Jay Rodriguez Sky

COBBLE · Post by **COBBLE** » Mon Nov 05, 2018 1:08 pm

SGr wrote:What about him

Well, lets see, maybe he came back for a second spell and didn't do too bad??????

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Mon Nov 05, 2018 1:08 pm

Murger wrote:When the ball just bypasses the midfield all the time, it really isn't an outlandish theory.

I know this is what you really want to believe as it conveniently suits the rubbish you post.

But why don't you watch the whole of the West Ham game and tell us all truthfully whether we bypassed Defour and Westwood and the rest of the midfield "all the time".

JTClaret · Post by **JTClaret** » Mon Nov 05, 2018 1:16 pm

I'd have him back because I think he's a good player. Nothing more to it.
The fact it would add a number of factors is a bonus - Chanting 'one of our own' rather than whining how crap we are playing might make for a better atmosphere, not to mention a player who can take the ball from midfield and create an attack.

SGr · Post by **SGr** » Mon Nov 05, 2018 1:28 pm

COBBLE wrote:Well, lets see, maybe he came back for a second spell and didn't do too bad??????

As of this January it’ll be 11 1/2 years since that transfer. Which occurred when we were also a championship club.

Absolutely irrelevant

Murger · Post by **Murger** » Mon Nov 05, 2018 1:47 pm

TVC15 wrote:I know this is what you really want to believe as it conveniently suits the rubbish you post.

But why don't you watch the whole of the West Ham game and tell us all truthfully whether we bypassed Defour and Westwood and the rest of the midfield "all the time".

You mean JBG goal that was started from a long kick from Hart and flicked on by Vokes?

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Mon Nov 05, 2018 1:50 pm

Murger wrote:You mean JBG goal that was started from a long kick from Hart and flicked on by Vokes?

Oh you mean the goal that was scored by a midfielder after receiving a pass from another midfielder ?

As i said watch the actual game and tell me whether we bypass the midfield all of the time.....try talking in facts rather than bullish-it.

Murger · Post by **Murger** » Mon Nov 05, 2018 1:52 pm

TVC15 wrote:Oh you mean the goal that was scored by a midfielder after receiving a pass from another midfielder ?

As i said watch the actual game and tell me whether we bypass the midfield all of the time.....try talking in facts rather than bullish-it.

Try watching the game instead of being a patronising ****.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Mon Nov 05, 2018 2:00 pm

Murger wrote:Try watching the game instead of being a patronising ****.

haha....what is "patronising" about saying you are talking sh-ite ?

Why don't you look up the word patronising (now i am being patronising btw).

I watched the whole of the game - like I do every week and we often play the ball from our keeper / defence to our midfield. Defour is spending most of the game in his own half and starting off the majority of our moves.
Our big problem (or one of them) has been that our midfielders - especially Cork and Westwood - have been losing the ball far too often in dangerous positions which is perfect for many teams in this league who just end up out numbering you with their midfielders and overlapping full backs once you have lost the ball.

moaninclaret · Post by **moaninclaret** » Mon Nov 05, 2018 3:07 pm

Forget Jay, a lot of us are letting our hearts rule our heads, Hes not worth the 20 million or more that WB are asking, and i dont think he will make much difference to our team. i know the lad would love to return home, but you have to ask yourself is he as good as he was? I myself doubt it.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Mon Nov 05, 2018 3:20 pm

Falcon · Post by **Falcon** » Mon Nov 05, 2018 3:23 pm

And the end of the day we aren't actually struggling to score goals. We've scored more after 11 games this season than we did in the same period in the last two seasons.

If we need to spend money on transfers in the next window it's the other end of the pitch we should be looking at.

Jakubs Tash · Post by **Jakubs Tash** » Mon Nov 05, 2018 3:29 pm

moaninclaret wrote:Forget Jay, a lot of us are letting our hearts rule our heads, Hes not worth the 20 million or more that WB are asking, and i dont think he will make much difference to our team. i know the lad would love to return home, but you have to ask yourself is he as good as he was? I myself doubt it.

Or, "is he better than what we have?"

karatekid · Post by **karatekid** » Mon Nov 05, 2018 3:43 pm

Or is he the best that circa £20 million can buy?

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Mon Nov 05, 2018 3:46 pm

Falcon wrote:And the end of the day we aren't actually struggling to score goals. We've scored more after 11 games this season than we did in the same period in the last two seasons.

