Young soldiers pose with Tommy Robinson.

Dy1geo · Post by **Dy1geo** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 1:43 pm

Robinson from what I can gather is no longer a member of the EDL which would be described as a “Far Right” group so technically he is just a member of the public who espouses opinions at odds with others. He is clever enough to point out that he is not a rascist but he has an issue with “radical Islam” which whilst many not agree with he can express those views within the letter of the law. The squaddies in question just posed and sung the name of Robinson which to me is not against the law. However if they had sung some of the songs which far right groups sing the book should be thrown at them as they are expressing political views.

SonofPog · Post by **SonofPog** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 1:46 pm

https://tinyurl.com/ybbawnx4" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Corbyn "disrespecting" these Vets...

JarrowClaret · Post by **JarrowClaret** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 1:48 pm

The law isn’t relevant to them getting punished by the Army when you sign on the dotted line you agree to adhere to certain rules and a code of conduct etc. This I believe breaks at least one of them rules and if you get caught breaking a rule you deserve to be punished plain and simple.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 1:48 pm

Come of it Pog, he's only standing with them cos they have red berets on.

SonofPog · Post by **SonofPog** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 1:51 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Come of it Pog, he's only standing with them cos they have red berets on.

Here he's taking a photo for the "Comrade of the month" wall.... https://tinyurl.com/ybnfon7k" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 2:01 pm

Dy1geo wrote:Robinson from what I can gather is no longer a member of the EDL which would be described as a “Far Right” group so technically he is just a member of the public who espouses opinions at odds with others. He is clever enough to point out that he is not a rascist but he has an issue with “radical Islam” which whilst many not agree with he can express those views within the letter of the law. The squaddies in question just posed and sung the name of Robinson which to me is not against the law. However if they had sung some of the songs which far right groups sing the book should be thrown at them as they are expressing political views.

Tommys ideology is extremely complex instead of trying to understand, it's less effort for some people to just go with the mainstream & conjure an opinion from that.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 2:03 pm

One thing it isn't is "extremely complex"

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 2:04 pm

You clearly don't understand or you think you do.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 2:09 pm

No, I'm pretty comfortable with my understanding of his ideology AND THOSE THAT SUPPORT HIM.

Would you like me to be clearer?

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 2:11 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:No, I'm pretty comfortable with my understanding of his ideology AND THOSE THAT SUPPORT HIM.

Would you like me to be clearer?

I don't support Tommy, I understand the ideology if you wish to post your version, crack on by all means.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 2:12 pm

Glad you clarified your post.

Dy1geo · Post by **Dy1geo** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 2:25 pm

There is a difference between those that support him and those that support freedom of speech. As the saying goes "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" which is attributed to Voltaire.
Jakub under what rule is being pictured and singing the name of a divisive individual are they guilty of?
Robinson views need to be defeated through reasoned arguments. Stifling them or some poor squaddies getting punished for being pictured with him singing his name will only fuel his agenda.

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 2:39 pm

Dy1geo wrote:There is a difference between those that support him and those that support freedom of speech. As the saying goes "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" which is attributed to Voltaire.
Jakub under what rule is being pictured and singing the name of a divisive individual are they guilty of?
Robinson views need to be defeated through reasoned arguments. Stifling them or some poor squaddies getting punished for being pictured with him singing his name will only fuel his agenda.

Agree, it just doesn't look good, people claim to understand Tommys ideology but you will only defeat the ideology by understanding the ideology & the complexities ingrained within it & no other way.

SmudgetheClaret · Post by **SmudgetheClaret** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 2:47 pm

I can’t agree with Jarrow I think the whole Tommy thing started when he witnessed our soldiers being spat on and abused by a dozen Muslim radicals I feel he is genuinely patriotic and would be unhappy if these lads got more than a slap ...

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 2:53 pm

SonofPog wrote:https://tinyurl.com/ybbawnx4

Corbyn "disrespecting" these Vets...

That was the time he caused a rumpus by not attending the official dinner and for not bowing in front of the Cenotaph. So horses for courses there.

Any pictures of him with current serving members of the British Army rather than at national events he is obliged to attend like this in his role as leader of HM Opposition?

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 2:54 pm

Think you'll find Jarrow is or was a serving soldier.

Tommy put all his political ideologies down in a book (as everyone knows, thats where these guys have to start). Only thing missing was it doesn't have a catchy title about his fight and it wasn't written in prison (even though he's spent plenty of time in them)

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 2:55 pm

Oh Rowls has come, and he's bought his JCB.

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 2:59 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Oh Rowls has come, and he's bought his JCB.

What on earth does this mean Lancs?

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 3:00 pm

Its a very big spade.

SonofPog · Post by **SonofPog** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 3:02 pm

Rowls wrote:That was the time he caused a rumpus by not attending the official dinner and for not bowing in front of the Cenotaph. So horses for courses there.

Any pictures of him with current serving members of the British Army rather than at national events he is obliged to attend like this in his role as leader of HM Opposition?

