Southgate Contract to be Extended

[Rileybobs]

They’re the type who don’t know what being a Yes Man means. Yeh , seriously

Can you please help me out and explain in what way Southgate is a ‘yes man’?

[Elizabeth]

You’ve never needed helping out before, the opposite in fact . You’re always telling people what is right according to RileysWorld

[Rileybobs]

You’ve ever needed helping out before, the opposite in fact . You’re always telling people what is right according to RileysWorld

So you can’t explain how he is a yes man? Thanks, that’s what I thought.

[Elizabeth]

I’m not going to stay up all night arguing with you , it’s your trademark on this board

[Rileybobs]

I’m not going to stay up all night arguing with you , it’s your trademark on this board

It doesn’t take all night to answer a simple question. Unless of course you don’t know the answer but you want to maintain a perception that you do.

[yTib]

i can't imagine gareth saying no to anyone.

here is a scenario i think is more than realistic:

me: oi southgate give me your dinner money
gs: yes

[superdimitri]

i can't imagine gareth saying no to anyone.

here is a scenario i think is more than realistic:

me: oi southgate give me your dinner money
gs: yes

You're right. He couldn't say no to the penalty and has regretted it since. He may seem a nice guy, but there's different ways to motivate people other than discipline, so what he may lack in that area he gains in others.

[KRBFC]

Well it could be because he took the national side to our first World Cup semi final in 28 years and has since got to a Nations League Final, qualified for the European Championships with ease and then won the group at said event.

I think all of those ‘achievements’ will rank above what he did at Middlesbrough 12 years ago for any potential or current employer. Particularly as being the manager of a club side is a totally different job than being the manager of an international side. The fact you keep bringing up his time at Middlesbrough just appears desperate.

Incredibly desperate for anyone to mention his time at Middlesbrough 12 years ago, like it makes a blind bit of difference. Most people's thing against Southgate is he didn't deserve to be appointed in the first place, surely there's a better thing to judge him off, like the results in those 5 years in charge and as you say, the results have been very very good especially compared to Roy and Mclaren who ran the national team into the ground imo.

There have been plenty of people in football who didn't deserve to be appointed but then went on to do incredible jobs. Was Dyche ''deserving'' of his appointment here? maybe a bad example but imagine complaining about Dyche didn't deserve to be appointed after the results he's achieved since. Nigel Adkins was a physio at Scunthorpe and got them promoted, were fans complaining about appointing a physio?

[Clarets4me]

Germany scored 4 goals against Portugal .... England scored no goals against Scotland !
I hope England win, but it's difficult to see Germany as anything other than favourites to progress .....

[ClaretLoup]

Pile on then, they are circa 2/1 with most bookies. Good luck, but don't gamble more than you can afford.

[Rileybobs]

Pile on then, they are circa 2/1 with most bookies. Good luck, but don't gamble more than you can afford.

Where can you get 2/1 on Germany to progress?

[taio]

Where can you get 2/1 on Germany to progress?

Other day they were 2/1 with Bet365. Might have changed since.

[KRBFC]

Other day they were 2/1 with Bet365. Might have changed since.

You mean 2/1 to win or 2/1 to progress? very different things.

[taio]

You mean 2/1 to win or 2/1 to progress? very different things.

It was 2/1 to win in 90 mins I think which is different

[ClaretLoup]

Currently 19/10 to win the tie in 90 minutes with Betfair. Germany are evens to qualify England 3/4

Obviously a lot of punters are backing Gareth and the boys to do the job.

[Devils_Advocate]

They are just shy of 2-1 at 19/10 but this is to win in 90 mins so the draw is also priced up. I doubt Germany have ever reached 2-1 to progress but if a lot of £££s is going on England then the bookies will adapt the odds to give them the best profits

[taio]

19/10 for those who keep telling us how rubbish England are, and how they will lose comfortably, is good odds and presumably a no brainier.

[KRBFC]

19/10 for those who keep telling us how rubbish England are, and how they will lose comfortably, is good odds and presumably a no brainier.

Evens for Germany to qualify too

[cricketfieldclarets]

Germany scored 4 goals against Portugal .... England scored no goals against Scotland !
I hope England win, but it's difficult to see Germany as anything other than favourites to progress .....

Croatia scored 0 goals against England. But scored 3 against Spain.

