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Re: Working from home

Post by Burnley1989 » Fri Mar 19, 2021 10:46 pm

clarethomer wrote:
Fri Mar 19, 2021 9:27 pm
They have been doing this to office workers for decades now already.

The biggest fear for workers is robotics and automation - not offshoring jobs.
We have to embrace automation and robotics, stop seeing it as the devil, as someone who’s experienced in this, I sell automation to companies based on ‘taking away the small none value added repetitive tasks’ So your intelligent work force can use the clever brains they have.
You’ve got engineers moaning about work going abroad but then moaning about any sort of improvement that keeps the work in the UK

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Re: Working from home

Post by Volvoclaret » Fri Mar 19, 2021 11:00 pm

Chobulous wrote:
Fri Mar 19, 2021 10:14 pm
I wish that gave me light bulb moment, but there was a point in my life when I was between wives that I seemed to lose items of clothing every week. Usually after a lost weekend
Between wives, are you a mormon?😲

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Re: Working from home

Post by clarethomer » Fri Mar 19, 2021 11:02 pm

Burnley1989 wrote:
Fri Mar 19, 2021 10:46 pm
We have to embrace automation and robotics, stop seeing it as the devil, as someone who’s experienced in this, I sell automation to companies based on ‘taking away the small none value added repetitive tasks’ So your intelligent work force can use the clever brains they have.
You’ve got engineers moaning about work going abroad but then moaning about any sort of improvement that keeps the work in the UK
I know that there is value to add with automation and robotics and we use it at work. I personally don't fear it either as you say, it does allow your workforce to focus on the value add stuff but are a very long way off replacing humans.

My point was simply to highlight that if someone wanted to get rid of your cost from a business, offshoring had been happening for decades and it may well be automation, robotics and technology that will start to remove work from your job in the future.

The Amazon store is a good example of how to run a store with a lower headcount - compare that model against a supermarket and whilst you still need people to stock the shelves etc and there will be humans but they don't need to employ people to sit at tills.

In financial services - this is the future - AI to deal with the standard, high volume, low value transactions. https://amelia.com/amelia/?__hstc=19234 ... =793416603. However, you wouldn't go to 'Amelia' to get her to provide you complex financial and tax advice.

I think if you get the blend right, you are onto a winner.
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Re: Working from home

Post by Devils_Advocate » Fri Mar 19, 2021 11:03 pm

Volvoclaret wrote:
Fri Mar 19, 2021 11:00 pm
Between wives, are you a mormon?😲
Too many M's in your post mate :shock:
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Re: Working from home

Post by Paul Waine » Sat Mar 20, 2021 12:12 am

BenWickes wrote:
Fri Mar 19, 2021 3:56 pm
I'm tending to agree. I was told last week by someone working from home, to contact a specific email address in regards to an important issue. I duly did on Monday just gone. I contacted another department yesterday as no response from said email and have had no response to that either.
Getting a distinct impression they're only putting in minimal effort compared to if they were actually in an office environment.
I've received a few emails over the past 12 months that start out with "apologies for the delay in responding...." or simply "there will be a delay in responding...." we are all working remotely.

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Re: Working from home

Post by Paul Waine » Sat Mar 20, 2021 12:23 am

Quickenthetempo wrote:
Fri Mar 19, 2021 4:19 pm
It's win win win for the companies. Less overheads, travel expenses and the employee picks up the leccy bill.
1) You can claim "leccy" from tax if you wfh - I think it's £6/week - Martin Lewis mentioned it yesterday (18th);

2) There's a big loss in "growth" opportunities for companies where people are working from home. Imagine how the new employee get's to know colleagues and builds networks, when they only "meet" on zoom? How do the young grads, apprentices and trainees learn their job when they aren't in the office and are missing out on all the social side of their development? How do managers choose who to promote (and who needs further assistance) when staff aren't in the office.

My prediction is that the better firms will get people back in the office, maybe 4 days a week will be the "new norm" with the 5th day wfh and catching up with all the stuff that can be done without involving other people.

I was in an (online) presentation that included discussion about future work patterns last year. One of the speakers was from BAE. While lots of the other speakers had been making the case for wfh he explained that there were challenges trying to build a fighter plane on your kitchen table... and then there was all the "top secret" and "security" stuff.

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Re: Working from home

Post by Devils_Advocate » Sat Mar 20, 2021 12:46 am

Paul Waine wrote:
Sat Mar 20, 2021 12:23 am
1) You can claim "leccy" from tax if you wfh - I think it's £6/week - Martin Lewis mentioned it yesterday (18th);

2) There's a big loss in "growth" opportunities for companies where people are working from home. Imagine how the new employee get's to know colleagues and builds networks, when they only "meet" on zoom? How do the young grads, apprentices and trainees learn their job when they aren't in the office and are missing out on all the social side of their development? How do managers choose who to promote (and who needs further assistance) when staff aren't in the office.

My prediction is that the better firms will get people back in the office, maybe 4 days a week will be the "new norm" with the 5th day wfh and catching up with all the stuff that can be done without involving other people.

I was in an (online) presentation that included discussion about future work patterns last year. One of the speakers was from BAE. While lots of the other speakers had been making the case for wfh he explained that there were challenges trying to build a fighter plane on your kitchen table... and then there was all the "top secret" and "security" stuff.
My experience is the polar opposite of this.