He's obliged to stand by the side of the road and clap veterns? https://tinyurl.com/y967wb9h" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; (This is what he was doing when he missed the VIP event)

Oh, you believe he didn't bow? you probably believe he danced on his way to the Cenotaph too.

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 3:04 pm

SonofPog wrote:He's obliged to stand by the side of the road and clap veterns? https://tinyurl.com/y967wb9h" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; (This is what he was doing when he missed the VIP event)
Oh, you believe he didn't bow? you probably believe he danced on his way to the Cenotaph too.

Yes he was obliged to attend. It's customary for going on a century now.

Did he ever attend beforehand? I don't know.

SonofPog · Post by **SonofPog** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 3:05 pm

Damn him for missing lunch to stay behind and honour our veterns!

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 3:06 pm

Here's a typical page of search results. YMMV

https://www.google.fr/search?q=jeremy+c ... e&ie=UTF-8" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 3:09 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Think you'll find Jarrow is or was a serving soldier.

Tommy put all his political ideologies down in a book (as everyone knows, thats where these guys have to start). Only thing missing was it doesn't have a catchy title about his fight and it wasn't written in prison (even though he's spent plenty of time in them)

You mean a broken story.

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 3:10 pm

SonofPog wrote:Damn him for missing lunch to stay behind and honour our veterns!

Jeremy Corbyn is many things but a man who is proud of the British Army he most certainly is NOT.

You can try and spin this however you want but Corbyn's track record speaks for itself. He consistently supports and provides succour to many regimes and causes who are pitted against the UK and our armed forces.

For example:

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/01/t ... my-corbyn/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Falcon · Post by **Falcon** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 3:18 pm

Can we move this away from Jeremy Corbyn and back to Tommy Robinson please.

We have enough anti-Labour posts on this board without turning this into yet another.

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 3:28 pm

Rowls wrote:Jeremy Corbyn is many things but a man who is proud of the British Army he most certainly is NOT.

You can try and spin this however you want but Corbyn's track record speaks for itself. He consistently supports and provides succour to many regimes and causes who are pitted against the UK and our armed forces.

For example:

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/01/t ... my-corbyn/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Has he ever posted some self promotion on the internet knowing he’d get soldiers into trouble? Because Robinson did and he’s supposed to be big on supporting our ‘brave lads’.

JarrowClaret · Post by **JarrowClaret** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 3:30 pm

Smudge what don’t you agree with? My explanation of how and why the Soldiers will be punished or my comment about Robinson just doing it for the publicity?

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 3:36 pm

martin_p wrote:Has he ever posted some self promotion on the internet knowing he’d get soldiers into trouble? Because Robinson did and he’s supposed to be big on supporting our ‘brave lads’.

Is this a question or a statement.

I guess my only answer unless you clarify would be "OK".

Spaceman · Post by **Spaceman** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 3:53 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Come of it Pog, he's only standing with them cos they have red berets on.

Red berets lol. They are crow berets . Recruits . Not real soldiers yet. Hardly any will pass out
Let's not judge soldiers by these boys.

box_of_frogs · Post by **box_of_frogs** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 3:54 pm

SmudgetheClaret wrote:I’m interested in what people think their punishment should be ?

GPMG Pokey Drills

Spaceman · Post by **Spaceman** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 3:56 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Come of it Pog, he's only standing with them cos they have red berets on.

Sorry my bad . Thought you meant the Tommy pic

Dazzler · Post by **Dazzler** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 4:03 pm

Says the "liberal" who lives in a small , probably 99.9% white village near Lancaster. One of the least ethnically diverse town/city in the UK!!!

You must have a fabulous view of the rest of us racist knuckle dragging Nazis, from that ivory tower of yours.

Lancasterclaret wrote:is that what he put?

******* hell Ringo, you need serious help mate.

I Have relatives who live in a hamlet just off the A683 and I know for a fact that they & their neighbours would be horrified if anyone other than well to do white English moved into their 'private Hamlet'.

I take it they need serious help ?

Falcon · Post by **Falcon** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 4:14 pm

Best thing would be for some minorities to move in next door so they can realise that the world wouldn't end.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 4:17 pm

I've no idea Dazzler

But disappointing to know that its not just you in your family with issues.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 5:40 pm

I really wouldn't have a problem with liberals if they took the refugees and third world migrants they are so keen about into their own well to do areas, instead they'd much rather saturate them into already poor, overcrowded working class communities. A much more convenient means of achieving that warm, fuzzy feeling inside that they crave so much

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 6:02 pm

Falcon wrote:It's a real shame that 'liberal' has become a dirty word.

Adjective: Willing to respect or accept behaviour or opinions different from one's own; open to new ideas.

Nowadays people use it to mean the opposite of conservative, when in fact it is the opposite of authoritarian.

It's not a dirty word. It's a label i'm proud to wear.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 6:06 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:I really wouldn't have a problem with liberals if they took the refugees and third world migrants they are so keen about into their own well to do areas, instead they'd much rather saturate them into already poor, overcrowded working class communities. A much more convenient means of achieving that warm, fuzzy feeling inside that they crave so much

I'm more than happy for more taxpayer money to be spend on refugee housing to allow them a more comfortable standard of living. The problem is when we do that you lot will scream like children because out government is giving them a better standard of living that poor people.

