Boris Johnson doesn't want booing at the final

[yTib]

You do know it’s possible to boo something without hating it don’t you? As I said, it’s a pantomime. I’ll boo opposition players and the ref at matches but it doesn’t mean I hate them.

again you quote the pantomime but you yourself cited nazism.

so is it not okay to boo the polish national anthem who as a nation endured much more at the hands of the nazis than the english did?

do you even have a point?

i'm not talking about hatred, there's no way for me to see whether you hate somebody. i'm talking about respect.

you clearly have none.

[elwaclaret]

You do know it’s possible to boo something without hating it don’t you? As I said, it’s a pantomime. I’ll boo opposition players and the ref at matches but it doesn’t mean I hate them.

Are the opposition aware of your ‘joke’ because the one’s I’ve seen are at best non-plussed by it. It is juvenile and inappropriate and completely counter productive.

[martin_p]

again you quote the pantomime but you yourself cited nazism.

so is it not okay to boo the polish national anthem who as a nation endured much more at the hands of the nazis than the english did?

do you even have a point?

i'm not talking about hatred, there's no way for me to see whether you hate somebody. i'm talking about respect.

you clearly have none.

Xenophobia was the word you used, you’ll find the word ‘hatred’ in its definition. So you have decided that people booing national anthems ‘hate’.

[yTib]

Xenophobia was the word you used, you’ll find the word ‘hatred’ in its definition. So you have decided that people booing national anthems ‘hate’.

well the oxford dictionary definition is a 'dislike or prejudice' but congratulations on your pedantry.

all i can really say to you martin is i'll sleep soundly tonight knowing that i was brought up better than you.

[martin_p]

Are the opposition aware of your ‘joke’ because the one’s I’ve seen are at best non-plussed by it. It is juvenile and inappropriate and completely counter productive.

Juvenile? Well thank goodness the rest of being a football supporter is so grown up. The jumping up and down like a loon when a goal goes in, grown men dressing up as footballers, booing opposition players, wearing your lucky pants. Besides, what’s wrong with being juvenile every now and then?

[martin_p]

well the oxford dictionary definition is a 'dislike or prejudice' but congratulations on your pedantry.

all i can really say to you martin is i'll sleep soundly tonight knowing that i was brought up better than you.

You were certain taught a sense of superiority. Dislike/hate, it doesn’t change the point I was making, I.e I can boo someone or something without ‘disliking’ it. (By the way, look up ‘irony’ in your OED next time you call me pedantic then point out a dictionary definition of xenophobia is dislike rather than hate).

[elwaclaret]

Juvenile? Well thank goodness the rest of being a football supporter is so grown up. The jumping up and down like a loon when a goal goes in, grown men dressing up as footballers, booing opposition players, wearing your lucky pants. Besides, what’s wrong with being juvenile every now and then?

Hopefully the world will see fans jumping up and down for joy… that is part of football. Why do you consider booing a National anthem less offensive than burning a flag, they are ostensibly the same thing, are they not?

[yTib]

martin you're the one who has to google big words to see what they mean.

goodnight boy.

[martin_p]

martin you're the one who has to google big words to see what they mean.

goodnight boy.

Says the man who looked it up in the dictionary!

[claretonthecoast1882]

As said by a minority the booing is pantomine and nothing else.

If you want to see a nation filled with hate booing a national anthem go to an England Scotland game up there. The most hate filled bitter country we play. No shock to some of those offended by this, they seem to spend quite a bit of their time offended over something.

Even the Welsh do it and they have little opinion on most things.

[boatshed bill]

If I were good enough to play for England I would be genuinely embarrassed to hear my fans booing any national anthem.
And for those who say it's all part of the "pantomime", Oh NO it's not.

[Darthlaw]

Sure we used to boo anthems in the late 90's then it faded away once we realised what bellends we looked.

Whole new generation to realise, I suspect?

Boo Scotland - Pantomime. Anyone else and it just shows what a mouth breather you are.

[Bordeauxclaret]

Seems for quite a few of ours it’s -

Boo the opposition anthem.
Sing our anthem proudly.
Then boo our players for taking the knee.

Cool, cool.

[Devils_Advocate]

Seems for quite a few of ours it’s -

Boo the opposition anthem.
Sing our anthem proudly.
Then boo our players for taking the knee.

Cool, cool.

...but enough about Priti Patel

[martin_p]

Hopefully the world will see fans jumping up and down for joy… that is part of football. Why do you consider booing a National anthem less offensive than burning a flag, they are ostensibly the same thing, are they not?