[Vegas Claret]

I just hope we play our attacking players and have a go at them

[Devils_Advocate]

The FA must have told Gareth he had to win

[Devils_Advocate]

Some prize numptys on this thread but my favourite has to be dumb and dumbers exchange of wise words

Rowls - I'm genuinely baffled that *anyone* at all supports Southgate in the role.

Elizabeth - They’re the type who don’t know what being a Yes Man means. Yeh , seriously

[Bosscat]

Knighthood for Southgate if we go on to win this perhaps...

[Elizabeth]

Some prize numptys on this thread but my favourite has to be dumb and dumbers exchange of wise words

Rowls - I'm genuinely baffled that *anyone* at all supports Southgate in the role.

Elizabeth - They’re the type who don’t know what being a Yes Man means. Yeh , seriously

I’ve laughed at you so many times devil I’m going to let you get away with that . You’ve worked so hard

[Bordeauxclaret]

Cheer up Ringo.

[Devils_Advocate]

Cheer up Ringo.

Imagine being such an odious character that you have to make up multiple profiles

[Bordeauxclaret]

Probably drunk again

[tiger76]

I had my doubts about GS, but he just might have come of age as an England manager today, he got his game plan down to a tee today, and even his subs were effective, Grealish in particular impacted the game, yes we got a stroke of fortune when Muller blew that big chance to equalise, but we arguably earnt that luck by being so solid as a unit, and just maybe we won't have to unleash our plethora of attacking talents to win this tournament, another clean sheet today, is that 6 on the spin now, and although Germany had a couple of opportunities, when he was required Pickford proved his worth, and a special word for Harry Maguire his constant organising of the defence was impressive, and if England are going to go all the way that's exactly what is needed, also great for Kane to finally get on the scoresheet hopefully that goal will see him play with more freedom in our upcoming games.

Still plenty of work for England to do, but today was a huge step towards reaching the latter stages of this competition, and as all the players and management highlighted in their post-match interviews we need to ensure beating Germany doesn't count for nothing in the grand scheme of things, yes it's tremendous to finally get the monkey off our back, but unless we go deep in the tournament it will be a hollow victory.

[CrosspoolClarets]

Well, he rode his luck, but better to be lucky than good.

Grealish changed the game and was involved twice in the first goal and the assist from the second, Southgate would claim he was right, his detractors would claim Grealish should have started. Ultimately Saka, Phillips and Rice didn’t look good enough to me at this level. Saka a few moments. I felt Foden and Grealish would offer more. Mount too. We probably needed one holding midfielder I’ll admit.

But good self awareness from Southgate, admitted that to select the players he did, if we lost he was “dead”.

Very happy for him in truth. Now to win the next game. Then, only then, can we start thinking about contracts. Only after the final can we start talking about them.

[KRBFC]

Well, he rode his luck, but better to be lucky than good.

Grealish changed the game and was involved twice in the first goal and the assist from the second, Southgate would claim he was right, his detractors would claim Grealish should have started. Ultimately Saka, Phillips and Rice didn’t look good enough to me at this level. Saka a few moments. I felt Foden and Grealish would offer more. Mount too. We probably needed one holding midfielder I’ll admit.

But good self awareness from Southgate, admitted that to select the players he did, if we lost he was “dead”.

Very happy for him in truth. Now to win the next game. Then, only then, can we start thinking about contracts. Only after the final can we start talking about them.

Your problem is you want to shoe horn players in, square pegs in round holes because of the individual talent of these players, as I mentioned on another thread you're forgetting it's about the TEAM, Gerrard and Lampard didn't work together and neither did Scholes at LM, Southgate has built a TEAM, how many years did we watch England forcing players into the side game after game? finally a manager who doesn't fold to national pressure to pick players.

[BenWickes]

Well, he rode his luck, but better to be lucky than good.

Grealish changed the game and was involved twice in the first goal and the assist from the second, Southgate would claim he was right, his detractors would claim Grealish should have started. Ultimately Saka, Phillips and Rice didn’t look good enough to me at this level. Saka a few moments. I felt Foden and Grealish would offer more. Mount too. We probably needed one holding midfielder I’ll admit.

But good self awareness from Southgate, admitted that to select the players he did, if we lost he was “dead”.

Very happy for him in truth. Now to win the next game. Then, only then, can we start thinking about contracts. Only after the final can we start talking about them.

