Scudamore - I hope we told them to do one

[Clarets4me]

That would make his advisors the worst advisors in the history of advice.
A group of greedy wealthy owners who couldn't give a turd about our game asked him to generate more money. We don't like what it stands for but he did what he was asked to do and did it superbly well

So you think he should accept the Golden Handshake ? I might be being thick, but I'm not sure what your meaning is ?

[cricketfieldclarets]

So you think he should accept the Golden Handshake ? I might be being thick, but I'm not sure what your meaning is ?

Of course he should

[tim_noone]

So you think he should accept the Golden Handshake ? I might be being thick, but I'm not sure what your meaning is ?

I think it means the premier league being awash with billions is down to scudamore so he was paid accordingly. on the golden handshake possibly badly advised he won't take it,but what do I know...a lowly goat herder.

[Clarets4me]

I think it means the premier league being awash with billions is down to scudamore so he was paid accordingly. on the golden handshake possibly badly advised he won't take it,but what do I know...a lowly goat herder.

Nonsense, I understand that you were recently impersonating Henry Kissinger, shortly before giving a Ladies' breast some much needed attention in the Ightenhill area, lowly goat herder indeed ! Before you turn in, remember to pack the Craft knife in your " bag of tricks " !

[tim_noone]

Nonsense, I understand that you were recently impersonating Henry Kissinger, shortly before giving a Ladies' breast some much needed attention in the Ightenhill area, lowly goat herder indeed ! Before you turn in, remember to pack the Craft knife in your " bag of tricks " !

Haha..." Rumletonk" strikes again

[dsr]

I'm not going to rush to judgement based on partial information, seems to me that if all 20 clubs agree to it there's likely to be a strong underlying business case for the payment.

If there is, it can only be hush money for covering up something that the league doesn't want him to talk about. There is no suggestion that he is going to do £5m worth of work, and it isn't a payment to encourage someone else to take the job because the post has already been filled. You don't gain any business advantage by throwing money at the back of someone who is walking out the door for the last time.

[snapcrackleandpop]

Heard on the radio this morning he received £11 MILLION QUID for the last 2 TV deals he did, so he can get to f*** for me.

[Sproggy]

..for which he has been paid £900,000 per year as a basic salary with an EXTRA £1,600,000 in bonuses.

[Rumbletonk]

So you think he should accept the Golden Handshake ? I might be being thick, but I'm not sure what your meaning is ?

If someone offered me 5mill because they think I'd done a good job I'd take it. Anyone would

[Roosterbooster]

Never had a bonus?
Maybe you should speak to your employer.

As for expecting one, do you think he's asked for this payment?
From what I've seen its the clubs doing it.

Public service mate. I’ll never receive a bonus in my life.

Even if he didn’t ask for it:
Firstly, it should never have been considered, especially asking other clubs (which should be representing local communities) to fund it
Secondly, he should refuse it, and as others have done, point out where this money could be better spent

It’s just making the rich richer, and the poorer more disillusioned. It reflects the sad state of reality, that top level football is more interested in looking after the bigwigs, than representing their communities

[boatshed bill]

He did his job and he did it excellently.

It's only right he gets a decent send off, because let's be honest without the PL/Sky money where would Burnley be?
Along with numerous other clubs...

He didn't exactly give us PL status.
If he had anything about him he'd turn it down, he will have a multitude of high earning opportunities in the future.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

He didn't exactly give us PL status.
If he had anything about him he'd turn it down, he will have a multitude of high earning opportunities in the future.

Correct, he didn't give us PL status, I never suggested he did.
My point being the TV money helps keep the club going.

[Royboyclaret]

Interesting development today in that five clubs oppose the idea, including Fulham.

Wolves as yet undecided, but Cardiff are in favour.

[duncandisorderly]

What's the worst that can happen if we don't pay it?

What good does paying it do?

[jrgbfc]

How about every club gives an extra 250 grand to grassroots football instead?

[boatshed bill]

[quote="GodIsADeeJay81"
My point being the TV money helps keep the club going.[/quote]

Or you could say it's completely ruining football.

[Royboyclaret]

Sounds like 15 clubs will contribute leaving the £1.25m balance to be met by the PL, so that Scudamore will receive his leaving bonus.

Burnley, as ever, appear to be keeping a dignified silence.

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

How about every club gives an extra 250 grand to grassroots football instead?

Exactly why not donate it all to grass roots I’m sure he can afford it.

[boatshed bill]

We live in a fecked up world, constantly rewarding the rich whilst kicking the poor in the nuts.
This stinks of a sporting organisation which has completely lost touch with its origins.