Without any context they probably are. But we don’t have a world without context where things always have the same meaning no matter the circumstances. Booing a nations tune when used to represent their football team who you want your team to beat would for example be completely different to booing an anthem played to welcome foreign dignitaries or played at a military passing out parade or a a remembrance service for a country’s war dead. We’re talking about a football match here and if you want to know how important context is you should remember that the Scots booed what is essentially their own anthem given that the English don’t really have a national anthem and use the British one instead. Now unless you can argue that all the Scots booing the anthem were died in the wool nationalists who long for independence then I suspect the national anthem they were booing would, in another context, actually mean something to them.

[JohnMcGreal]

Arsonist half-heartedly reaches for fire extinguisher.

[claretonthecoast1882]

Sure we used to boo anthems in the late 90's then it faded away once we realised what bellends we looked.

Whole new generation to realise, I suspect?

Boo Scotland - Pantomime. Anyone else and it just shows what a mouth breather you are.

Booing Scotland is fine but boo anyone else you are dumb.

Nothing like a bit of equality

[Silkyskills1]

Back at the World Cup in 1958, the King of Sweden banned booing in the final between the host nation and Brazil. This was in response to the booing of the West German team by Swedish fans during the semi final. This was just 13 years after the end of the Second World War by the way. He thought it was disrespectful and not how people should behave. I've only ever seen graIny images of the final so I'm not certain whether the supporters at the final complied.

[Jakubclaret]

It’s absolutely nothing to do with boris Johnson how people decide to express their emotions providing they don’t break the law.

[Silkyskills1]

Aye, Johnson is very strict on people breaking the law.

[Lancasterclaret]

Johnson should keep his nose out

This team is absolutely nothing to do with him, in more ways than one

[groove]

Too much is made of national anthems before matches by the English.
It's jingoistic and whips everybody up into a patriotic frenzy. The Spanish didn't sing one word of their anthem.

[groove]

Too much is made of national anthems before matches by the English.
It's jingoistic and whips everybody up into a patriotic frenzy. The Spanish didn't sing one word of their anthem.

[NottsClaret]

Only problem with England having a bit of success is it pulls in all the middle class types who generally hate football but are happy to climb on a bandwagon and start making moral judgments on how the proles behave, so as we don't spoil their newly discovered pastime.

Boo the anthems and have fun, don't let some broadsheet opinion piece bother you.

[Cirrus_Minor]

I always find the players tone death singing of national anthems toe curlingly embarrassing. And it seems now that media want to focus on each player to see and hear them individually sing makes it worse.

[KateR]

It's really bad behavior and I really dislike to hear the booing and am glad it's been called out, the rest of the drivel spouted hear is just a wind up or pathetic, I for one am embarrassed when I hear it, zero justification. fortunately it is a mindless few that resort to it.

[Darthlaw]

Booing Scotland is fine but boo anyone else you are dumb.

Nothing like a bit of equality

Equality doesn't exist in football rivalries, in case you were struggling with the concept. That's why people are more concerned that we beat Blackburn and not so much Oxford.

Are Scotland a rival of England and recognised on both sides as such?

Germany, who some seem to believe is our rival, regard our rivalry with them as similar to how we regard Stockport claiming to be ours. Their fans see our fans booing as laughable.

[SouthLondonexile]

I’ll give him the BOD. I think he was referring to those fans who boo the England players for taking the knee.
In this regard the prime minister is right to say he doesn’t want booing at the final - or indeed at anytime the players choose to do this.

[claretonthecoast1882]

Equality doesn't exist in football rivalries, in case you were struggling with the concept. That's why people are more concerned that we beat Blackburn and not so much Oxford.

Are Scotland a rival of England and recognised on both sides as such?

Germany, who some seem to believe is our rival, regard our rivalry with them as similar to how we regard Stockport claiming to be ours. Their fans see our fans booing as laughable.

Not struggling with anything, just I would have thought that someone who has strong views on something wouldn't be fine doing exactly the same thing to someone and hide behind "they are rivals".

Saying I am ok with booing some but not all is probably more a thing for how you put it "mouth breathers" than someone who is consistent and either boos none or all. Each to their own though everyone is different.

[RingoMcCartney]

...but enough about Priti Patel

Bit like.

Sneer.

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Photo op, get the shirt on quick! Right, now Cheer!

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[Darthlaw]

Not struggling with anything, just I would have thought that someone who has strong views on something wouldn't be fine doing exactly the same thing to someone and hide behind "they are rivals".