Poisoned chalice the England job. It was a brave decision to go against the grain and wave of popular opinion. He knew that. I've said on another thread I wouldn't be surprised if he went 3 at the back though. I could see why.
De Boer has gone in the Netherlands job so it's pretty much appropriate for any manager to say they're dead. Fine margins.
It was a brave choice to go with what he did but you can't argue he got it right. He has done all tournament and the aim of the game is to win it. Doesn't matter who you upset, or how negative it is or positive it is. Pick the side that will get you to the next game.
He has.

[Barlickclaret]

Germany scored 4 goals against Portugal .... England scored no goals against Scotland !
I hope England win, but it's difficult to see Germany as anything other than favourites to progress .....

[BenWickes]

I think what he forgot in all that was Portugal forgot how to defend. They were bloody awful defensively that game.

[Vegas Claret]

It entirely depends what you consider success, surely it should be taking the team forward and out performing the previous managers?
Surely you're not another expecting us to win tournaments, expectation should come from previous results and placings. Semi finals of a WC for England is success. It wasn't that long ago we failed to qualify for the Euros with Mcclaren, Roy struggled to qualification and lost to Iceland. We got absolutely battered by the Germans at the WC 4-1. The teams with previous for winning tournaments and going deep typically expect to win tournaments or go on deep runs. We barely reach semi final stages historically.

which is why for the last 20 + years the FA has heavily invested in it's set-up and we now have better technical players coming through in terms of quality and numbers. You seem to think Southgate has done it all on his own and all previous failures were down to the previous managers - you are spectacularly incorrect.

You talk about Scholes stuck on the left wing (he shouldn't have been) - name the top class left winger or 2 we had that would have kept him out of the team ?

[cricketfieldclarets]

I think what he forgot in all that was Portugal forgot how to defend. They were bloody awful defensively that game.

Yeah but Portugal have gone thro… out.

[KRBFC]

which is why for the last 20 + years the FA has heavily invested in it's set-up and we now have better technical players coming through in terms of quality and numbers. You seem to think Southgate has done it all on his own and all previous failures were down to the previous managers - you are spectacularly incorrect.

I think it's more to do with over the last 20 years the PL has become a huge financial beast and foreign owners have dumped billions into the league, the Sheikhs at City and Roman at Chelsea have improved their youth set ups incredibly. England have ALWAYS had good players, good youngsters too, getting them to perform at international level in a team together is something the previous managers have tried to force unsuccessfully.

Like I said, wether you like it or not, Southgate has created and formed a TEAM out of the players at his disposal, regardless of who the fans want to see starting, he's picked players to fit the system. We have West Ham and Leeds in a midfield two, would you rather we keep playing the same Liverpool/Chelsea partnership that clearly doesn't work together? I hated the national team for years, bored shiteless of seeing Gerrard and Lampard in midfield, constant half arsed failure. I quite like this group and really fancy us to win it. On paper you could name like 2 or 3 of this current squad who gets in that Sven/Capello team, this TEAM outworks that one.

The Scholes part I just seen, my point is forcing individuals into a team and expecting them to work doesn't work. This isn't Football Manager, as Burnley fans we should know all about TEAM and not individuals.

[Vegas Claret]

I think it's more to do with over the last 20 years the PL has become a huge financial beast and foreign owners have dumped billions into the league, the Sheikhs at City and Roman at Chelsea have improved their youth set ups incredibly. England have ALWAYS had good players, good youngsters too, getting them to perform at international level in a team together is something the previous managers have tried to force unsuccessfully.

Like I said, wether you like it or not, Southgate has created and formed a TEAM out of the players at his disposal, regardless of who the fans want to see starting, he's picked players to fit the system. We have West Ham and Leeds in a midfield two, would you rather we keep playing the same Liverpool/Chelsea partnership that clearly doesn't work together? I hated the national team for years, bored shiteless of seeing Gerrard and Lampard in midfield, constant half arsed failure. I quite like this group and really fancy us to win it. On paper you could name like 2 or 3 of this current squad who gets in that Sven/Capello team, this TEAM outworks that one.

The Scholes part I just seen, my point is forcing individuals into a team and expecting them to work doesn't work. This isn't Football Manager, as Burnley fans we should know all about TEAM and not individuals.

You are just wrong, we've had smatterings of good players but never had a squad as strong as this - Champions league winners that can't get on the bench let alone the pitch !!

I like Southgate, I've stated that numerous times, I find him too cautious in certain games but not so today, I understood the lineup although I still would have liked to have seen Grealish earlier.