So then we say "ok, increase welfare" and you're like "what? no! ******* scroungers!"

So then we say "lets increase tax on the rich to pay for these refugees" and you're like "omfg you communist bastards!"

and so on and so on until eventually you just fess up and say "we don't want foreigners here!"

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 6:12 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:I really wouldn't have a problem with liberals if they took the refugees and third world migrants they are so keen about into their own well to do areas, instead they'd much rather saturate them into already poor, overcrowded working class communities. A much more convenient means of achieving that warm, fuzzy feeling inside that they crave so much

I'd love to see the look on your face if the refugees were living it up in big houses and quiet villages while you were still shitkicking around Burnley.

SmudgetheClaret · Post by **SmudgetheClaret** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 6:16 pm

Yes JC the bit about doing it for publicity! what we don't see on the vid is how the 2 first come together TR is a face and it's more likely the young lads were drawn to him or recognised him and he seems genuinely chuffed to get their somewhat muted support, I've watched a lot of his stuff and he doesn't come across as cruel enough to put young uk soldiers at risk on purpose more unwittingly...

burnleymik · Post by **burnleymik** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 6:19 pm

TheFamilyCat wrote:I'd love to see the look on your face if the refugees were living it up in big houses and quiet villages while you were still shitkicking around Burnley.

I am assuming the point he is making is that is easy to be detached from the reality when it never really touches your everyday life.

Of course it's wonderful to want to help everyone, but the reality of such large numbers, so quickly, is that it changes those communities drastically.

SmudgetheClaret · Post by **SmudgetheClaret** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 6:27 pm

That sums you up turtle to a tee "we don't want foreigners here" your blanket insult of anyone who opposes open borders is just out of order when what normal decent folk really mean is "we don't want an extra 6-10 million foreign people coming here many of which will be an economic burden and a huge strain on many of our already underfunded services" is there no limit to how much of this country your prepared to give away to feel "progressive "?

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 6:38 pm

burnleymik wrote:I am assuming the point he is making is that is easy to be detached from the reality when it never really touches your everyday life.

Of course it's wonderful to want to help everyone, but the reality of such large numbers, so quickly, is that it changes those communities drastically.

I'm pretty sure that isn't the point he's trying to make.

BabylonClaret · Post by **BabylonClaret** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 6:41 pm

Rowls wrote:Jeremy Corbyn is many things but a man who is proud of the British Army he most certainly is NOT.

so what? He's a declared pacifist isn't he? That would make it clear he's not going to be a fan of military.

that doesn't mean he's going to disband the army any time soon any more than a vegetarian politician would ban the eating of meat national.

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 6:49 pm

I think he does get a raw deal from the media, definately some truth in the accusations he makes against them, specifically the BBC.
I watched question time last week, The performance from dimbleby was shocking. He shouted down a perfectly rational panelist who spoke eloquently about immigration, then allowed a black poet to continue uninterrupted for seemingly ages. Talk about double standards !!!!

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 7:03 pm

SmudgetheClaret wrote:That sums you up turtle to a tee "we don't want foreigners here" your blanket insult of anyone who opposes open borders is just out of order when what normal decent folk really mean is "we don't want an extra 6-10 million foreign people coming here many of which will be an economic burden and a huge strain on many of our already underfunded services" is there no limit to how much of this country your prepared to give away to feel "progressive "?

If you oppose open borders then you want closed borders. Sooo ... you don't want foreigners getting here.

Your post supports my conclusion, and yet you claim that it "sums" me up. You people are truly ridiculous.

UpTheClaretsFCBK · Post by **UpTheClaretsFCBK** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 7:19 pm

The lads deserve everything they get.

The British Army is a public service and they cannot be allowed to be seen supporting such a contraversial character, whatever end of the spectrum they’re on.

You’d have to be brain dead not to see how that looks to British Muslims, failure to act on this could lead to more fuel for extremist ideals and possible future attacks.

“The British Army supports Tommy Robinson” is such a damaging and dangerous tag line.

Textbook irony that most of the half wits on this board think this should be allowed and have delusions of the left being a threat to national security.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 7:21 pm

UpTheClaretsFCBK wrote:The lads deserve everything they get.

The British Army is a public service and they cannot be allowed to be seen supporting such a contraversial character, whatever end of the spectrum they’re on.

You’d have to be brain dead not to see how that looks to British Muslims, failure to act on this could lead to more fuel for extremist ideal and possible future attacks.

“The British Army supports Tommy Robinson” is such a damaging and dangerous tag line.

Textbook irony that most of the half wits on this board think this should be allowed and have delusions of the left being a threat to national security.

Not just all British Muslims, imagine being a muslim soldier fighting alongside one of those idiots.

JohnMac · Post by **JohnMac** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 7:23 pm

Anyone reacting to this thinking it is anything other than banter needs to get a life.

Inchy · Post by **Inchy** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 7:37 pm

One of the lads in the video is to be discharged according to sky news

The daft racist