[Spijed]

Sounds like 15 clubs will contribute leaving the £1.25m balance to be met by the PL, so that Scudamore will receive his leaving bonus.

Burnley, as ever, appear to be keeping a dignified silence.

Despite all the faults of the Premier League we can't have any complaints considering we've benefited enormously with the finances.

[duncandisorderly]

Despite all the faults of the Premier League we can't have any complaints considering we've benefited enormously with the finances.

Maybe so, but as a community hub in an impoverished town in the grim northwest we can do something better with 250k than line the pockets of the already wealthy.

[Royboyclaret]

Despite all the faults of the Premier League we can't have any complaints considering we've benefited enormously with the finances.

Absolutely.......Including this season the TV money is in excess of £400 million for our few seasons in the Premier League, so in many ways we have a considerable amount for which to thank Scudamore.

[conyoviejo]

Absolutely.......Including this season the TV money is in excess of £400 million for our few seasons in the Premier League, so in many ways we have a considerable amount for which to thank Scudamore.

Surely we can thank him without wasting a quarter of a million pounds .

[mikeconroy10]

I'd argue that it's the players who have benefited the most from all this TV money! Most clubs are still running at a loss, or very close to break even. All the extra cash that has come from the TV money has basically gone on bigger and bigger player wages. Send the collection plate around the changing rooms before training tomorrow.

[Royboyclaret]

Maybe so, but as a community hub in an impoverished town in the grim northwest we can do something better with 250k than line the pockets of the already wealthy.

Let's give our Club a bit of credit here, any contribution of £250k, or otherwise, will in no way impact on the generosity already shown to the local community.

[Royboyclaret]

I'd argue that it's the players who have benefited the most from all this TV money! Most clubs are still running at a loss, or very close to break even. All the extra cash that has come from the TV money has basically gone on bigger and bigger player wages. Send the collection plate around the changing rooms before training tomorrow.

That's not the case. Every single PL club, in the last set of accounts, reported a Profit.

[duncandisorderly]

Let's give our Club a bit of credit here, any contribution of £250k, or otherwise, will in no way impact on the generosity already shown to the local community.

Not the point really Roy. We could become exemplars against the ever expanding behemoth that is televised football by not kowtowing to an entity that, whilst he has helped us indirectly, cares not a jot about our club or fans and will probably privately bemoan our inclusion at the expense of, say, Leeds, that viewing figures are not higher.
We are not Burnley Football Club to these people, we are 'X club = Y amount of money'. As are all clubs, but we're at the lower end of that scale.

A brave, community orientated football club, punching above its weight, with ideas above its station, should, respectfully, tell the FA to go **** themselves and make a public declaration of investing the requested 250k into community infrastructure or support.

[Royboyclaret]

Not the point really Roy. We could become exemplars against the ever expanding behemoth that is televised football by not kowtowing to an entity that, whilst he has helped us indirectly, cares not a jot about our club or fans and will probably privately bemoan our inclusion at the expense of, say, Leeds, that viewing figures are not higher.
We are not Burnley Football Club to these people, we are 'X club = Y amount of money'. As are all clubs, but we're at the lower end of that scale.

A brave, community orientated football club, punching above its weight, with ideas above its station, should, respectfully, tell the FA to go **** themselves and make a public declaration of investing the requested 250k into community infrastructure or support.

I understand your sentiments, but the fact remains the £400million Income is revenue that we might only have dreamed of just a few seasons ago. As regards the £250k payment, as I already alluded to, this will in no way impact on the already fantastic work we do in the local community.

[Spijed]

Not the point really Roy. We could become exemplars against the ever expanding behemoth that is televised football by not kowtowing to an entity that, whilst he has helped us indirectly, cares not a jot about our club or fans and will probably privately bemoan our inclusion at the expense of, say, Leeds, that viewing figures are not higher.
We are not Burnley Football Club to these people, we are 'X club = Y amount of money'. As are all clubs, but we're at the lower end of that scale.

A brave, community orientated football club, punching above its weight, with ideas above its station, should, respectfully, tell the FA to go **** themselves and make a public declaration of investing the requested 250k into community infrastructure or support.

The counter argument to that is that we are more than happy to accept the millions that have come our way. At no point have we turned around to the PL and said the money generated is immoral.

A brand new training complex, redevelopment of the club shop, brand new disabled facilities have been paid for from the finances generated by the PL, and we are more than happy to accept that.

[duncandisorderly]

I understand your sentiments, but the fact remains the £400million Income is revenue that we might only have dreamed of just a few seasons ago. As regards the £250k payment, as I already alluded to, this will in no way impact of the already fantastic work we do in the local community.