If we need to spend money on transfers in the next window it's the other end of the pitch we should be looking at.

Tbh, the defence should be fine. It seems players like Jack Cork are an issue at the moment.

Ooogeorgeorgeoghani · Post by **Ooogeorgeorgeoghani** » Mon Nov 05, 2018 5:05 pm

Spijed wrote:Tbh, the defence should be fine. It seems players like Jack Cork are an issue at the moment.

Cork was shocking on Sat, didn't turn up at all !

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Mon Nov 05, 2018 5:25 pm

whatever the budget is they need to break the transfer record (probably considerably) and get as good a midfield player/s we can get. I keep hearing about moving the club forward - signing Jay Rod is not doing that even remotely imho.

Granny WeatherWax · Post by **Granny WeatherWax** » Mon Nov 05, 2018 5:47 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:whatever the budget is they need to break the transfer record (probably considerably) and get as good a midfield player/s we can get. I keep hearing about moving the club forward - signing Jay Rod is not doing that even remotely imho.

I’d prefer to loan and pay Danny drinkwaters £120k a week wage for the rest of the season than sign jay.

Giftonsnoidea · Post by **Giftonsnoidea** » Mon Nov 05, 2018 5:48 pm

We all know west brom will want 25m now, should be a fun negotitation! (Facepalm)

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Mon Nov 05, 2018 9:39 pm

karatekid wrote:Knowing our luck Jay Rod would sign on a monday then need a double hernia op on the tuesday then get bitten by an exotic insect whilst recuperating in some sunny paradise on the wednesday

Wasnt that a craig david song?

AfloatinClaret · Post by **AfloatinClaret** » Tue Nov 06, 2018 1:49 am

IanMcL wrote:Jay Rodriguez would be inspirational to Burnley.

How? Why? Did any of the current squad even play for us when he was here first time around?

WBA would be happy of course, if Burnley don't then nobody elses's going to give them anything even close to £20 million for Jay-Rod

California Colner · Post by **California Colner** » Tue Nov 06, 2018 2:36 am

I'd rather see us pay that sort of money for a midfielder,
That's where we are loosing the games from, we just can't hold on to the ball in the midfield, over run at times.
The defense can only hold on for so long when the ball is coming straight back at them.
We have the strikers that can score, we just have to feed them.
Were missing a Joey Barton like player.

RammyClaret61 · Post by **RammyClaret61** » Tue Nov 06, 2018 2:36 am

Here we go again. A rumour being treated as fact and being used to slate the club. What a great set of “supporters” we have.

Murger · Post by **Murger** » Tue Nov 06, 2018 7:22 am

RammyClaret61 wrote:Here we go again. A rumour being treated as fact and being used to slate the club. What a great set of “supporters” we have.

Superfan alert.

RammyClaret61 · Post by **RammyClaret61** » Tue Nov 06, 2018 7:42 am

Murger wrote:Superfan alert.

Whatever

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Tue Nov 06, 2018 9:21 am

AfloatinClaret wrote:How? Why? Did any of the current squad even play for us when he was here first time around

Apart from his obvious capability, he is a local lad and a true Claret. He would wear his heart on his sleeve and inspire or cajole his colleagues, to commit in the same way.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Tue Nov 06, 2018 5:45 pm

IanMcL wrote:Apart from his obvious capability, he is a local lad and a true Claret. He would wear his heart on his sleeve and inspire or cajole his colleagues, to commit in the same way.

It might galvanise the crowd but I don't see him having any affect on other players - he's not Neymar !!

I for one hope we don't go after him, we should be looking forwards not backwards - he's also hardly setting the Championship alight is he.

Just sign 11 Madges, we'll win every game

AlargeClaret · Post by **AlargeClaret** » Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:07 pm

Do we really want to pay 20m+ for an aging champ centre forward whose not exactly prolific in the prem? He’s worth about 11-12m maybe 2yr contract and I don’t doubt he’d lift us but silly money would be madness . We do need a clear out of one or 2 from vokes/Barnes /wood/Hendrick though , I still don’t Wood has had a decent crack of yhevwhip yet with Brady and Defour offering more than scraps though

Nonayforever · Post by **Nonayforever** » Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:47 pm

What did Sky actually say ?

It wouldn't surprise me though if Dyche did still want Jay.
Nothing changes, that is apparent.

