Ashley Westwood's passing - under the radar

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Re: Ashley Westwood's passing - under the radar

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Sun Nov 07, 2021 10:02 am

taio wrote:
Sun Nov 07, 2021 10:01 am
That's the fella. If I was a manager he'd be about the last type of player I would sign. Not because he's not a good player on his day. Ferguson had it right with him years ago.
Probably a good job you aren’t the manager then.

There’s a reason he is played his whole career at the elite level and won major trophies.

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Re: Ashley Westwood's passing - under the radar

Post by TheFamilyCat » Sun Nov 07, 2021 10:03 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Sun Nov 07, 2021 9:58 am
In arguably our worst performance under Dyche. Not exactly anything to brag about
Not relevant.

Fair play for sticking to your guns and trying to defend yourself though.

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Re: Ashley Westwood's passing - under the radar

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Sun Nov 07, 2021 10:08 am

TheFamilyCat wrote:
Sun Nov 07, 2021 10:03 am
Not relevant.

Fair play for sticking to your guns and trying to defend yourself though.
100% relevant, we were playing against one of the worst teams the premier league has seen and they actually managed the better goal scoring chances.

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Re: Ashley Westwood's passing - under the radar

Post by taio » Sun Nov 07, 2021 10:09 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Sun Nov 07, 2021 10:02 am
Probably a good job you aren’t the manager then.

There’s a reason he is played his whole career at the elite level and won major trophies.
If you can't see the point that's being made you are utterly clueless. Pogba is a fine player when you look at a narrow definition of what a good player is. However when you consider that here Dyche has built everything on teamwork, spirit and togetherness, rather than egos and selfishness, it should be easy to see the point that people wouldn't want his type anywhere near our club. As I say the greatest ever manager got it right once again years ago.
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Re: Ashley Westwood's passing - under the radar

Post by RVclaret » Sun Nov 07, 2021 10:10 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Sun Nov 07, 2021 10:00 am
Are you seriously suggesting that you would rather have Brownhill in our starting eleven than Pogba?
No but unless I’m reading it wrong I’m not sure anyone is suggesting he doesn’t get into our team? Though if he can’t be assed turning up for United I’m not sure we’d get much from him :lol: . More than often overlooked qualities in players, including by yourself, can be teamwork, personality, hard work, positional awareness and consistency (to name a few).

Take Brownhill for example, someone you can’t stand playing for Burnley, have you seen the work in the local community he is doing - off his own back? These are the ‘extra’ qualities that Dyche looks for in his players and the reason he has built this culture at Burnley over 9 years with great success.

Yes ability on the pitch clearly matters too otherwise we couldn’t compete and that’s why recruitment has to be better (like this summers signings) to keep pushing the quality forward.

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Re: Ashley Westwood's passing - under the radar

Post by taio » Sun Nov 07, 2021 10:12 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Sun Nov 07, 2021 9:53 am
Collins was poor in that game.

Decent in the games after. Other people were critical of his newcastle debut where I said he was best player on the pitch.

Yes I have, the player ratings hold no true view of a players ability. As Bobinho highlighted players like Brownhill will get a rating of a 7 for running around a lot without producing anything.
Collins was anything but poor. You were he outlier in that judgement once again. UTC class clown.

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Re: Ashley Westwood's passing - under the radar

Post by taio » Sun Nov 07, 2021 10:13 am

RVclaret wrote:
Sun Nov 07, 2021 10:10 am
No but unless I’m reading it wrong I’m not sure anyone is suggesting he doesn’t get into our team? Though if he can’t be assed turning up for United I’m not sure we’d get much from him :lol: . More than often overlooked qualities in players, including by yourself, can be teamwork, personality, hard work, positional awareness and consistency (to name a few).

Take Brownhill for example, someone you can’t stand playing for Burnley, have you seen the work in the local community he is doing - off his own back? These are the ‘extra’ qualities that Dyche looks for in his players and the reason he has built this culture at Burnley over 9 years with great success.