As for "The Scholes part I just seen, my point is forcing individuals into a team and expecting them to work doesn't work" - you seem to fail to acknowledge we simply didn't have any top quality left wingers. You say we've always had top players and it's been the managers that were crap...........World Cup semi final line up in 1990

Peter Shilton
Terry Butcher (captain)
Paul Parker
Stuart Pearce
Des Walker
Mark Wright
Paul Gascoigne
David Platt
Chris Waddle
Peter Beardsley
Gary Lineker

Bobby Robson got that side to a WC semi final, I'd argue there are 2 TOP quality players in that team, there rest were good to very good and no more than that

That's not to down play Southgate in any way shape or form, just to say you believing we've always had really strong squads is in my opinion incorrect

[KRBFC]

You are just wrong, we've had smatterings of good players but never had a squad as strong as this - Champions league winners that can't get on the bench let alone the pitch !!

I like Southgate, I've stated that numerous times, I find him too cautious in certain games but not so today, I understood the lineup although I still would have liked to have seen Grealish earlier.

As for "The Scholes part I just seen, my point is forcing individuals into a team and expecting them to work doesn't work" - you seem to fail to acknowledge we simply didn't have any top quality left wingers. You say we've always had top players and it's been the managers that were crap...........World Cup semi final line up in 1990

Peter Shilton
Terry Butcher (captain)
Paul Parker
Stuart Pearce
Des Walker
Mark Wright
Paul Gascoigne
David Platt
Chris Waddle
Peter Beardsley
Gary Lineker

Bobby Robson got that side to a WC semi final, I'd argue there are 2 TOP quality players in that team, there rest were good to very good and no more than that

That's not to down play Southgate in any way shape or form, just to say you believing we've always had really strong squads is in my opinion incorrect

I said we've always had good players not squads, that team you named was before I was born.

This squad is considerably weaker on paper than Lampard, Rio, Terry, Neville, Cole, J Cole, Beckham, Rooney, Gerrard, Carrick, Scholes etc. The only area this squad is stronger is wide players with Grealish Sterling Sancho Mount Foden Saka etc, the problem is they all play in the same position, you can only fit 2 of them in.

On Paper a combined team would look something like this:-

James
Neville Terry Rio Cole
Gerrard Lampard
Foden Rooney Grealish
Kane.

As for Scholes at LM, I can't remember who the alternatives were, was Joe Cole not around the squad then?

[Jakubclaret]

It just shows how extreme opinions can be from 1 game to the next, in some quarters after the draw with Scotland the bloke wasn’t fit enough to manage a pub team & tonight in some quarters he’s hailed as some of world beating messiah.

[cricketfieldclarets]

You are just wrong, we've had smatterings of good players but never had a squad as strong as this - Champions league winners that can't get on the bench let alone the pitch !!

I like Southgate, I've stated that numerous times, I find him too cautious in certain games but not so today, I understood the lineup although I still would have liked to have seen Grealish earlier.

As for "The Scholes part I just seen, my point is forcing individuals into a team and expecting them to work doesn't work" - you seem to fail to acknowledge we simply didn't have any top quality left wingers. You say we've always had top players and it's been the managers that were crap...........World Cup semi final line up in 1990
Shilton
Terry Butcher (captain)
Paul Parker
Stuart Pearce
Des Walker
Mark Wright
Paul Gascoigne
David Platt
Chris Waddle
Peter Beardsley
Gary Lineker

Bobby Robson got that side to a WC semi final, I'd argue there are 2 TOP quality players in that team, there rest were good to very good and no more than that

That's not to down play Southgate in any way shape or form, just to say you believing we've always had really strong squads is in my opinion incorrect

Shilton - all time cap holder
Terry Butcher (captain) - great player and title winner
Paul Parker - premier league winner under fergie
Stuart Pearce - top quality and very tough left back who was still playing premier league at 40
Des Walker - great defender who went to serie a when they were known for great defenders
Mark Wright - record fee for a defender when Liverpool signed him
Paul Gascoigne - no comment needed
David Platt - world class midfielder who had multiple record moves and played at the highest level in Europe
Chris Waddle - outstanding player who won multiple titles and played in European cup finals for Marseille
Peter Beardsley - see Gazza. Great player
Gary Lineker - 1 goal away from being England’s all time top scorer. World Cup golden boot winner. played for Barcelona ffs

[boatshed bill]

You are just wrong, we've had smatterings of good players but never had a squad as strong as this - Champions league winners that can't get on the bench let alone the pitch !!