Whilst it might salivate the taste buds of the faithful it smacks of Pulis / Hughes desperation tactics.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:55 pm

Vegas Claret wrote: Just sign 11 Madges, we'll win every game

Here we are Vegas. Sorted!

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Tue Nov 06, 2018 7:12 pm

Just get Payton and Chico to do the pre match entertainment. That will galvanise things!

AfloatinClaret · Post by **AfloatinClaret** » Tue Nov 06, 2018 7:13 pm

IanMcL wrote:Apart from his obvious capability, he is a local lad and a true Claret. He would wear his heart on his sleeve and inspire or cajole his colleagues, to commit in the same way.

I don't see his 'obvious capabilities' having made him even a star in the Championship this year

He's certainly a 'local lad',but 'true Claret'? He was eager enough to leave in the first place and as I recall there was the opportunity for him to return when he left Southampton and went to WBA. I wouldn't in any way blame or criticise him for either decision, like any footballer, his talent has a very limited shelf-life and if you're playing the game professionally, you need to maximise your career earnings; if Jay-Rod and his advisor's have any sense they will continue trying to do just that.

At this later stage in his career - one that let's be honest never quite fulfilled its early promise/expectation - and with BFC flush with Premiership money, then trying to market the 'local lad/true claret' role and return to his 'hometown' club might well be the best way to continue that earnings maximisation. Conversely, Burnley FC need to be making best use of their current relative wealth and whilst spending it on Jay-Rod might prove to be a short-term fillip to some supporters, I really can't see that what he seems capable of offering would come even close to the expenditure that buying/paying him would reportedly require.

He might well remain a local hero - and deservedly so given what he did for us in his early days - but were we not the club able and most likely to pay over the odds for his services, then neither WBA nor Jay-Rod would have any current interest in his returning Burnley.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Tue Nov 06, 2018 7:35 pm

He undoubtedly had potential and was undoubtedly a good player for us. He also showed great promise early on for Southampton.

However the fact remains that, especially since his bad injury he never pushed on to the top level.

He averaged 1 in 5 last season and was relegated. And has 26 premier league goals in his career. (four full seasons after his injury). And only had one good season at that level. He will be 30 at the start of next season and the reality is he isnt going to improve. He is older than all of Wood, Vokes, Barnes and Vydra. And while for sentiment it would be nice to sign him there can be no time for sentiment.

I like the lad. But would be very disappointed if this is the vision we have for the future - especially when we bring in a new sporting director.

Put it this way, if we were signing Saido Berahino who is 4 years younger and an almost identical premier league record to Jay including his one excellent season at that level, what would peoples reaction be?

jrgbfc · Post by **jrgbfc** » Tue Nov 06, 2018 7:59 pm

If Dyche continues to insist on only buying British players then realistically Rodriguez is about as good as we can do. For me he's definitely an upgrade on Barnes and Vokes, haven't seen enough of Vydra to judge yet. I know it won't be popular with plenty on here but I'd see if West Brom were interested in Barnes going that way as part of the deal.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Tue Nov 06, 2018 8:12 pm

jrgbfc wrote:If Dyche continues to insist on only buying British players then realistically Rodriguez is about as good as we can do. For me he's definitely an upgrade on Barnes and Vokes, haven't seen enough of Vydra to judge yet. I know it won't be popular with plenty on here but I'd see if West Brom were interested in Barnes going that way as part of the deal.

Barnes is younger and his record is almost identical.

A straight swap and maybe would be a reasonable deal.

Wokingclaret · Post by **Wokingclaret** » Tue Nov 06, 2018 9:27 pm

Jay is not the answer

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:43 am

cricketfieldclarets wrote: Put it this way, if we were signing Saido Berahino who is 4 years younger and an almost identical premier league record to Jay including his one excellent season at that level, what would peoples reaction be?

People’s reaction would be why are we signing a fat lazy druggy cry baby spoilt brat who has not scored or even had a single decent game in Premier League for several years when we could be signing Jay who scored plenty last season for a team that got relegated and has also had a good start to this season.

I reckon that’s what the reaction would be CC !!

You need to think of a better example than that

Im_not_Robbie_Blake · Post by **Im_not_Robbie_Blake** » Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:17 am

Wokingclaret wrote:Jay is not the answer

If the question is "Who is the best all-round striker who is also likely to score the most goals for Burnley? You can choose from Vokes, Vydra, Wood, Barnes and Rodriguez" I believe that it is!

