruslan Boshirov, who London accuses of being members of Russia’s GRU military intelligence told RT that, actually, they were just two friends who wanted to see Salisbury’s world famous cathedral, and its impressive spire. It’s fair to say their story faced a certain amount of ridicule."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_cont ... VZVOChKVSo" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; .... 2.13

So ICYMI/Polly Boiko looks at a post-modern mystery which gets more bizarre by the day.

Comments:

"Where is the head of Salisbury Cathedral publicity team when all this was going down "

Lynch Mob Mentality ..... Craig Murray

"...Were I Vladimir Putin, I would persuade Boshirov and Petrov voluntarily to come to the UK and stand trial, on condition that it was a genuinely fair trial before a jury in which the entire proceedings, and all of the evidence, was open and public, and the Skripals and Pablo Miller might be called as witnesses and cross-examined. I have no doubt that the British government’s desire for justice would suddenly move into rapid retreat if their bluff was called in this way.

As for me, when I see a howling mob rushing to judgement and making at least some claims which are utterly unfounded, and when I see that mob fueled and egged on by information from the security services propagated by exactly the same mainstream media journalists who propagandised the lies about Iraqi WMD, I see it as my job to stand in the way of the mob and to ask cool questions. If that makes them hate me, then I must be having some impact.

So I ask this question again – and nobody so far has attempted to give me an answer. At what time did the Skripals touch their doorknob? Boshirov and Petrov arrived in Salisbury at 11.48 and could not have painted the doorknob before noon. The Skripals had left their house at 09.15, with their mobile phones switched off so they could not be geo-located. Their car was caught on CCTV on three cameras heading out of Salisbury to the North East. At 13.15 it was again caught on camera heading back in to the town centre from the North West.

How had the Skripals managed to get back to their home, and touch the door handle, in the hour between noon and 1pm, without being caught on any of the CCTV cameras that caught them going out and caught the Russian visitors so extensively? After this remarkably invisible journey, what time did they touch the door handle?....."

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Imploding Turtle]

Craig Murray has no idea if they were caught on CCTV or not at the Skripal's property. So why is he concluding that they weren't?

[bluelabrador16]

IT

Craig Murray has no idea if they were caught on CCTV or not at the Skripal's property. So why is he concluding that they weren't?

He doesn't

Skripals – The Mystery Deepen

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives ... y-deepens/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

".....This BBC report gives a very useful timeline summary of events.

At 09.15 on Sunday 4 March the Skripals’ car was seen on CCTV driving through three different locations in Salisbury. Both Skripals had switched off their mobile phones and they remained off for over four hours, which has baffled geo-location.

There is no CCTV footage that indicates the Skripals returning to their home. It has therefore always been assumed that they last touched the door handle around 9am.

But the Metropolitan Police state that Boshirov and Petrov did not arrive in Salisbury until 11.48 on the day of the poisoning. That means that they could not have applied a nerve agent to the Skripals’ doorknob before noon at the earliest. But there has never been any indication that the Skripals returned to their home after noon on Sunday 4 March. If they did so, they and/or their car somehow avoided all CCTV cameras. Remember they were caught by three CCTV cameras on leaving, and Borishov and Petrov were caught frequently on CCTV on arriving.

The Skripals were next seen on CCTV at 13.30, driving down Devizes road. After that their movements were clearly witnessed or recorded until their admission to hospital.

So even if the Skripals made an “invisible” trip home before being seen on Devizes Road, that means the very latest they could have touched the doorknob is 13.15. The longest possible gap between the novichok being placed on the doorknob and the Skripals touching it would have been one hour and 15 minutes. Do you recall all those “experts” leaping in to tell us that the “ten times deadlier than VX” nerve agent was not fatal because it had degraded overnight on the doorknob? Well that cannot be true. The time between application and contact was between a minute and (at most) just over an hour on this new timeline....."

FWIW...I met Craig Murray many years ago, and he came over as a really nice and genuine guy.(maybe, a tad naive)

IT, did you read the article ... In Honor of Baron Bezos, Champion of Equality

[Billy Balfour]

Bluelab, it doesn't matter how hard you try - you're never going to get a job on RT.

HTH.

[Bordeauxclaret]

Interesting to see what bluelab thinks of the latest evidence to emerge.
Fake news no doubt.

[Chobulous]

Interesting to see what bluelab thinks of the latest evidence to emerge.
Fake news no doubt.

That photo could be any Russian. They all look the same to me.

[yorkyclaret]

Obviously Putin wants everyone to know he did it, a warning to everyone that if they upset him, he can get to them wherever in the world they go.

[LeadBelly]

I agree that the main reason for the assassination attempt was Putin's desire to strike fear into other "disloyal" Russian ex-pats.
I think, though, that he'll be unhappy that the attempt failed to kill the target and that western agencies have been able to pinpoint the perpetrators, their MO & their backgrounds.

The conspiracy theorists/ Russian bots will still be trying to cast doubts on any western explanations though - BL leading the line on that I expect.

[Bordeauxclaret]

Wonder if these two guys have been near the leader of the opposition in Russia.