I know it won't, and I'm not trying to play down the role of the club in the community, but it doesn't mean we should pay it.
Imagine the press coverage if, with that 250k, we did up the shop fronts on Yorkshire St, or paid the rent for a dozen stalls in the market, or paid for the beer delivery at the 110 club.
I don't mean some some trite charity contribution, but actively going round local Burnley businesses spending money that would otherwise go to an individual who earns more in a year than some of these businesses do in five.

He doesn't need it. Burnley town centre does. Much more so than Chelsea or Fulham or Cardiff or Manchester or Newcastle....250k goes nowhere in London, but it goes a long way in Burnley.

[mikeconroy10]

Postby Royboyclaret » Wed Nov 14, 2018 9:19 pm
mikeconroy10 wrote:
I'd argue that it's the players who have benefited the most from all this TV money! Most clubs are still running at a loss, or very close to break even. All the extra cash that has come from the TV money has basically gone on bigger and bigger player wages. Send the collection plate around the changing rooms before training tomorrow.


That's not the case. Every single PL club, in the last set of accounts, reported a Profit.

Well that's part of my argument shot to sh*t!! The point still remains though that the players are a major beneficiary of the Premier League money, and agents for that matter. I imagine the top flight average wage now compared to the pre Premier League TV money days is pretty ridiculous. So if a huge leaving gift is necessary, on top of the wages and bonuses he's already been paid, then let the players and agents get their hands in their pockets too!

[Sproggy]

Maybe we could give him 250k for the increased money we get from TV revenue and he could give us 250k back to help subside the fact that we now have to pay ordinary Championship players 40k a week instead of 4?

The bloke has received huge bonuses throughout his tenure including 1.6 million last year alone. Now he's getting an extra 5 million bonus bonus. Disgusting.

[whentheballmoves]

Give him a case of bene instead...
But only if he collects it from the miners' club!

[cricketfieldclarets]

I know it won't, and I'm not trying to play down the role of the club in the community, but it doesn't mean we should pay it.
Imagine the press coverage if, with that 250k, we did up the shop fronts on Yorkshire St, or paid the rent for a dozen stalls in the market, or paid for the beer delivery at the 110 club.
I don't mean some some trite charity contribution, but actively going round local Burnley businesses spending money that would otherwise go to an individual who earns more in a year than some of these businesses do in five.

He doesn't need it. Burnley town centre does. Much more so than Chelsea or Fulham or Cardiff or Manchester or Newcastle....250k goes nowhere in London, but it goes a long way in Burnley.

There are over 300 businesses in burnley. Which ones miss out? Or do we give them 800 quid each?

[duncandisorderly]

The counter argument to that is that we are more than happy to accept the millions that have come our way. At no point have we turned around to the PL and said the money generated is immoral.

A brand new training complex, redevelopment of the club shop, brand new disabled facilities have been paid for from the finances generated by the PL, and we are more than happy to accept that.

Of course. That is our income by virtue of our status within the game. It's revenue and we spend it as we see fit.
This is something different. If a 250k donation to grass roots football had been made at the request of the departing chief exec then it's done, no questions asked. But this to line an already rich mans pockets. Why?

I'll phrase it a different way....you're a photographer a bit yeah? So, the chief exec of Nikon is retiring, and he wants every person who ever bought his cameras to send him £50. You'd do it, right? Because you've either made money or had enjoyment out of his idea, so you've no reason not to, after all without him you wouldn't even have a camera to complain/show off about.
It's ludicrous.

[Royboyclaret]

I know it won't, and I'm not trying to play down the role of the club in the community, but it doesn't mean we should pay it.
Imagine the press coverage if, with that 250k, we did up the shop fronts on Yorkshire St, or paid the rent for a dozen stalls in the market, or paid for the beer delivery at the 110 club.
I don't mean some some trite charity contribution, but actively going round local Burnley businesses spending money that would otherwise go to an individual who earns more in a year than some of these businesses do in five.

He doesn't need it. Burnley town centre does. Much more so than Chelsea or Fulham or Cardiff or Manchester or Newcastle....250k goes nowhere in London, but it goes a long way in Burnley.

Well, perhaps we're one of the 5 of 20 clubs that are opposed to making a contribution.

[duncandisorderly]

There are over 300 businesses in burnley. Which ones miss out? Or do we give them 800 quid each?

If need be, yeah. Give it to 2br and say 'each business gets 800 quid of air play'. That's about a month each, if it's a generic advert with each name thrown in with 'associated with Burnley Football Club in the Community, a Premier Club for a Premier Town' taking up 10 seconds of air time each time. Win win.

[Clarets4me]

If someone offered me 5mill because they think I'd done a good job I'd take it. Anyone would

Indeed you would, if I would, as I suspect you and I are operating at a similar level ...