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:27 am

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Put it this way, if we were signing Saido Berahino who is 4 years younger and an almost identical premier league record to Jay including his one excellent season at that level, what would peoples reaction be?

"Almost identical"

Even if we discount the fact that Berahino's last PL goal came in February 2016 (with the one before that in October 2015), Rodriguez's 33 goals in 141 games is not almost identical to Berahino's 23 in 133.

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:41 am

He is better than any of our current front four. He jumps higher to win flick ons, so could play as the lone front man. He is comfortable carrying the ball so can play in a wider or No. 10position. He holds the ball up as well as any of the other 4. He has more pace than our 3 big lads.
Needs doing in the first week of January or drop it and move on.

Papabendi · Post by **Papabendi** » Wed Nov 07, 2018 12:05 pm

sounds like a great strategy to try and sign him in January as opposed to the summer

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Wed Nov 07, 2018 12:30 pm

TVC15 wrote:People’s reaction would be why are we signing a fat lazy druggy cry baby spoilt brat who has not scored or even had a single decent game in Premier League for several years when we could be signing Jay who scored plenty last season for a team that got relegated and has also had a good start to this season.

I reckon that’s what the reaction would be CC !!

You need to think of a better example than that

He scored 7. Which is less than Barnes and Wood. And also hasnt scored double figures since before Vokes did at this level. So its not an improvement in that sense.

And the reality is, as bad as Berahino has been (on and off the field) Jay still hasnt ended up with a better record at this level.

We need to improve on what we have. Since his injury Jay hasnt proved that he is better for us now than Barnes, Wood or Vokes.

Its 7 years since his outstanding championship season for us and its 5 years since his single outstanding premier league season.

So the comparison with Berahino (attitude aside) is a fair one.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Wed Nov 07, 2018 12:33 pm

Tall Paul wrote:"Almost identical"

Even if we discount the fact that Berahino's last PL goal came in February 2016 (with the one before that in October 2015), Rodriguez's 33 goals in 141 games is not almost identical to Berahino's 23 in 133.

Or conversely:

Berahino one outstanding premier legue season. 14 goals 4 years ago.
Rodriguez one outstanding premier league season. 15 goals 5 years ago.
Berahino 24.
Rodriguez 29.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Wed Nov 07, 2018 12:39 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Or conversely:

Berahino one outstanding premier legue season. 14 goals 4 years ago.
Rodriguez one outstanding premier league season. 15 goals 5 years ago.
Berahino 24.
Rodriguez 29.

It doesn't matter how you spin it, Rodriguez's PL record is not "almost identical" to Berahino's, it's significantly better.

You could argue that neither of them have stellar records, but to argue that they're almost identical, or even similar, is ludicrous and demonstrably not true.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Wed Nov 07, 2018 12:55 pm

so 23 and 33 in 5 premier league seasons apiece.

So around 5 and 6 goals a year for both of them. Neither an improvement on what we have.

I am not for one minute saying we should sign Barhino - he would be an equally poor signing!

Murger · Post by **Murger** » Wed Nov 07, 2018 12:58 pm

If £20m gets you Jay Rod, then why the hell do we persist shopping in the most expensive market?

jrgbfc · Post by **jrgbfc** » Wed Nov 07, 2018 1:04 pm

He is a far better all round player than Barnes and Vokes in my opinion.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Wed Nov 07, 2018 1:15 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:so 23 and 33 in 5 premier league seasons apiece.

So around 5 and 6 goals a year for both of them. Neither an improvement on what we have.

I am not for one minute saying we should sign Barhino - he would be an equally poor signing!

More disingenuous use of statistics.

Why have you rounded Berahino's average up to 5 per year and rounded Rodriguez's down to 6?

Nonayforever · Post by **Nonayforever** » Wed Nov 07, 2018 1:18 pm

We have a shed full of goalies so might as well stock up on strikers.

Spike · Post by **Spike** » Wed Nov 07, 2018 1:18 pm

if the board want him then time they stopped fannying around

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Wed Nov 07, 2018 1:19 pm

Tall Paul wrote:More disingenuous use of statistics.

Why have you rounded Berahino's average up to 5 per year and rounded Rodriguez's down to 6?

I said around 5 or 6. I couldnt be arsed getting the calculator out to work out the average of two distinctly average goal records.