I like Southgate, I've stated that numerous times, I find him too cautious in certain games but not so today, I understood the lineup although I still would have liked to have seen Grealish earlier.

As for "The Scholes part I just seen, my point is forcing individuals into a team and expecting them to work doesn't work" - you seem to fail to acknowledge we simply didn't have any top quality left wingers. You say we've always had top players and it's been the managers that were crap...........World Cup semi final line up in 1990

Peter Shilton
Terry Butcher (captain)
Paul Parker
Stuart Pearce
Des Walker
Mark Wright
Paul Gascoigne
David Platt
Chris Waddle
Peter Beardsley
Gary Lineker

Bobby Robson got that side to a WC semi final, I'd argue there are 2 TOP quality players in that team, there rest were good to very good and no more than that

That's not to down play Southgate in any way shape or form, just to say you believing we've always had really strong squads is in my opinion incorrect

Terrific team.

[Vegas Claret]

Grealish Sterling Sancho Mount Foden Saka etc, <-------------so half a squad then ?

On Paper a combined team would look something like this:-

James
Neville Terry Rio Cole
Gerrard Lampard
Foden Rooney Grealish
Kane.

As for Scholes at LM, I can't remember who the alternatives were, was Joe Cole not around the squad then?

With respect, that rests my case if you think Joe Cole was top class - that was always the issue, we did have good players but not enough of them were TOP quality - I genuinely believe we've never had as many as we do in this squad - that's not to say there are weaknesses though because I believe there are.

I'd never have David James in goal either

[Vegas Claret]

Terrific team.

It was decent, Bobby Robson worked miracles - but it in no way competes with the level of quality we currently have

[KRBFC]

Where did I ever say Joe Cole was top class? I don't think half of this Southgate team is top class, Rice Phillips Pickford Mings Trippier Shaw to name a few. It's about the team, not the individuals. England has always been about forcing individuals into a side and hoping they click, now it's about a team effort.

We did have top top quality, Terry Rio A Cole Rooney Lampard Scholes Gerrard Carrick Beckham were all top top top quality. You say we have more top quality now but you couldn't name many who don't play the exact same position.

[BenWickes]

Shilton - all time cap holder
Terry Butcher (captain) - great player and title winner
Paul Parker - premier league winner under fergie
Stuart Pearce - top quality and very tough left back who was still playing premier league at 40
Des Walker - great defender who went to serie a when they were known for great defenders
Mark Wright - record fee for a defender when Liverpool signed him
Paul Gascoigne - no comment needed
David Platt - world class midfielder who had multiple record moves and played at the highest level in Europe
Chris Waddle - outstanding player who won multiple titles and played in European cup finals for Marseille
Peter Beardsley - see Gazza. Great player
Gary Lineker - 1 goal away from being England’s all time top scorer. World Cup golden boot winner. played for Barcelona ffs

You have to wonder how we didn't win it with that team. Waddle, Beardsley, Gazza in midfield. Christ! They'd waltz into any team on the planet even now.

[cricketfieldclarets]

Where did I ever say Joe Cole was top class? I don't think half of this Southgate team is top class, Rice Phillips Pickford Mings Trippier Shaw to name a few. It's about the team, not the individuals. England has always been about forcing individuals into a side and hoping they click, now it's about a team effort.

And this has always been my point. When you think of sacchi at Italy he picked system first and players second.

Many other great Italian and German sides have followed suit.

[Bordeauxclaret]

You have to wonder how we didn't win it with that team. Waddle, Beardsley, Gazza in midfield. Christ! They'd waltz into any team on the planet even now.

Other teams had better players.

[milkcrate_mosh]

1/3rd of our knockout wins since '66 have been won by Southgate, in my lifetime he's managed half of our knockout wins!

I don't think he's a world class manager but the steadfast refusal to extend him any credit in some quarters is looking increasingly silly.

[KRBFC]

Vegas says we have more top quality now, but forgets you have to name a team, his ideal team selection would be

Foden
Mount Maguire Stones Walker
Grealish Saka Rashford Sancho
Kane Sterling

and half of those I mentioned aren't even top quality.

[BenWickes]

Other teams had better players.

It's a distant memory but if so it was only by minute detail. That was a talented group. Not sure if Trevor Steven was in that squad but he was another.