We have had a Grad in placement for the last 6 months and she has not had in person contact with anyone and it has been the most successful grad placement we have had with her picking up the job role brilliantly, becoming part of the team and really developing herself. We are gutted that she is set to move on soon

I have also moved into a new role and had to engage with at least 50 new key stakeholders across my workstreams. Usually I have always liked to get in a room with people to build that initial trust but its amazing how adaptable you become and I now find the interactive tools far better for driving collaborative working

As for identifying top performers and developing staff and promoting them again I have seen no challenge around a remote working environment

The flexibility and freedom homeworking gives have helped people manage their diaries and catching up with people individually or in groups is so much easier. The people I work with are spread across the country and it used to be awful when you ran workshops and large calls where half the people were in the room and half was on the end of a phone line so again video calls are much better

There's a balance to be had but when our office spaces open up again it is likely we will use the office one or two days per week where we can benefit from F2F meetings and its likely we'll plan specific days each week to all get in at the same time

It wont suit every individual or business the same so im sure the options and flexibility will be there for everyone to get the best out of themselves but in terms of the last 12 months then the working environment and culture it has driven has been one of the real positives that has come out of an awful situation
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Re: Working from home

Post by Jakubclaret » Sat Mar 20, 2021 1:18 am

I’ve preferred working from home as it easier you don’t have to work as hard, I used to hide a lot when I was at work but as the old saying goes a good employee is hard to find & I certainly was, less bitching & backbiting out of the workplace as well which is a positive.

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Re: Working from home

Post by Woodleyclaret » Sat Mar 20, 2021 5:25 am

Having gone back to school after working via Teams I much prefer school based, even with my 30 min commute to Brentford via the M4
The pupils suffered at home with internet issues and loss of physical contact with mates. I worked twice as long following up parents explaining the lesson and homework for online submission then weekend marking,which wouldn't have happened if I was travelling for weekends in Burnley

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Re: Working from home

Post by Chobulous » Sat Mar 20, 2021 1:59 pm

Volvoclaret wrote:
Fri Mar 19, 2021 11:00 pm
Between wives, are you a mormon?😲
I’ve got it, it’s Carl. You’ve changed your username
How are you, still in Worsthorne?

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Re: Working from home

Post by Volvoclaret » Sat Mar 20, 2021 3:50 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:
Fri Mar 19, 2021 11:03 pm
Too many M's in your post mate :shock:
What's a Ormon DA? :lol:
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Re: Working from home

Post by Volvoclaret » Sat Mar 20, 2021 3:54 pm

Chobulous wrote:
Sat Mar 20, 2021 1:59 pm
I’ve got it, it’s Carl. You’ve changed your username
How are you, still in Worsthorne?
It would really screw you up if I said it isn't :D but you're right
Yep still up here. How you doing m8

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Re: Working from home

Post by Chobulous » Sat Mar 20, 2021 4:22 pm

I’m fine, tried to retire 2 years ago, but got cabin fever after a month so I’ve been doing contract work since then. Finally decided to call it a day yesterday after working from home for the HSE for a while.

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Re: Working from home

Post by ClaretDiver » Sat Mar 20, 2021 4:46 pm

I work for Sky and have been working from home since lockdown 1....when things start to open back up we are going to be moving to a blended work option, maybe a day a week in the call centre and then 3 days from home...it works...no company should be using the fact that employees are working from home as an excuse for anything...we are as efficient as if we were in the call centre

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Re: Working from home

Post by Volvoclaret » Sat Mar 20, 2021 4:57 pm

I'm similar, retired 3 yrs ago but then went freelancing. Do 2-3days from home. Kept me sane over past 12 months.

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Re: Working from home

Post by bodge » Sat Mar 20, 2021 5:23 pm

Do you keep your lights on all day Volvo ?

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Re: Working from home

Post by Volvoclaret » Sat Mar 20, 2021 5:25 pm

I try to light up everyone's day.😉

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Re: Working from home

Post by bodge » Sat Mar 20, 2021 5:27 pm

I'm sure you do ;)

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Re: Working from home

Post by Volvoclaret » Sat Mar 20, 2021 5:53 pm

Even into the dark , dank recesses of Yorkshire as I look across the border from my back window.

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Re: Working from home

Post by SammyBoy » Sat Mar 20, 2021 6:30 pm

I'd like to return to the office at least part time, 2 or 3 days a week is my ideal scenario. WFH has obvious benefits but I miss the social aspect of office life, and as someone alluded to earlier even the commute because I used to listen to a lot of podcasts, it was me time and being based entirely at home can become very claustrophobic.

That said, I've been surprised at how much I appear to be in the minority. It feels like where I work 80 to 90% of employees that WFH would be happy never returning and moving to 100% WFH scenario.

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Re: Working from home

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Tue Mar 23, 2021 11:20 am

The last office I worked in, they've announced that they're not expecting to return to normal until next year and will have gradual reintroduction to office work.

1 day a week etc.

I'm a bit surprised by this, as there hasn't been any issues with the remote workers and the warehouse staff haven't missed them either.
I know people who still work there, hence why I know what's going on.

A couple of the office staff really want to return ASAP, even though they're only part time, but most would be happier at home, especially those with younger kids.

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Re: Working from home

Post by claretburns » Tue Mar 23, 2021 11:55 am

From a personal and company perspective working from home was not good for us. Whilst the work did get done, you knew certain employees without managers being able to see what they were doing, as from an office, were taking it easy.

From a personal point of view, I hated working at home, with mental health problems in the past, I cannot be cooped up at home on my own for 3+ months, I needed much social interaction which you get from work, to stop me going to a troubled place.

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Re: Working from home

Post by ewanrob » Tue Mar 23, 2021 1:29 pm

ClaretDiver wrote:
Sat Mar 20, 2021 4:46 pm
I work for Sky and have been working from home since lockdown 1....when things start to open back up we are going to be moving to a blended work option, maybe a day a week in the call centre and then 3 days from home...it works...no company should be using the fact that employees are working from home as an excuse for anything...we are as efficient as if we were in the call centre
Come on then, tips on getting best deals when renewal is up 🤣

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