However, Mr Scudamore has been richly financially rewarded beyond the dreams of most of us, for the excellent job he's done. At his rarified level, his gracious turning down of this proposed " Golden Goodbye " would set him apart from those who've brought adverse publicity upon themselves in the world of FTSE 100/250 Companies over the last few years. The Chair of Persimmon, the construction Company, who accepted an £80m+ annual bonus & then had to resign, Philip Green with BHS and his " Metoo# " issues, Fred Goodwin at RBS, and many others...

By setting this example, he'd pick up as many non-executive Directorships etc.. ( £35k for 7 days work a year ) as he wanted, from Companies eager to be seen to take on a man of his wisdom, ability and morality, as well as speaking engagements etc ...

[GodIsADeeJay81]

[quote="GodIsADeeJay81"
My point being the TV money helps keep the club going.

Or you could say it's completely ruining football.[/quote]

Yeah you could but football wasn't in a great state before the Sky money was it?
It wasn't overly competitive anyway in the top flight prior to the PL, hadn't been for a couple of decades looking at the list of title winners.

Dilapidated stadiums, wasn't a family friendly atmosphere, hooligan issue, dwindling attendances...

But let's blame Sky's money for allegedly ruining the game

[GodIsADeeJay81]

The counter argument to that is that we are more than happy to accept the millions that have come our way. At no point have we turned around to the PL and said the money generated is immoral.

A brand new training complex, redevelopment of the club shop, brand new disabled facilities have been paid for from the finances generated by the PL, and we are more than happy to accept that.

Take your sensible answer and bugger off.

[Reecey1987]

The five clubs who refused to pay up £250k for the Scudamore bonus are rumoured to be Huddersfield, Wolves, Leicester, Burnley and Crystal Palace

[Lancasterclaret]

Only a rumour, but I'm glad we are in that rumour.

Though it has to be said we've probably benefited more than anyone from the work Scudamore has done.

[Bordeauxclaret]

Perhaps if Theresa May pulls a miracle out of her arse and makes us all better off we can have a whip round for her as well.

[boatshed bill]

Or you could say it's completely ruining football.

Yeah you could but football wasn't in a great state before the Sky money was it?
It wasn't overly competitive anyway in the top flight prior to the PL, hadn't been for a couple of decades looking at the list of title winners.

Dilapidated stadiums, wasn't a family friendly atmosphere, hooligan issue, dwindling attendances...

But let's blame Sky's money for allegedly ruining the game [/quote]

Football across the board isn't doing as well as you might think.
Premier league footballers are doing very well, as are many championship players, but there is huge debt.

Frankly, it's the players who should (if anyone) have a whip-round for poor old Scudamore.

[NottsClaret]

This is the same thinking that led to bankers getting multi million pound bonuses before the crash. As if the profits were all down to them, so they deserved it. But they were exactly the same people who f***ed it up.

The clubs, the fans and the football is what billions of people around the world pay to watch. Scudamore's been in the job while this cash has been generated, but he didn't magic up any more cash in the last deal. The next one will probably be less, whether he's there or not. Maybe, it's not all down to him. There's thousands of people involved in making the 'product' of the Premier League, this fawning hero worship of the messiah at the top is ludicrous. He did his job well enough, got hugely well rewarded for it and now he's handed his notice in. That's the end of it.

And why the hell would we listen to what Bruce Buck says? Who put him in charge of Burnley's finances?

[Chester Perry]

The next deal is down £500m domestically but adding in the global sales will be about 20% up at over £9billion - the problem for the 14 is that they have changed the distribution of global sales from equal shares to part league table based - this will further widen the gap in monetary distribution within the league - all this detail is in the magic money tree thread as was the detail in the OP

[Spijed]

To say Sky is ruining football couldn't be further from the truth.

On the 15th October 1983 Arsenal lost at home to Coventry 1-0 and the crowd was?

A massive 20,290!

That's less than we average.

If supporters think football isn't as exciting these days, I really wonder what the problem was in the 1980's?

[Falcon]

Rumours abound on Twitter than 5 clubs have objected to paying this money:

Burnley, Crystal Palace, Huddersfield, Leicester and Wolves.

Good on us if true.

[Quickenthetempo]

While we pay turnstile/catering staff etc minimum wage, I will be disgusted at our club if we pay that bonus.

[Cleveleys_claret]

We are one of 5 clubs refusing to pay the money. Good on the board. We might not be the biggest of clubs but we lead the way where values are concerned. Surely a donation of 250k to each clubs surrounding areas for grassroots football would have been much better, if at all as it is such a ludicrous request