Saying I am ok with booing some but not all is probably more a thing for how you put it "mouth breathers" than someone who is consistent and either boos none or all. Each to their own though everyone is different.

Suggesting that pantomime booing of each others anthems in England vs Scotland would be applied across the board 'for equality', could easily be interpreted as you don't grasp the concept of rivalries whatsoever.

To put it simply just for you, I'm fine with the pantomime banter of booing vs Scotland because I understand the context. The booing of say the Andorra national anthem, just for the hell of it, seems quite dim to me.

[Devils_Advocate]

Bit like.

Sneer.

Calm down dear

I'm not sure when Starmer supported the booing of the England players before jumping on the bandwagon and giving them his support but im sure you'll be able to tell me

[RingoMcCartney]

Calm down dear

I'm not sure when Starmer supported the booing of the England players before jumping on the bandwagon and giving them his support but im sure you'll be able to tell me

Raw nerve touched!

[martin_p]

Calm down dear

I'm not sure when Starmer supported the booing of the England players before jumping on the bandwagon and giving them his support but im sure you'll be able to tell me

I’m also not sure where the flag is in the Starmer picture.

[Devils_Advocate]

Raw nerve touched!

Obviously but im sure Priti's a big girl and doesn't need you to get triggered on her behalf

[aggi]

I was wondering how those that love a bit of jingoism but also idolise Johnson were going to square this circle.

A bit weird to suggest that the politician putting the shirt on for a photo op is the one who is a football season ticket holder and plays football rather than the bloke who hurriedly put an England shirt on over his shirt and tie though.

[elwaclaret]

Booing Scotland is fine but boo anyone else you are dumb.

Nothing like a bit of equality

Scotland don’t have a national anthem… they have a converted folk song. Their national anthem is God Save the Queen, as is Wales

[HahaYeah]

Seems for quite a few of ours it’s -

Boo the opposition anthem.
Sing our anthem proudly.
Then boo our players for taking the knee.

Cool, cool.

Perhaps the England players should take the knee to St George of Floyd while singing the anthem.

[Spijed]

Scotland don’t have a national anthem… they have a converted folk song. Their national anthem is God Save the Queen, as is Wales

And unfortunately for us GSTQ is the musical equivalent of watching paint dry.

[Devils_Advocate]

Perhaps the England players should take the knee to St George of Floyd while singing the anthem.

No need, since the team embraced Marxism we've just got better and better. Next step must be a Marxist govt

[Stayingup]

The knuckle-draggers boo our own players so good luck trying to get them to stop booing the other teams national anthem

Whats a nuckle dragger? If its what I think you mean it is you need to improve your shocking manners.

[Stayingup]

No need, since the team embraced Marxism we've just got better and better. Next step must be a Marxist govt

Well at least Marx got absolutely nothing right!!!

Groucho did though and he was funny.

[rob63]

He'd better not turn up then

[Devils_Advocate]

Whats a nuckle dragger? If its what I think you mean it is you need to improve your shocking manners.

Oxford definition of it is "a stupid or loutish man".

Urban Dictionary definition of it is "Reminiscent of the hunched over cave man, with his arms to the ground. An insult used against those of extremely low intelligence, or general stupidity."

I think both those definitions are a fair description of those who go on a football match to support their national team and then boo them for taking a stand (or a knee) against racism. Anyway its Friday afternoon so dont get yourself so triggered

[Corky]

Someone above said it is juvenile and inappropriate. That, sort of sums it up doesn't it?

[kentonclaret]

Boris Johnson has to take full responsibility.

He took the decision to let the fans back in stadiums.

[JohnMac]

Too much is made of national anthems before matches by the English.
It's jingoistic and whips everybody up into a patriotic frenzy. The Spanish didn't sing one word of their anthem.

There are no Lyrics

[nil_desperandum]

There are no Lyrics

I assume he knew that when he posted it, but I wonder how many posters got the little joke?
To lighten the mood, can anyone- without googling - name any other anthems that have no lyrics?
( I believe there are at least 3 others in Europe)

[Bin Ont Turf]

I'm not really for booing National Anthems, I think it's poor form.

But Rileybobs suggesting that it's only England fans who do it, is an absolute laugh.

[JohnMac]

I assume he knew that when he posted it, but I wonder how many posters got the little joke?
To lighten the mood, can anyone- without googling - name any other anthems that have no lyrics?
( I believe there are at least 3 others in Europe)

San Marino