Yes ability on the pitch clearly matters too otherwise we couldn’t compete and that’s why recruitment has to be better (like this summers signings) to keep pushing the quality forward.
Exactly. But the point, even though it is simple, is far too sophisticated for those who can't see the broader picture.

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Re: Ashley Westwood's passing - under the radar

Post by TheFamilyCat » Sun Nov 07, 2021 10:15 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Sun Nov 07, 2021 10:08 am
100% relevant, we were playing against one of the worst teams the premier league has seen and they actually managed the better goal scoring chances.
How the team played as a whole is irrelevant. Collins was MOTM, you called him "Bambi on ice". Those are the facts.

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Re: Ashley Westwood's passing - under the radar

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Sun Nov 07, 2021 10:18 am

taio wrote:
Sun Nov 07, 2021 10:12 am
Collins was anything but poor. You were he outlier in that judgement once again. UTC class clown.
Class clown that is usually right.

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Re: Ashley Westwood's passing - under the radar

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Sun Nov 07, 2021 10:19 am

RVclaret wrote:
Sun Nov 07, 2021 10:10 am
No but unless I’m reading it wrong I’m not sure anyone is suggesting he doesn’t get into our team? Though if he can’t be assed turning up for United I’m not sure we’d get much from him :lol: . More than often overlooked qualities in players, including by yourself, can be teamwork, personality, hard work, positional awareness and consistency (to name a few).

Take Brownhill for example, someone you can’t stand playing for Burnley, have you seen the work in the local community he is doing - off his own back? These are the ‘extra’ qualities that Dyche looks for in his players and the reason he has built this culture at Burnley over 9 years with great success.

Yes ability on the pitch clearly matters too otherwise we couldn’t compete and that’s why recruitment has to be better (like this summers signings) to keep pushing the quality forward.
Yes it was highlighted on a thread the other day and Bobinho backed that view on this thread.

What Brownhill does of the pitch is fantastic but it equates to zero on the pitch.

Pogba would be incredible for Burnley I don’t even know how anyone can dispute that.

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Re: Ashley Westwood's passing - under the radar

Post by ksrclaret » Sun Nov 07, 2021 10:28 am

Here we go again.

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Re: Ashley Westwood's passing - under the radar

Post by taio » Sun Nov 07, 2021 10:30 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Sun Nov 07, 2021 10:19 am
Yes it was highlighted on a thread the other day and Bobinho backed that view on this thread.

What Brownhill does of the pitch is fantastic but it equates to zero on the pitch.

Pogba would be incredible for Burnley I don’t even know how anyone can dispute that.
You are absolute obsessed with your repetitive and moronic view of Brownhill. Give it a rest.

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Re: Ashley Westwood's passing - under the radar

Post by Culmclaret » Sun Nov 07, 2021 12:18 pm

Looks like he went over Chelsea’s radar

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Re: Ashley Westwood's passing - under the radar

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Re: Ashley Westwood's passing - under the radar

Post by Tall Paul » Sun Nov 07, 2021 12:46 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Sun Nov 07, 2021 9:58 am
In arguably our worst performance under Dyche. Not exactly anything to brag about
Worst performance under Dyche :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Ashley Westwood's passing - under the radar

Post by houseboy » Sun Nov 07, 2021 11:05 pm

bobinho wrote:
Sat Nov 06, 2021 10:01 am
Said it many times, we play a long pass, it’s an ugly long ball. Liverpool or city play the long pass, it’s a beautiful piece of skill and vision worthy of Hoddle or Beckham.

And Westwood doesn’t go unnoticed, at least not by us lot that see his current worth to the team.
I have been saying this too. City/Arsenal/Etc play long, insightful forward passes. We play the long ball game. The description of the pass depends on who is playing it it seems.

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Re: Ashley Westwood's passing - under the radar

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Mon Nov 08, 2021 8:12 am

taio wrote:
Sun Nov 07, 2021 10:12 am
Collins was anything but poor. You were he outlier in that judgement once again. UTC class clown.
Think it is fair to say the class clown has proven consistently he knows very little about most things in life.


"Good player, probably will go down as on par with someone like Torres."
"Decent career won some titles but never really got best of class."

Above his is verdict of Lewandowski

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